Legend of Korra: "We're Putting the Band Back Together"

Nikolaz72

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The Earth Kingdom is pretty much the size of the other nations combined, granted. But the Republic City is still a small territory compared to the Earth Kingdom. And it's still far more wealthy than the rest of the Earth Kingdom. And according to Kuvira it's still a de-jure part of the Earth Kingdom.

Point stands



United Republic of Nations territory is around the size of the Ba-sing-se. (The map is the map where they discuss the locations of possible airbenders in the Earth Kingdom in season 3)

Kuvira obviously wants the territory it holds returned to the Earth Kingdom Empire.
 

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My thought at the end of the episode... "there's not going to be a lot for Korra to do after Toph kills Kuvira for messing up her swamp."
 

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NinjaDeathSlap said:
Wu needs to actually develop as a character pretty soon, otherwise the good guys facing off against Kuvira are going to be undercut by the fact that, no matter how ruthless and cruel she is, they are essentially planning to replace her with a foppish puppet who couldn't give two shits about any of the actual responsibilities of leadership. Sure, he might not be marching people off to concentration camps, but it's hard to argue that he's what the Earth Kingdom really needs right now.
Given how the writing is with this show, I doubt he will actually develop at all, very few of the other more important characters have grown. He will likely be handed the throne, and everyone will agree because "Yeah well, he's a useless tit, but at least he's not a megalomaniac tyrant. He' can't be worse than her, so we'll tolerate his stupidity"

Also, Korrasami? Can we not? Please? They work as friends, not to mention that neither of them have ever displayed any tendency of that sort in any other context. Is this a nod to non-straight fans of the show, or is it just juvenile innuendo by male writers that two girls can't be best friends without getting curious about each-other's genitals?[/quote]

I'd like to think it's the former, but with the writing staff, I'm going to bet my money on the latter.
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Furbyz said:
Yeah, that seems like a very real possibility. I don't think they'll go with, "And then Toph stops the entire Earth Empire single-handedly because she's Toph fucking Bei Fong, son!" as the end of the series, despite how much I personally would watch the hell out of that.
Well, considering that they ended Season 3 with everyone except Korra saving the day, they've already set a precedent for someone else being the hero. So I could totally see them letting Toph save the Earth Kingdom, while Korra is off being ragey and mopey. I'd prefer that ending to what I'm sure they're going to do.
 

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Saltyk said:
And there is the photo of her during her time in the circus with a man who's face, while partial obscured, does resemble Zaheer.
The creators have already confirmed that wasn't Zaheer. They were actually kind of upset that fans were looking so deeply into it because they went to the trouble of giving Zaheer cauliflower ear. It's a condition very experienced fighters sometimes get in a bout that causes the outer ear to become permanently swollen and deformed. The guy in the picture doesn't have that, but Zaheer does and the fact fans didn't notice that kind of disappointed them I think. I don't have proof that they were upset, but I kind of got the feeling from 1 of their statements. Actually, quite a few of their facial features have subtle but noticeable differences. This isn't just me saying this; this is stuff the creators have said.

I don't know if your theory that Su was in the Red Lotus hinged on the guy in the picture being Zaheer though, so maybe your theory still has merit.

Happyninja42 said:
NinjaDeathSlap said:
[Fixed your incorrect format for quoting here for the sake of letting NinjaDeathSlap also get the notification that he has been quoted]

Also, Korrasami? Can we not? Please? They work as friends, not to mention that neither of them have ever displayed any tendency of that sort in any other context. Is this a nod to non-straight fans of the show, or is it just juvenile innuendo by male writers that two girls can't be best friends without getting curious about each-other's genitals?
I'd like to think it's the former, but with the writing staff, I'm going to bet my money on the latter.
Korrasami is just a popular thing among the fandom in general, men, women, straight, non-straight. I see it everywhere and 2/3 of the people I personally know who watch this show want it to happen and both of them are straight.

It definitely isn't the latter. The writers and creators have already confirmed that Korrasami isn't a thing and isn't happening. Considering their history for ridiculous amounts of respect towards other cultures, work, and various other things it simply isn't in their nature. I don't think you should let your opinion of their quality of writing overshadow your judgment of the kind of people they are. There is plenty of criticism to be directed at the show, but taking your criticism into that kind of disrespect is just uncalled for. If I were working on the show, I'd take it as pretty rude honestly.

Happyninja42 said:
Well, considering that they ended Season 3 with everyone except Korra saving the day, they've already set a precedent for someone else being the hero. So I could totally see them letting Toph save the Earth Kingdom, while Korra is off being ragey and mopey. I'd prefer that ending to what I'm sure they're going to do.
You know, if Korra didn't grab Zaheer with her chain he would have escaped the airbending tornado/whirlwind/whatever. Don't get me wrong. I actually agree with you that everyone else did pretty much save the day, but it's not like Korra's actions have no merit. That's just my opinion though. I preferred that over the nonsense that was Book 2's ending anyway a.k.a. Jesus Jinora.
 

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jamail77 said:
Korrasami is just a popular thing among the fandom in general, men, women, straight, non-straight. I see it everywhere and 2/3 of the people I personally know who watch this show want it to happen and both of them are straight.

It definitely isn't the latter. The writers and creators have already confirmed that Korrasami isn't a thing and isn't happening. Considering their history for ridiculous amounts of respect towards other cultures, work, and various other things it simply isn't in their nature. I don't think you should let your opinion of their quality of writing overshadow your judgment of the kind of people they are. There is plenty of criticism to be directed at the show, but taking your criticism into that kind of disrespect is just uncalled for.
Clearly you don't know sarcasm when you see it.
jamail77 said:
If I were working on the show, I'd take it as pretty rude honestly.
Fine go ahead. You can think I'm rude all you want, and so can they if they wish, I still don't think their writing quality is very good at all. If you want my personal opinion, no I don't think the Korrasami *shudders at the Kimye example there* is anything at all, and is simply wish fullfillment on the part of the audience. I also don't care either way because whether or not Korra and Asami hook up is so far down the list of things this show does wrong that it's not even really on my radar. Even if they did go down that route, which I doubt they will, they would mess it up, like all the other relationships they've tried to force into the storyline, because reasons.

Happyninja42 said:
Well, considering that they ended Season 3 with everyone except Korra saving the day, they've already set a precedent for someone else being the hero. So I could totally see them letting Toph save the Earth Kingdom, while Korra is off being ragey and mopey. I'd prefer that ending to what I'm sure they're going to do.
jamail77 said:
You know, if Korra didn't grab Zaheer with her chain he would have escaped the airbending tornado/whirlwind/whatever. Don't get me wrong. I actually agree with you that everyone else did pretty much save the day, but it's not like Korra's actions have no merit. That's just my opinion though. I preferred that over the nonsense that was Book 2's ending anyway a.k.a. Jesus Jinora.
You can feel her actions had merit, I don't. She was reduced to a Hazardous Environment in that finale, nothing more. She was actually more of a hindrance to the day being saved than a help. She, once again, let her uncontrolled rage cloud everything else from the world, and further enforced in my mind that she is at best, a rabid dog that the people of the world can, if lucky, point at a particular threat in the hopes that she destroys it, with minimal collateral damage. I mean when she stopped to fight Kuvirra, what did she say about how she would be fine to fight her? "Don't worry, I've got months worth of pent up RAGE to use." Yeah, that's not the mindset of a balanced, sensible being. She runs on anger, like a Sith, and when it fails her, she tries to fill the whole with more rage and then misery. And frankly, after 4 seasons of this repeat routine, I'm pretty much tired of it. I don't expect anything all that exciting from Korra herself, and am banking on the rest of the cast keeping the show mildly entertaining to watch.
 

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Happyninja42 said:
Clearly you don't know sarcasm when you see it.
Yeah. That's exactly what I'm talking about when I say you're being rude. Ordinarily I wouldn't stoop this low, but since you feel the need to stoop so low I think it's fair game for me to say that there's a reason you currently have 3 bars on your forum health meter

Note: I didn't check your profile just to dig that up out of spite. I clicked on your profile by mistake when I meant to click on something else and noticed it.

Whenever I see you in a thread you tend to be angrily arguing or just upset in general and I don't mean just towards me, which just makes it all the more ironic that you don't like Korra because she "runs on anger". I've only seen you neutral or content maybe a few times. I don't say any of this to make you feel bad, but because I actually like some of the things I've seen you say on threads here and there and would love to get into a civil discussion, something this forum is intended for, even if that means respectful disagreement. I figure constructive criticism might help, but feel free to take it badly.

And, for your information, I do know when I see sarcasm and I didn't sense a hint of it in your post or if you were referring to NinjaDeathSlap, his neither. If you were being sincerely sarcastic then I will take back what I said.

Happyninja42 said:
Fine go ahead. You can think I'm rude all you want, and so can they if they wish, I still don't think their writing quality is very good at all.
That's not why I think you're rude. You are entitled to your opinion on the writing quality. I said you were rude because you were letting your opinion on the writing quality inform your opinion on the writers' morals as if those have anything to do with each other in this context. The creators have already confirmed that Korrasami is just fan wish fulfillment and nothing more, so they're not indulging in it. You claim you were being sarcastic, but like I said I didn't catch it.

Happyninja42 said:
I also don't care either way because whether or not Korra and Asami hook up is so far down the list of things this show does wrong that it's not even really on my radar. Even if they did go down that route, which I doubt they will, they would mess it up, like all the other relationships they've tried to force into the storyline, because reasons.
How can that be something this show does wrong when the creators keep telling fans it's not even a thing? Or, do you think it's a fake out and it actually is a thing? I do agree this show can't handle relationships if it's life depended on it, not that a life on Nick's website is much of a life to begin with.

Happyninja42 said:
I mean when she stopped to fight Kuvirra, what did she say about how she would be fine to fight her? "Don't worry, I've got months worth of pent up RAGE to use." Yeah, that's not the mindset of a balanced, sensible being.
How did you feel when Aang did that? Aang killed a buzzard wasp (most likely, never confirmed) in rage when it kidnapped Momo because he just lost Appa even though he got Momo back and thus didn't need to worry about the wasp anymore. What about when Aang hurt all those Earth Kingdom soldiers when their general threatened Katara's life just so he could force Aang into the Avatar State? I'm not saying you are wrong to dislike Korra for that, but what separates her rage moments from Aang's? Is it her overall personality comprising rage while Aang only had individual rage moments? Is it her reasoning? Is it how often she is angry? I'm genuinely curious.

As for her statement to Kuvira, I disagree. That is actually very healthy. Korra has been learning to control herself and be more wise and collected from my point of view and that's just not an easy thing for her because she is an assertive person at heart. After three years of being able to do literally almost nothing (she couldn't even dress herself) and having to deal with crises caused by inept governments I'd have some pent up rage too. Remember that Korra originally wanted to solve the Kuvira problem with diplomacy claiming that Kuvira earned that much for saving her dad and being so similar to how Korra used to be. Seeing as how that plan failed, I think letting pent up rage out is better than letting it bottle up and explode.

Korra is definitely a more unstable person than someone with a clean bill of mental health, but that still makes her more stable than half the people I know. Does that excuse it? No, but it is understandable. AGAIN THAT IS JUST MY OPINION. FEEL FREE TO DISAGREE.

Happyninja42 said:
I don't expect anything all that exciting from Korra herself, and am banking on the rest of the cast keeping the show mildly entertaining to watch.
I suggest you stop watching then. The creators have stated that this Book is intended to show a more calm, collected Korra confronting a former version of her past self. In other words, Kuvira is actually the ragey, mopey person. The fact you think Korra is the same as she has always been means Book 4 has failed you in this regard. It is one of the fundamental pillars of this season: The fact it's so painful for you to endure only means it's going to get worse as the creators are promising more of this as we reach the finale. And, that means more ragey, mopey Korra because, like I said, Book 4 has failed you in its intentions.

If the rest of the cast is really enough for you then continue, but if the entertainment value of them is borderline then you're most likely going to start going in the negative soon. Just some friendly advice. Honest. No sarcasm intended.
 

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And the following episode "Rememberances" (I have to write it here because I just can't--I refuse to hold it in) is totally cringe-worthy from beginning to end. It made my skin crawl. I had to force myself to watch. I want my 22 minutes back. The only slightly interesting moment is David Lucas playing a guy who, no doubt intentionally, is the spitting image of Spike Spiegel. But that veiled reference is wasted and lost like a gem sinking into a vat at a waste treatment plant. I won't say any details, but even thinking about the episode brings up dread, revulsion and embarrassment. I must endeavor to wipe it from my mind. Time to get drunk. Maybe I'll fall asleep outside and freeze to death. But I'm rarely that lucky.
 

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gridsleep said:
And the following episode "Rememberances" (I have to write it here because I just can't--I refuse to hold it in) is totally cringe-worthy from beginning to end. It made my skin crawl. I had to force myself to watch. I want my 22 minutes back. The only slightly interesting moment is David Lucas playing a guy who, no doubt intentionally, is the spitting image of Spike Spiegel. But that veiled reference is wasted and lost like a gem sinking into a vat at a waste treatment plant. I won't say any details, but even thinking about the episode brings up dread, revulsion and embarrassment. I must endeavor to wipe it from my mind. Time to get drunk. Maybe I'll fall asleep outside and freeze to death. But I'm rarely that lucky.
Oh come on, it was cute.