Lesbian Marriage Too Tough For Batwoman, Authors Leave

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Rex Fallout

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Towels said:
Hey guys, I would really like to know how a wedding story can actually be made interesting.

Thus far I've heard a reasonable arguement on DC's behalf saying that a marriage could write a character into a corner.

On the other hand, I've heard arguments against this decision are
Homophobia accusations,
DC has a history of avoiding marriage (to pander to sex crazed boys)

No, Seriously. Justify to me a wedding story without the handicap of waving minority status flags.
Character Growth.
 

Towels

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Rex Fallout said:
Towels said:
Hey guys, I would really like to know how a wedding story can actually be made interesting.

Thus far I've heard a reasonable arguement on DC's behalf saying that a marriage could write a character into a corner.

On the other hand, I've heard arguments against this decision are
Homophobia accusations,
DC has a history of avoiding marriage (to pander to sex crazed boys)

No, Seriously. Justify to me a wedding story without the handicap of waving minority status flags.
Character Growth.
Weddings are pretty boring character growth events, if you ask me. Rife with cliche after cliche. But I see that's just my opinion.

I seriously want to be won over on this. I'm a bitter person who needs to see the value of a True Love Forever Wedding in comic books.
 

K12

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Towels said:
Hey guys, I would really like to know how a wedding story can actually be made interesting.

Thus far I've heard a reasonable arguement on DC's behalf saying that a marriage could write a character into a corner.

On the other hand, I've heard arguments against this decision are
Homophobia accusations,
DC has a history of avoiding marriage (to pander to sex crazed boys)

No, Seriously. Justify to me a wedding story without the handicap of waving minority status flags.
Surely it doesn't work that way round. Wouldn't you have to justify a "no weddings" general rule rather than justify how a character getting married can add to a story.

I agree than the marriages which serve purely to be a future tear-jerker when the hero's partner gets horribly murdered is annoying but an "absolutely no weddings" rule is a really dumb rule.

Criticise bad story lines but arbitrary rules lie this because of bad handling of previous story lines is not the way to make good fiction.
 

K12

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Spot1990 said:
K12 said:
Spot1990 said:
K12 said:
I assume that you will reverse your position when one of the other straight DC characters get married by the way?
No because that wouldn't prove that the reason Batwoman doesn't get married is because she's a lesbian. Wedon't know what DC has planned for the character.

Oh and the fact that even the writers have said it's the marriage thing DC have a problem with, not that it's a gay marriage should have been a hint. But then there's no time for five seconds of research when there's outrage to be had now is there? iterally the only thing in this entire story that points to homophobia is the headline of this article which is grossly sensationalist and should be changed.
I'm not going to repeat what I said in my last comment. I think the idea that a gay marriage would get quashed for homophobic reasons is far from being a big leap. A skimming of the article and subject suggest homophobia but in this case there is another dumb reason for it. Fine, I said I was wrong and the article was misleading, thank you for correcting me.

This definitely hasn't made me want to get into comic books though. I'm already put off by the complete lack of evolution and the prevailing status quo (plus random slate cleaning and retconning) but if they have such stupid arbitrary rules like "no weddings" then that's just daft.
I think I see the problem. You're underestimating how stupid DC are. It's actually kind of impressive. It's like that one kid you went to school with. You want to stop him but honestly there's a part of you that wants to see how much paste he can actually eat. DC are the company that turned their one unnatractive major female character into a size 0 model in the reboot. Seriously their no marriage rule is so strong they'd forego lesbians to sell comics to teenagers who can't get around the parental blocks on the internet in favour of just not marrying people. I mean this is the same company that wants pictures of Harley Quinn killing herself in the nude.
I'm even starting to get sick of Batman (and how much people like his broody rich guy thing) and that's the only DC stuff that I really enjoyed...

All in all not a fan
 

clayschuldt

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The more popular the comic book character the less likely the editor will allow them to marry, cause we all know, once you marry all drama stops.
 

Vegosiux

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Isn't DC against marriage, period? Like, all of it? I mean this seems a bit like if aliens invaded and started killing everyone and get called racists because they happen to kill black people...along with everyone else.


Still, a shitty move tho. Artistic freedom of expression and all, shouldn't have messed with it.
 

Rex Fallout

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Towels said:
Rex Fallout said:
Towels said:
Hey guys, I would really like to know how a wedding story can actually be made interesting.

Thus far I've heard a reasonable arguement on DC's behalf saying that a marriage could write a character into a corner.

On the other hand, I've heard arguments against this decision are
Homophobia accusations,
DC has a history of avoiding marriage (to pander to sex crazed boys)

No, Seriously. Justify to me a wedding story without the handicap of waving minority status flags.
Character Growth.
Weddings are pretty boring character growth events, if you ask me. Rife with cliche after cliche. But I see that's just my opinion.

I seriously want to be won over on this. I'm a bitter person who needs to see the value of a True Love Forever Wedding in comic books.
It isn't so much the wedding itself as what comes after. It allows for far larger growth. Are they going to have children? What kind of mother/father are they going to be? Are they going to start aging (comics) is so,will their son/daughter replace them? How will they raise their children, etc.
 

Gone Rampant

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Legion said:
Zhukov said:
Batwoman is into chicks?

I did not know this.

Then again, I didn't really know there was a Batwoman. I thought she got paralyzed... or something? Or is this one of them alternate universe things?

Eh, comics.
I am not into comics either but my understanding is that there is Batwoman, who is the character being referred to, and several Batgirls.

I know one of the Batgirls is the police commissioners daughters from playing the Arkham games (she was shot and paralysed, hence the wheelchair) and I know of one other called Cassandra Cain, but beyond that I am clueless.
Legion, you're thinking of Batgirl, Barbara Gordon. She was shot by Joker in a comic called The Killing Joke, but Gail Simone brought her back (DC also have a thing for not allowing other Batgirls to come back since the 2000s or so) and had her healed up by "Technology not available to the common person".

OT: Wow. Just... wow DC. Round of applause for you there, you fucking ingrates.
 

Aramis Night

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Rex Fallout said:
Towels said:
Hey guys, I would really like to know how a wedding story can actually be made interesting.

Thus far I've heard a reasonable arguement on DC's behalf saying that a marriage could write a character into a corner.

On the other hand, I've heard arguments against this decision are
Homophobia accusations,
DC has a history of avoiding marriage (to pander to sex crazed boys)

No, Seriously. Justify to me a wedding story without the handicap of waving minority status flags.
Character Growth.
You're mistaking marriage for divorce. Though I might be interested in picking up a Batwoman comic about lesbian divoce. That might actually be amusing. A judge having to decide who to screw over out of 2 women.

Also these behind the craft advertising panels really need to go. Its not even a good demographic for there product. Not that its good at showing what said product is.
 

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Everyone seems to think that this is about paranoia of starting a controversy, but is it so far fetched to think that maybe the authors just genuinely don't feel that the content is fitting for the story and the characters they're developing?
 

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I don't know if this was because DC is homophobic (I doubt it - if they were, would they have made her a lesbian in the first place?) or a general anti-wedding thing... but either way, this looks REALLY bad for DC. Their rep is going to take another beating due to this and the Harley Quinn art contest clusterfuck