Let's get indignant!

Recommended Videos

The Wooster

King Snap
Jul 15, 2008
15,305
0
0
I generally try and stay away from commenting on other people's/site's articles. It's a slippery slope you see. What starts off as a humorous poke or civil disagreement quickly degenerates into hissy fits and articles with titles like 'NEWS JUST IN: <Insert Hack's name here> is a douchebag', then it's pink slips all round and no one is happy. Occasionally however someone says something so inherently... wrong, I just have to buckle up, say goodbye to the wife and kids, grab my keyboard and defend the Internet from the ravaging hordes of people with opinions that differ from mine.

The most important part of Remembrance Day is not, as previously believed, stopping for a moment and reflecting on the impact WW2 and the men who died during it had on your life, but is instead the act of finding anyone or anything that isn't showing enough respect, be it someone not wearing a poppy or a baby who won't stay quiet during the two minute silence (He's at least three months old. He should know better) and then you disapprove of them like a ************. That's correct, our grandfathers and great grandfathers died like dogs in some shit hole in the middle of France so we could enjoy some good old fashioned righteous indignation.

Kotaku's little piece of righteous indignation comes in the form of an extended whine about the new trailer for Call of Duty: World at War [http://kotaku.com/5080808/where-was-the-editor-on-this-one](video after the link)


"This is a terrible trailer. We've all been over the morality discussion of World War II games, or any game that simulates an actual war in which real people we know fought. For this genre, that hard rock accompaniment to Call of Duty: World at War's launch trailer is atrocious, and I certainly hope it's not going out on television (where the trailer is much better). "NO RULES?" Is this a UFC montage? "NO FEAR?" What, we're reducing World War II to a rear-window sticker in a white trash lowrider? Where's Calvin pissing on Japan?"
The main thrust of the article appears to be that rock music and World War 2 don't exactly go together. Apparently scenes of horrific violence are made worse by terrible heavy metal. He also claims the game's tag lines are inappropriate. Personally I think any WW2 game that has a trailer that doesn't feature the word 'honour' at least once deserves some kind of medal.

He goes on to say.

Sixty years later, there are men who still speak viscerally of the terror and confusion they felt, caught up in the "ONLY CHAOS" of total war. You know when you're talking to one, because they still show the signs of a man changed forever. To seek an understanding of their courage by playing a very accurate video game, that's something I could reasonably explain to them. But I'd be ashamed to watch this trailer in their presence. And no, it is not the same as the soldiers in Iraq who listened to "Let the Bodies Hit the Floor" when they went off on patrol. If you need me to explain why, you're just throwing out argumentative garbage."
Just in case the bullshit doesn't literally leap from the screen and attack your eyes I've added a little highlight there. Seriously. If you wanted to 'learn about their courage' you wouldn't be playing a game where death is treated as a minor inconvenience and you're rewarded for killing other human beings, you'd be watching the discovery channel or helping out a veteran at an old folks home. We play video games because they're fun, and because we enjoy them. The fact of the matter is the second we started taking a situation where actual people lived, killed and died and turned it into a form of digital entertainment we lost any moral high ground we ever might have had. No game can show us the horrific realities of warfare and, let's honest here, no game has ever tried. The idea that a product that takes the most traumatic event in human history and turns it into a form of entertainment can be done tastefully providing you use a trite soundtrack and throw in the word 'honour' every 15 seconds is fucking ludicrous.

Oh and..

 

GenHellspawn

New member
Jan 1, 2008
1,841
0
0
What the hell are you on about? I learned a lot about how it feels to be in a war by playing Woflenstein 3d. How else would we have known about the Allies struggle to defeat Robot Hitler?
 

Maet

The Altoid Duke
Jul 31, 2008
1,247
0
0
Isn't this all a little besides the point since Remembrance Day is about the end of the first World War and not the second? I'm all for killing giant robot Hitlers, but I think the point has been thoroughly missed on either side of the argument.
 

raemiel

New member
Jun 8, 2008
144
0
0
That picture is awesome!!! It embodies all that was righteous in early FPSs: a muscly man with a huge gun laying into some nazis. Additionally has anyone noticed that the nazi he is kicking was firing (and it magically still is) an M16?

Concerning the aforementioned rant on rememberance day and all that, you're completely right. Over in Australia ANZAC day is filled with nationalistic bile and there's always a bunch of apparently 'moving' pictures of Australians who have gone to Gallipoli for the dawn service. What those pictures don't show is that these thousands of Australians use the event to get incredibly drunk and then violently filled with pride because a grandfather they never knew died there. I can't remember exactly but I think three times the number of Turks died in the campaign then Australians. Nationalism has been growing stronger and stronger in Australia and its terrible.

I don't play WWII themed games to learn about the courage of the soldiers. That doesn't mean that any game or gamer is an affront to good sensibilities, it means that we recognise that games are not depictions of reality unless they were created with that purpose and hence we can separate the horrors of war from our enjoyment.
 

The Wooster

King Snap
Jul 15, 2008
15,305
0
0
Maet said:
Isn't this all a little besides the point since Remembrance Day is about the end of the first World War and not the second? I'm all for killing giant robot Hitlers, but I think the point has been thoroughly missed on either side of the argument.
]

Technically it's about every war in which lives were lost specifically 'since' the first world war.

I personally reflect more on the second world war than the first. The first still strikes me as very dubious overall.
 

Maet

The Altoid Duke
Jul 31, 2008
1,247
0
0
Decoy Doctorpus said:
Technically it's about every war in which lives were lost specifically 'since' the first world war.

I personally reflect more on the second world war than the first. The first still strikes me as very dubious overall.
Being Canadian, I should probably reflect more on the first world war since that's when Canada became a 'serious country.' But yeah, it's more of a nitpick than anything else.
 

Samurai Goomba

New member
Oct 7, 2008
3,679
0
0
I play games to have fun. I watch movies like "Saving Private Ryan" or "Enemy at the Gates" to be entertained by a slightly more realistic WW2 situation.

Besides, as the other posters said, when you make a game about a real-world issue, problem or major conflict, you just automatically cheapen said thing.

If anything, the race for "realistic" video games is just going to end up ticking off a lot of politically-correct, anti-gaming jerks.

Long live Duke Nukem!

Oh, and griping about a trailer of a game is nothing new, although it's still stupid. Resident Evil 5, anyone?
 

TsunamiWombat

New member
Sep 6, 2008
5,870
0
0
Clearly it's Robot Hitler working against our never ending "Call of Duty" Anti-Nazi training program with propoganda from this "Kotaku".

When World War 3 rolls around, millions of the worlds youth will have drilled in headshotting Nazi's until it's mindless precision. We'll be ready this time Robot Hitler, oh yes.
 

Knight Templar

Moved on
Dec 29, 2007
3,848
0
0
Decoy Doctorpus said:
Maet said:
Isn't this all a little besides the point since Remembrance Day is about the end of the first World War and not the second? I'm all for killing giant robot Hitlers, but I think the point has been thoroughly missed on either side of the argument.
]

Technically it's about every war in which lives were lost specifically 'since' the first world war.
I never got why that was. Did people not die before 1914, or do we just not care?
 

Dommyboy

New member
Jul 20, 2008
2,439
0
0
If you pause at 33 seconds you can clearly see Robot Hitler in the back ground doing his sprite laugh.
 

The Wooster

King Snap
Jul 15, 2008
15,305
0
0
Knight Templar said:
Decoy Doctorpus said:
Maet said:
Isn't this all a little besides the point since Remembrance Day is about the end of the first World War and not the second? I'm all for killing giant robot Hitlers, but I think the point has been thoroughly missed on either side of the argument.
]

Technically it's about every war in which lives were lost specifically 'since' the first world war.
I never got why that was. Did people not die before 1914, or do we just not care?
After a hundred years it officially becomes 'history' and we don't need to give a fuck any more.

For example

Nazi Empire: Evil military psychos known for gassing people. Very bad.

Roman Empire: Evil military psychos known for feeding people to lions. Very cool.
 

Zac_Dai

New member
Oct 21, 2008
1,092
0
0
Decoy Doctorpus said:
Technically it's about every war in which lives were lost specifically 'since' the first world war.

I personally reflect more on the second world war than the first. The first still strikes me as very dubious overall.
Which is why I reflect more on WWI it was pretty fucking pointless waste of human life, whereas WW2 had a point. So yeh WWI is the greater tragedy for me. Awesome game cover btw.

raemiel said:
Concerning the aforementioned rant on rememberance day and all that, you're completely right. Over in Australia ANZAC day is filled with nationalistic bile and there's always a bunch of apparently 'moving' pictures of Australians who have gone to Gallipoli for the dawn service. What those pictures don't show is that these thousands of Australians use the event to get incredibly drunk and then violently filled with pride because a grandfather they never knew died there. I can't remember exactly but I think three times the number of Turks died in the campaign then Australians. Nationalism has been growing stronger and stronger in Australia and its terrible.
See I always felt Aussies held remembrance day the same way this Canadian guy does.

Maet said:
Being Canadian, I should probably reflect more on the first world war since that's when Canada became a 'serious country.' But yeah, it's more of a nitpick than anything else.
I was taught in school that both these countries (especially Australia) cemented there national identities due to WWI.

But then I have no idea never if this is how Canadians and Aussies actually view it.
 

Amnestic

High Priest of Haruhi
Aug 22, 2008
8,946
0
0
Decoy Doctorpus said:
Knight Templar said:
Decoy Doctorpus said:
Maet said:
Isn't this all a little besides the point since Remembrance Day is about the end of the first World War and not the second? I'm all for killing giant robot Hitlers, but I think the point has been thoroughly missed on either side of the argument.
]

Technically it's about every war in which lives were lost specifically 'since' the first world war.
I never got why that was. Did people not die before 1914, or do we just not care?
After a hundred years it officially becomes 'history' and we don't need to give a fuck any more.

For example

Nazi Empire: Evil military psychos known for gassing people. Very bad.

Roman Empire: Evil military psychos known for feeding people to lions. Very cool.
So, wait, in 40-odd years we won't have to care about WW2 anymore?

Awesome.
 

The Wooster

King Snap
Jul 15, 2008
15,305
0
0
Amnestic said:
Decoy Doctorpus said:
Knight Templar said:
Decoy Doctorpus said:
Maet said:
Isn't this all a little besides the point since Remembrance Day is about the end of the first World War and not the second? I'm all for killing giant robot Hitlers, but I think the point has been thoroughly missed on either side of the argument.
]

Technically it's about every war in which lives were lost specifically 'since' the first world war.
I never got why that was. Did people not die before 1914, or do we just not care?
After a hundred years it officially becomes 'history' and we don't need to give a fuck any more.

For example

Nazi Empire: Evil military psychos known for gassing people. Very bad.

Roman Empire: Evil military psychos known for feeding people to lions. Very cool.
So, wait, in 40-odd years we won't have to care about WW2 anymore?

Awesome.
No. In 40 years time it'll be perfectly acceptable to collect 'nazi relics' and dress up as a nazi stormtrooper at kid's birthday parties.
 

Phoenix Arrow

New member
Sep 3, 2008
1,377
0
0
Richard Groovy Pants said:
Wow, that's pretty messed up. And I even had a little respect for Kotaku.
But that's all gone now.
The person that wrote that article should straight out his/hers ideas.

Seriously what is the big deal?
Newsflash children, it's a game. It's supposed to be fun. It's supposed to entertain.
And if you're claiming that war games are actually accurate then please just do everyone a favor and go play by the nearest nuclear reactor...
You've just totally missed the point I fear. It's not the accuracy of the game he has a problem with, but rather how disrespectful it is to the millions of people who put their lives on the line trying to make the world a better place, which it is.
 

raemiel

New member
Jun 8, 2008
144
0
0
Zac_Dai said:
raemiel said:
Concerning the aforementioned rant on rememberance day and all that, you're completely right. Over in Australia ANZAC day is filled with nationalistic bile and there's always a bunch of apparently 'moving' pictures of Australians who have gone to Gallipoli for the dawn service. What those pictures don't show is that these thousands of Australians use the event to get incredibly drunk and then violently filled with pride because a grandfather they never knew died there. I can't remember exactly but I think three times the number of Turks died in the campaign then Australians. Nationalism has been growing stronger and stronger in Australia and its terrible.
See I always felt Aussies held remembrance day the same way this Canadian guy does.

Maet said:
Being Canadian, I should probably reflect more on the first world war since that's when Canada became a 'serious country.' But yeah, it's more of a nitpick than anything else.
I was taught in school that both these countries (especially Australia) cemented there national identities due to WWI.

But then I have no idea never if this is how Canadians and Aussies actually view it.
Yeah ANZAC day is the main day in Australia for respecting all soldiers but it originally came from rememberance of the ANZACS (surprisingly). It was about the Dardenells campaign of WWI. Pretty much it was a major point in Australian identity formation as we entered the war because Britian did (pretty much the words of our Prime Minister) although we already were independent. Because of the massive loss of life, which was in no small part to the British command, Australians began to question why they should be unquestionably following their motherland.

Also, the concept of the Aussie larakin emerged from the ANZACs in comparison to their British soldier counterparts. You should watch Gallipoli, really good film which sums it up pretty well (has a very young Mel Gibson in it too).

As I said though, it's now an excuse to get drunk and nationalistic against those who are 'un-Australian'.
 

TsunamiWombat

New member
Sep 6, 2008
5,870
0
0
Richard Groovy Pants said:
Decoy Doctorpus said:
Amnestic said:
Decoy Doctorpus said:
Knight Templar said:
Decoy Doctorpus said:
Maet said:
Isn't this all a little besides the point since Remembrance Day is about the end of the first World War and not the second? I'm all for killing giant robot Hitlers, but I think the point has been thoroughly missed on either side of the argument.
]

Technically it's about every war in which lives were lost specifically 'since' the first world war.
I never got why that was. Did people not die before 1914, or do we just not care?
After a hundred years it officially becomes 'history' and we don't need to give a fuck any more.

For example

Nazi Empire: Evil military psychos known for gassing people. Very bad.

Roman Empire: Evil military psychos known for feeding people to lions. Very cool.
So, wait, in 40-odd years we won't have to care about WW2 anymore?

Awesome.
No. In 40 years time it'll be perfectly acceptable to collect 'nazi relics' and dress up as a nazi stormtrooper at kid's birthday parties.
You mean it isn't acceptable already?

Aww shit....
No, Prince Charles or whatever his name is got in deep doo doo over in Britain for goind to a costume party as a Nazi.

If you really wanna Cosplay Nazi's without getting in trouble. Do some Warhammer 40k Cosplay. Imperial Commisar anyone?