Let's Play: Knights of the Old Republic II: Update 23: The Dark Side of the Force
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If I were Bob, I wouldn't blow up Peragus. I would feel so guilty for destroying such an important gas station. Destroying it pretty much kills Telos, so yeah.
[HEADING=2]Update 6: Atton Rand: Neck Snapper for Hire[/HEADING]
Sorry for the lateness on this one, the screenshots came out all dark, and when I went back and redid the play, they were the same. Sorry for the inconvenience, I'll look into trying to get it fixed for next time.
Sorry for the lateness on this one, the screenshots came out all dark, and when I went back and redid the play, they were the same. Sorry for the inconvenience, I'll look into trying to get it fixed for next time.
Last time, we fought off an assassin and were brought by the incompetent TSF to our new digs, an apartment we are currently confined to.
Bob: "I feel so much safer."
Bob: "Don't worry, Atton. My fists of fury will make mincemeat out of any would-be Assassins. So, how long are we going to be staying here?"
Bob: "What's the hurry, Atton?"
Bob: "What do you think, Kreia?"
And so, we rest, which, according to this game, is meditating in an uncomfortable-looking position on cold steel floor.
However, before we can get to sleep, we are rudely interrupted.
Bob: "What? What is it?"
Bob: "What does he want?"
Bob: "Great. All right, I left my Pazzak deck on the Ebon Hawk, so I've got nothing better to do. Send him in."
Bob: "What does Chodo want with me?"
Bob: "No, but I have a feeling you're about to tell me."
Yeah, if you're taking plants and animals from other worlds to colonize this one, that isn't going to work. There is a very good reason why my Zoo planet on Spore became extinct in a couple of hours. But then again, this is Star Wars, where "Space Magic" is a completely legit excuse for stuff like this.
Bob: "Again, no."
Because when I think ecologists, I think of Hammerhead Sharks with legs.
As those of you who played K1 or read the last Let's Play will know, Telos was blown to all hell by the Sith, an act that basically triggered the Jedi Civil War. The last game seemed to indicate that Saul Karath was the one who did it, but as we'll see, the truth is a little murkier than that...
Onderon was heavily featured in the Tales of the Jedi comics. I'll discuss it in detail later on.
Bob: "How?"
Bob: "Why the hell would Czerka do that? For the Evulz?"
Bob: "That's not what I asked. I can understand why they would want the restoration contracts, because then they could own the planet, but why would they let them fall into disrepair?"
"How did they take the Restoration Zones?"
Moza: "Our resemblance to Hammerhead Sharks is purely coincidental."
Bob: "So, what do you want me to do?"
Bob: "Heal me?"
Bob: "I'll think about it. Now, get out. I need my beauty sleep."
Atton: "I wouldn't count on it."
And so, we rest, but soon...
Bob: "SON OF A *****!"
Bob: "Who the hell is this? If I find you, you little punk, I'm going to snap your neck in two."
Bob: "Kreia, do Robots have necks?"
Kreia: "Not as such, no."
Bob: "Shit."
Bob: "What does she want?"
Bob: "Alright."
Bob: "Why are you calling me, strange woman with square tattoos?"
Bob: "I don't recall him threatening me."
Bob: "No, I didn't see anything like that."
Bob: "I am a very influential person. I have high influence scores with both my companions."
"How are Ithorians in the way of things?"
If this was Kotor 1, this is how this would have been presented.
Ithorians: "We're saints, and if you side with us, you'll save Telos if you side with us"
Czerka: "We're completely evil bastards who eat babies, you'll fuck over Telos if you side with us"
But that isn't how it's presented. Sure, Czerka is obviously up to illicit activities, and there is a clear Light/Dark choice. But the right choice is a little more vague than that. I'll talk about this more later on.
Bob: "So, what kind of work are we talking about?"
Bob: "I'll come by when I can."
We do indeed hit the hay, and we're actually successful. While Bob is asleep, Atton and Kreia start gossiping.
Atton: "Ooh, well. The snark is strong with this one, it seems. You must listen to the force, Atton, for it will tell you that you are a fool. Ooooh!"
Kreia: "...what are you doing?"
Atton: "Ooh...random gibberish...something about conflict...ooh..."
Kreia: "Stop that."
Atton: "Ooh...you must believe in the heart of the cards, Bob...ooh..."
Atton: "I know what you mean. The only way to get stronger in this game is to help random assholes and murdering people."
A few hours later, Dol Grenn and his TSF buddies bare into the room.
Bob: "Why is the Republic sending it's own ship?"
Bob: "How long will I have to stay?"
Bob: "Is the Ebon Hawk still impounded?"
Bob: "What about T3-M4?"
Bob: "You know that from experience?"
Bob: "What do you think, Kreia?"
Bob: "Stay or leave, we need a ship. Let's go find the Ebon Hawk."
And so, we finally step out to explore Telos.
We've got a lot to see and do on this world, but I want to start off by showing you one of the weirdest scenes on Telos. While exploring the other apartments on Telos, going into other people's houses and taking their stuff, y'know, standard RPG stuff, we are accosted by this gentleman.
Bob: "Just looking around."
Bob: "Sorry, I just figured...seeing as I was the hero of this game..."
Bob: "Well, when you put it that way..."
Bob: "Hey! I'm Bob Bindo, ************! I don't have to take that shit from you!"
Bob: "...oh, it's on now. Put 'em up."
And so, we beat the crap out of him. Everything goes swimmingly, until...
Bob: "ATTON! What the fuck? Did you just snap his neck?"
Bob: "You don't know what came over you? What the fuck! Are you telling me that we could be walking down the road, fine as dandy, and then you could just *snap* and fucking kill us all? Christ, Atton. You're nuts."
Atton: "I...I..."
Kreia: "You are implicit in this as well, Exile. If you kept your fury and kleptomania in check, this would not have happened."
Bob: "And what would you have done?"
This is Kreia calling out the nature of "evil" choices in so many games. 9 times out of 10, they boil down to being an amoral psychopath who eats babies. Evil can be so much more than that. She's basically saying that you don't have to the Joker if you want to be evil: you can be Lex Luthor too, and games that don't have the option to choose your flavor of evil should go to their rooms and think about what they've done.
Bob: "Eh. I guess you're right. But, it's Atton's insanity that screwed us over big time."
And, weirdest of all, we actually get influence with Atton for that. That's right, murdering some random sap gives us Influence with the Han Solo Wannabe. That's...something.
We set off on our quest to find the Ebon Hawk and our gear, leaving the Apartment Module for Entertainment Module 081.
We make our way towards the TSF HQ, but we come across this little scene on the way.
Bob: "What's going on here?"
Bob: "Is this true? What's your side to this?"
Bob: "No. I think you should leave now."
Bob: "You asked for it."
Bob: "Hey, Atton?"
Atton: "Y-yes?"
Bob: "You have my permission to snap these people's necks. This is the kind of situation where it is allowed."
Atton: "O-Ok..."
Bob: "Kreia! Now is not the time for dancing!"
"Oh no! I'm being absorbed into the building! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo..."
Bob: "Why are they allowed to do this?"
Bob: "In that case, you should leave, in case their friends come looking for them."
Bob: "I don't need it. Get outta here."
Bob: "There. I think that karmically balances out Atton murdering that guy."
Kreia: "One of these days, there's going to be a problem that's not going to be able to be solved by killing."
Atton: "Don't be ridiculous, Kreia."
We continue towards the TSF base, no further distractions impeding our progress.
Bob: "I feel so much safer."
Bob: "Don't worry, Atton. My fists of fury will make mincemeat out of any would-be Assassins. So, how long are we going to be staying here?"
Bob: "What's the hurry, Atton?"
Bob: "What do you think, Kreia?"
And so, we rest, which, according to this game, is meditating in an uncomfortable-looking position on cold steel floor.
However, before we can get to sleep, we are rudely interrupted.
Bob: "What? What is it?"
Bob: "What does he want?"
Bob: "Great. All right, I left my Pazzak deck on the Ebon Hawk, so I've got nothing better to do. Send him in."
Bob: "What does Chodo want with me?"
Bob: "No, but I have a feeling you're about to tell me."
Yeah, if you're taking plants and animals from other worlds to colonize this one, that isn't going to work. There is a very good reason why my Zoo planet on Spore became extinct in a couple of hours. But then again, this is Star Wars, where "Space Magic" is a completely legit excuse for stuff like this.
Bob: "Again, no."
Because when I think ecologists, I think of Hammerhead Sharks with legs.
As those of you who played K1 or read the last Let's Play will know, Telos was blown to all hell by the Sith, an act that basically triggered the Jedi Civil War. The last game seemed to indicate that Saul Karath was the one who did it, but as we'll see, the truth is a little murkier than that...
Onderon was heavily featured in the Tales of the Jedi comics. I'll discuss it in detail later on.
Bob: "How?"
Bob: "Why the hell would Czerka do that? For the Evulz?"
Bob: "That's not what I asked. I can understand why they would want the restoration contracts, because then they could own the planet, but why would they let them fall into disrepair?"
"How did they take the Restoration Zones?"
Moza: "Our resemblance to Hammerhead Sharks is purely coincidental."
Bob: "So, what do you want me to do?"
Bob: "Heal me?"
Bob: "I'll think about it. Now, get out. I need my beauty sleep."
Atton: "I wouldn't count on it."
And so, we rest, but soon...
Bob: "SON OF A *****!"
Bob: "Who the hell is this? If I find you, you little punk, I'm going to snap your neck in two."
Bob: "Kreia, do Robots have necks?"
Kreia: "Not as such, no."
Bob: "Shit."
Bob: "What does she want?"
Bob: "Alright."
Bob: "Why are you calling me, strange woman with square tattoos?"
Bob: "I don't recall him threatening me."
Bob: "No, I didn't see anything like that."
Bob: "I am a very influential person. I have high influence scores with both my companions."
"How are Ithorians in the way of things?"
If this was Kotor 1, this is how this would have been presented.
Ithorians: "We're saints, and if you side with us, you'll save Telos if you side with us"
Czerka: "We're completely evil bastards who eat babies, you'll fuck over Telos if you side with us"
But that isn't how it's presented. Sure, Czerka is obviously up to illicit activities, and there is a clear Light/Dark choice. But the right choice is a little more vague than that. I'll talk about this more later on.
Bob: "So, what kind of work are we talking about?"
Bob: "I'll come by when I can."
We do indeed hit the hay, and we're actually successful. While Bob is asleep, Atton and Kreia start gossiping.
Atton: "Ooh, well. The snark is strong with this one, it seems. You must listen to the force, Atton, for it will tell you that you are a fool. Ooooh!"
Kreia: "...what are you doing?"
Atton: "Ooh...random gibberish...something about conflict...ooh..."
Kreia: "Stop that."
Atton: "Ooh...you must believe in the heart of the cards, Bob...ooh..."
Atton: "I know what you mean. The only way to get stronger in this game is to help random assholes and murdering people."
A few hours later, Dol Grenn and his TSF buddies bare into the room.
Bob: "Why is the Republic sending it's own ship?"
Bob: "How long will I have to stay?"
Bob: "Is the Ebon Hawk still impounded?"
Bob: "What about T3-M4?"
Bob: "You know that from experience?"
Bob: "What do you think, Kreia?"
Bob: "Stay or leave, we need a ship. Let's go find the Ebon Hawk."
And so, we finally step out to explore Telos.
We've got a lot to see and do on this world, but I want to start off by showing you one of the weirdest scenes on Telos. While exploring the other apartments on Telos, going into other people's houses and taking their stuff, y'know, standard RPG stuff, we are accosted by this gentleman.
Bob: "Just looking around."
Bob: "Sorry, I just figured...seeing as I was the hero of this game..."
Bob: "Well, when you put it that way..."
Bob: "Hey! I'm Bob Bindo, ************! I don't have to take that shit from you!"
Bob: "...oh, it's on now. Put 'em up."
And so, we beat the crap out of him. Everything goes swimmingly, until...
Bob: "ATTON! What the fuck? Did you just snap his neck?"
Bob: "You don't know what came over you? What the fuck! Are you telling me that we could be walking down the road, fine as dandy, and then you could just *snap* and fucking kill us all? Christ, Atton. You're nuts."
Atton: "I...I..."
Kreia: "You are implicit in this as well, Exile. If you kept your fury and kleptomania in check, this would not have happened."
Bob: "And what would you have done?"
This is Kreia calling out the nature of "evil" choices in so many games. 9 times out of 10, they boil down to being an amoral psychopath who eats babies. Evil can be so much more than that. She's basically saying that you don't have to the Joker if you want to be evil: you can be Lex Luthor too, and games that don't have the option to choose your flavor of evil should go to their rooms and think about what they've done.
Bob: "Eh. I guess you're right. But, it's Atton's insanity that screwed us over big time."
And, weirdest of all, we actually get influence with Atton for that. That's right, murdering some random sap gives us Influence with the Han Solo Wannabe. That's...something.
We set off on our quest to find the Ebon Hawk and our gear, leaving the Apartment Module for Entertainment Module 081.
We make our way towards the TSF HQ, but we come across this little scene on the way.
Bob: "What's going on here?"
Bob: "Is this true? What's your side to this?"
Bob: "No. I think you should leave now."
Bob: "You asked for it."
Bob: "Hey, Atton?"
Atton: "Y-yes?"
Bob: "You have my permission to snap these people's necks. This is the kind of situation where it is allowed."
Atton: "O-Ok..."
Bob: "Kreia! Now is not the time for dancing!"
"Oh no! I'm being absorbed into the building! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo..."
Bob: "Why are they allowed to do this?"
Bob: "In that case, you should leave, in case their friends come looking for them."
Bob: "I don't need it. Get outta here."
Bob: "There. I think that karmically balances out Atton murdering that guy."
Kreia: "One of these days, there's going to be a problem that's not going to be able to be solved by killing."
Atton: "Don't be ridiculous, Kreia."
We continue towards the TSF base, no further distractions impeding our progress.
If there's one thing I generally dislike about this game, it's the environments. Don't get me wrong, some are just as stunning as the ones in KotOR 1, but too many of them are just...dull. The environments of the first KotOR were often brilliant, a testament to creativity, and that not every space-faring civilization has to live in a grey building. Unfortunately, KotOR 2's environments seem lacking in comparison. Look at Telos, for example: there's nothing really unique about Citadel Station. Manaan in the first game had a very sleek, almost organic aesthetic, one that fit the characteristics of the Selkath. There's nothing interesting about Citadel Station. It's just bland and grey. Hell, the other Citadel Station in that other Sci-Fi game is a hell of a lot more unique looking than this.
We arrive at the TSF HQ soon enough.
Bob: "Lt. Grenn said to come here to get the Ebon Hawk and the rest of my stuff out of impound."
I don't know why, but there's something incredibly sinister about that shot. Calling it now: this droid is one of the titular Sith Lords.
Bob: "...what?"
Atton: "..what?"
Kreia: "Hmph."
Bob: "...gone? What do you mean, gone? HOW DO YOU LOSE A FUCKING SPACESHIP?"
T3-M4: "Yes! I've finally ditched those meatbag suckas. Time for Nar Shadda! I hear they have some extremely fine female Protocol Droids."
T3-M4: "Oh. Fuck."
Bob: "You really are the most incompetent police force in the galaxy, you know that, right?"
Droid: "We pride ourselves on it, sir."
Bob: "I'm sure you do. Can I at least get my gear back? Or did you lose that too?"
Bob: "Was there anything in the system about my ship?"
Bob: "What the hell am I supposed to do now?"
Atton: "Just what I was thinking."
Bob: "Tell me about the Exchange."
Bob: "If you know all that, why don't you go shut them down?"
Droid: "Because shut up."
And so, we leave the TSF HQ thoroughly pissed off, though with our gear intact, and decide to hit the local cantina and get drunk.
We start by chatting up some ladies at the bar.
Bob: "What's your name, sweet stuff?"
Bob: "Wait...what? No woman can resist my ass. It's patently impossible! She's a witch! Or a villain. One or the other."
We nary get another step before some else accosts us.
Bob: "I'm no Jedi. Just a bitter middle-aged man with telekinetetic powers and a short fuse. And you're lighting it, pally."
Bob: "Do you have a reason to be spouting this crap in my face?"
Bob: "Someone with an inflated view of himself?"
Master of completely ludicrous and impractical clothing too, it seems. Yowza.
Bob: "She's right. Mess with me, and you're mincemeat. Then Atton here will snap your neck like the psycho he is."
Atton: "...I'm never going to live this down, am I?"
Bob: "Nope."
There's not much else to do in the cantina at the moment. We will be returning here, but not right now. There's also a Swoop Racing circuit, like in the first game, that you can begin here. However, it's entirely optional, and while I skipped the swoop racing for the last game, let me know if you want me to do it. We head back to the apartment modules, and pay a little visit to Czerka HQ.
Bob: "I'm here to see Jana Lorso."
Bob: "Thanks. What can you tell me about Czerka?"
B4D4: "We also have a Video Games arm known as Electronic Arts. The Graveyard of Video Game Companies We Killed is located on site, in case you want to check it out."
Bob: "Maybe later."
Atton: "Ah, here's where the Code Monkeys work on sequels to established franchises in order to rid all creative thoughts from their brains."
Employee: "Sir, I've been working for 36 hours straight now. Can I at least phone my family, tell them I'm all right?"
Supervisor Grunka: "I have a whip, Alenko. I'm sure you won't want me to use it."
Bob: "Huh. A Grunka on Citadel Station. This sounds familiar."
Ignoring the invisible code monkeys slaving away, we go and meet Jana Lorso.
Bob: "Y'know, I would actually be rather forthcoming towards you, given your politeness, if not for the fucking creepy Sith statues behind you. Seriously, woman. What the hell? Anyway, you mentioned work. What kind of jobs have you got for me?"
Bob: "What do you want me to do?"
Bob: "Wait, you want me to steal the Ithorian's droid? That's kinda...scummy."
Kreia: "Are you forgetting the incident earlier when you broke into a man's home, robbed him of all his things, then killed him in cold blood?"
Bob: "Correction. I robbed him of all his possessions, beat him within an inch of his life, and then Atton killed him in cold blood. Very different. Besides, this is a monolithic corporation we're talking about! These guys never do anything shifty! Ever!"
Bob: "I'll have to think about it. What do you have to say about the Ithorian's complaints?"
Y'know...
She's kinda right.
As we'll soon see, the Ithorians don't actually care too much about making Telos viable economically. They want to restore the planet. A noble goal, certainly, but the Republic is in dire straits as it is. Revan/Varen and the Jedi Civil War practically destroyed the Republic, and it's only barely hobbling around on one foot. While a successful restoration of Telos will aid the Republic in the long run, it may end up killing it in the short term, if the project is as expensive as we're being led to believe it. There's every chance the Republic could pull through, but can we really take that risk? Czerka is obviously evil, obviously up to something, and yet, they may actually have the better short-term solution for the Republic. Of course, it will undoubtedly come back to bite the Republic in the ass later, but it at least assures there actually will be a Republic.
Bob: "The Planet's own resources?"
Bob: "See you later, Lorso."
Jana: "Farewell, Mr. Bindo. Be sure to check out our upcoming title, Medal of Honor: Beaters of Dead Horses."
That done, let's head over to hear the contrasting point of view.
Bob: "Moza set me here to speak with Chodo Habat."
The Ithorian compound is quite a depressing as EA Telos. it's got everything a hippie would want: plants, fountains, weed by the bucketload, and...erm..."free love rooms".
Chodo doesn't even have sinister Sith statues!
Atton: "...ah, crap. This sounds like it's gonna be one of those Jedi discussions, where you whine about disturbances in the force and crap like that. I'm gonna smoke some hookah with the other Ithorians."
Bob: "You do that. Try not to snap any necks while you're there!"
Atton: "Bob, say that again, and the audience will reach through the screen itself to make you shut up."
Bob: "Of course they will. So, Chodo, you sensed my arrival?"
Bob: "Moza said you could heal me. What does that mean?"
Bob: "I once felt the force, yes. And it is slowly returning."
Kreia: "Indeed. Nothing comes without a price."
Bob: "I'd like to hear your perspective on the matter."
Bob: "Why would the Telosian government allow this to happen?"
Bob: "What do you intend to do?"
Bob: "Vanished? How?"
REMEMBER THIS. THIS IS IMPORTANT. THERE WILL BE A TEST LATER.
Bob: "I'll think about it, Chodo."
Alright, this is the main choice for this world. Do we side with:
-The Ithorians, a bunch of space hippies who are more focused on restoring Telos to full life than making it economically viable. Probably better in the long term for the Republic, though it is a very expensive process. The Light Side choice, because it is the most optimistic and the most clear-cut good one
or,
-The Czerka Corporation, a monolithic corporation with ties to slaving operations that's most focused on making Telos economically viable. Probably better for the Republic in the short term, but Czerka are probably going to screw them over at some point. The Dark side choice, because it is the more cynical and sinister choice.
You have until friday to choose. Decide the fate of the galaxy!
We arrive at the TSF HQ soon enough.
Bob: "Lt. Grenn said to come here to get the Ebon Hawk and the rest of my stuff out of impound."
I don't know why, but there's something incredibly sinister about that shot. Calling it now: this droid is one of the titular Sith Lords.
Bob: "...what?"
Atton: "..what?"
Kreia: "Hmph."
Bob: "...gone? What do you mean, gone? HOW DO YOU LOSE A FUCKING SPACESHIP?"
T3-M4: "Yes! I've finally ditched those meatbag suckas. Time for Nar Shadda! I hear they have some extremely fine female Protocol Droids."
T3-M4: "Oh. Fuck."
Bob: "You really are the most incompetent police force in the galaxy, you know that, right?"
Droid: "We pride ourselves on it, sir."
Bob: "I'm sure you do. Can I at least get my gear back? Or did you lose that too?"
Bob: "Was there anything in the system about my ship?"
Bob: "What the hell am I supposed to do now?"
Atton: "Just what I was thinking."
Bob: "Tell me about the Exchange."
Bob: "If you know all that, why don't you go shut them down?"
Droid: "Because shut up."
And so, we leave the TSF HQ thoroughly pissed off, though with our gear intact, and decide to hit the local cantina and get drunk.
We start by chatting up some ladies at the bar.
Bob: "What's your name, sweet stuff?"
Bob: "Wait...what? No woman can resist my ass. It's patently impossible! She's a witch! Or a villain. One or the other."
We nary get another step before some else accosts us.
Bob: "I'm no Jedi. Just a bitter middle-aged man with telekinetetic powers and a short fuse. And you're lighting it, pally."
Bob: "Do you have a reason to be spouting this crap in my face?"
Bob: "Someone with an inflated view of himself?"
Master of completely ludicrous and impractical clothing too, it seems. Yowza.
Bob: "She's right. Mess with me, and you're mincemeat. Then Atton here will snap your neck like the psycho he is."
Atton: "...I'm never going to live this down, am I?"
Bob: "Nope."
There's not much else to do in the cantina at the moment. We will be returning here, but not right now. There's also a Swoop Racing circuit, like in the first game, that you can begin here. However, it's entirely optional, and while I skipped the swoop racing for the last game, let me know if you want me to do it. We head back to the apartment modules, and pay a little visit to Czerka HQ.
Bob: "I'm here to see Jana Lorso."
Bob: "Thanks. What can you tell me about Czerka?"
B4D4: "We also have a Video Games arm known as Electronic Arts. The Graveyard of Video Game Companies We Killed is located on site, in case you want to check it out."
Bob: "Maybe later."
Atton: "Ah, here's where the Code Monkeys work on sequels to established franchises in order to rid all creative thoughts from their brains."
Employee: "Sir, I've been working for 36 hours straight now. Can I at least phone my family, tell them I'm all right?"
Supervisor Grunka: "I have a whip, Alenko. I'm sure you won't want me to use it."
Bob: "Huh. A Grunka on Citadel Station. This sounds familiar."
Ignoring the invisible code monkeys slaving away, we go and meet Jana Lorso.
Bob: "Y'know, I would actually be rather forthcoming towards you, given your politeness, if not for the fucking creepy Sith statues behind you. Seriously, woman. What the hell? Anyway, you mentioned work. What kind of jobs have you got for me?"
Bob: "What do you want me to do?"
Bob: "Wait, you want me to steal the Ithorian's droid? That's kinda...scummy."
Kreia: "Are you forgetting the incident earlier when you broke into a man's home, robbed him of all his things, then killed him in cold blood?"
Bob: "Correction. I robbed him of all his possessions, beat him within an inch of his life, and then Atton killed him in cold blood. Very different. Besides, this is a monolithic corporation we're talking about! These guys never do anything shifty! Ever!"
Bob: "I'll have to think about it. What do you have to say about the Ithorian's complaints?"
Y'know...
She's kinda right.
As we'll soon see, the Ithorians don't actually care too much about making Telos viable economically. They want to restore the planet. A noble goal, certainly, but the Republic is in dire straits as it is. Revan/Varen and the Jedi Civil War practically destroyed the Republic, and it's only barely hobbling around on one foot. While a successful restoration of Telos will aid the Republic in the long run, it may end up killing it in the short term, if the project is as expensive as we're being led to believe it. There's every chance the Republic could pull through, but can we really take that risk? Czerka is obviously evil, obviously up to something, and yet, they may actually have the better short-term solution for the Republic. Of course, it will undoubtedly come back to bite the Republic in the ass later, but it at least assures there actually will be a Republic.
Bob: "The Planet's own resources?"
Bob: "See you later, Lorso."
Jana: "Farewell, Mr. Bindo. Be sure to check out our upcoming title, Medal of Honor: Beaters of Dead Horses."
That done, let's head over to hear the contrasting point of view.
Bob: "Moza set me here to speak with Chodo Habat."
The Ithorian compound is quite a depressing as EA Telos. it's got everything a hippie would want: plants, fountains, weed by the bucketload, and...erm..."free love rooms".
Chodo doesn't even have sinister Sith statues!
Atton: "...ah, crap. This sounds like it's gonna be one of those Jedi discussions, where you whine about disturbances in the force and crap like that. I'm gonna smoke some hookah with the other Ithorians."
Bob: "You do that. Try not to snap any necks while you're there!"
Atton: "Bob, say that again, and the audience will reach through the screen itself to make you shut up."
Bob: "Of course they will. So, Chodo, you sensed my arrival?"
Bob: "Moza said you could heal me. What does that mean?"
Bob: "I once felt the force, yes. And it is slowly returning."
Kreia: "Indeed. Nothing comes without a price."
Bob: "I'd like to hear your perspective on the matter."
Bob: "Why would the Telosian government allow this to happen?"
Bob: "What do you intend to do?"
Bob: "Vanished? How?"
REMEMBER THIS. THIS IS IMPORTANT. THERE WILL BE A TEST LATER.
Bob: "I'll think about it, Chodo."
Alright, this is the main choice for this world. Do we side with:
-The Ithorians, a bunch of space hippies who are more focused on restoring Telos to full life than making it economically viable. Probably better in the long term for the Republic, though it is a very expensive process. The Light Side choice, because it is the most optimistic and the most clear-cut good one
or,
-The Czerka Corporation, a monolithic corporation with ties to slaving operations that's most focused on making Telos economically viable. Probably better for the Republic in the short term, but Czerka are probably going to screw them over at some point. The Dark side choice, because it is the more cynical and sinister choice.
You have until friday to choose. Decide the fate of the galaxy!
Does it really matter what choice I make. On Friday the Mayans will come back with their awesome space robots and kill us all anyway.
OT: Hmmm this is hard, they both have their merits. I say go with Czercha because I like them more. Mostly because of what I discovered about the Ithorians
So yeah I don't trust the Ithorians. Plus for his "healing" He gives you 5 force points. 5 FORCE POINTS. THAT IS IT THAT IS WHAT YOU GIVE ME?! 5 MEASLY FORCE POINTS!!!!!
OT: Hmmm this is hard, they both have their merits. I say go with Czercha because I like them more. Mostly because of what I discovered about the Ithorians
So when you save the Ithorians and demand a reward they are like just know you have made us poor beggars and you are EVIL, they gave me 5,000 credits. Now earlier in the story when you have to convince the guy to modify that one droid he says he needs like 8,000 credits. If you ask the Ithorians they are like Here you go take it, now, go on TAKE IT!!!!
I'm at the endgame now on Malachor V, I think I missed on a lot of character exposition in the game because I wasn't able to get their backstories.
However, here's something that maybe 90% of players didn't know. If you have Hanharr in your party, take him when you first go to Onderon, trust me, you get some great dialogue out of him.
However, here's something that maybe 90% of players didn't know. If you have Hanharr in your party, take him when you first go to Onderon, trust me, you get some great dialogue out of him.
I vote for siding with the Ithorians.
And I don't ever remember the Atton neck-snapping scene - just... wow. I think I might have done the weedy light side thing there and just said sorry for rifling through the guy's stuff
Loved the nod to Grunka too
On the topic of the level design I definitely agree. To a certain extent though I think it suits the game: it's a pretty bleak story, really, and for much of the game its environments match that.
And I don't ever remember the Atton neck-snapping scene - just... wow. I think I might have done the weedy light side thing there and just said sorry for rifling through the guy's stuff
Loved the nod to Grunka too
On the topic of the level design I definitely agree. To a certain extent though I think it suits the game: it's a pretty bleak story, really, and for much of the game its environments match that.
LOL every time I read one of Atton's made up lines by woodaba, I can seriously recreate his voice in my head. Also with Kreia, and with any of the other characters.
I love this game THAT much.
Oh, and my choice, I'd like you to try Czerka's questline, merely because you've presented an interesting dillemma concerning the true nobility of their goals that I never thought of. I ALWAYS go with the Ithorians as a Light Side Jedi, but seeing a Light Side Jedi do the Czerka questline would be pretty interesting.
I love this game THAT much.
Oh, and my choice, I'd like you to try Czerka's questline, merely because you've presented an interesting dillemma concerning the true nobility of their goals that I never thought of. I ALWAYS go with the Ithorians as a Light Side Jedi, but seeing a Light Side Jedi do the Czerka questline would be pretty interesting.
Alright guys, we've hit a bit of a snag.
As some of you probably know, the latest update for the Restored Content Mod was released recently, and adds in an entire planet that was previously cut from the game. However, it is NOT compatible with the current save file we are going through. We have too choices on how to proceed:
1)I start the game over, with the new update, making the exact same choices, so we get to enjoy the new update, meaning that the next update won't out for quite a while
OR
2) Continue on as normal.
I'm leaning towards the former at the moment, but, as always, your input is pivotal as to how I proceed with this. What do you all think?
As some of you probably know, the latest update for the Restored Content Mod was released recently, and adds in an entire planet that was previously cut from the game. However, it is NOT compatible with the current save file we are going through. We have too choices on how to proceed:
1)I start the game over, with the new update, making the exact same choices, so we get to enjoy the new update, meaning that the next update won't out for quite a while
OR
2) Continue on as normal.
I'm leaning towards the former at the moment, but, as always, your input is pivotal as to how I proceed with this. What do you all think?
We're talking about M4-78, right? If so it'd be great to see it, BUT I know how much work goes into these things and it's a big ask for you to go all the way back to the start of the game.
If you're happy to grind through Peragus et al again then I'm happy to wait, but I don't think anyone will hold it against you if you want to just continue on with the current version.
If you're happy to grind through Peragus et al again then I'm happy to wait, but I don't think anyone will hold it against you if you want to just continue on with the current version.
I vote restart but would you redo all the choices? because i would love to be able to to vote and contribute cause having played through the beginning of this game a few dozen times i think you missed some things on peragus (and you skipped part of the prologue XP)
Unfortunately, I will not be able to redo all the choices. It simply would not be practical, and would take absolutely forever.iwinatlife said:
I will be taking a closer look at the areas you mentioned, but I think I got pretty much everything worth getting in Peragus and the Tutorial, I just didn't show it because if I showed every single thing I did, we would be here forever.
Restarting would give something fresh to even the people who've played the restored content version of the game, but from what I've read the droid planet isn't very interesting (nowhere near as good as the HK factory) so if you don't want to have to go through Peragus again that seems like a sensible decision.
Also I know Czerka is in someones a fairly sensible choice (although I don't believe they'll really follow through with the restoration) but I find them kinda boring on Telos somehow. Too detached and corporate, so my votes for the Ithorians.
Btw will you be showing us how you're kitting out the characters? Just now and again, not on every level up, but I'm interested in what you'll be going for, especially with Bob's 'unique' playstyle
Also I know Czerka is in someones a fairly sensible choice (although I don't believe they'll really follow through with the restoration) but I find them kinda boring on Telos somehow. Too detached and corporate, so my votes for the Ithorians.
Btw will you be showing us how you're kitting out the characters? Just now and again, not on every level up, but I'm interested in what you'll be going for, especially with Bob's 'unique' playstyle
of course i understand and i think the tutorial thing was just the sealed hangar with the whole solo mode door puzzle and as far as peragus you just took the easy way with the sonic imprint scanner the other way being piecing it together from audio logs of the maintenance officer and maybe a few other small things nothing majorwoodaba said:
If you do have the time to restart and go through Peragus (and a little bit of Telos) then my vote goes towards restarting the game and continuing the updates once you've caught up. However, it is a lot of work to ask, so if you don't want to go through with it then please continue with the current one.
Whaa? A new planet? What new planet? I want to see this!
I say go get a new save - most of the folks who've seen the game before will want to see this (myself included), and those who haven't probably will by the time it's over.
But yeah, what new content is there?
I say go get a new save - most of the folks who've seen the game before will want to see this (myself included), and those who haven't probably will by the time it's over.
But yeah, what new content is there?