Let's Retire the Reboot

Jaded Scribe

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I think part of why there's so much rebooting going on right now is that it's cheaper. I know at least Disney has a freeze on purchasing new intellectual properties, hence why we're seeing things like Return to Witch Mountain and Tron Legacy getting carted out.

But I do hope the trend ends soon.
 

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I heard that a while back, Nickelodeon was going to make a Bone movie, but with child actors on the voices and a soundtrack of Britney Spears and whatnot. Very, very fortunately, it never got off the ground; if you're going to do a Bone movie, do it well. It's a fantastic, epic saga, and any film version needs to do it justice. (Apologies if I come off sounding like a brain-dead fanboy, which I am not.)
 

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One word expresses both my distaste and awe of the treatment of comics in film: Transmetropolitan.

If they ever make it into a movie, that's when I'll know people don't care anymore and just want cheap thrills rather than fully formed concepts. It's also when I'll know the studio system has started actively trying to piss people off just to make a quick buck.
 

ciancon

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I found out this morning that "Timecrimes" is getting remade. Why would they want to remake that!? It's not as if they can make it better.

Even "Let Me In" (with absolutley no changes to the original film) wasn't better in any way.
 

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bojac6 said:
Zatanna! She is, in my humble opinion, the most underrated comic book character ever. Make the movie and make sure you cast somebody with a lot of charisma, not just who looks good.
Zatanna movie starring Anne Hathaway. Do it Hollywood
 

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Optimystic said:
bojac6 said:
Zatanna! She is, in my humble opinion, the most underrated comic book character ever. Make the movie and make sure you cast somebody with a lot of charisma, not just who looks good.
Zatanna movie starring Anne Hathaway. Do it Hollywood
You, sir, are a visionary. You are also an evil, evil man. Planting that idea in my head, full in the knowledge of how unlikely that movie is to be made. Knowing that I will spend the rest of my life disappointed in everything, because this movie does not exist. But I can hope.
 

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Marketers trump creative license.
No matter how profitable something might seem, it will always have to be carved up and beaten with the Generic Stick until it's fit for more audiences.

If that means removing distinctive character traits and writing cliche plot lines, then so be it.
Of course, there have been a few truly great examples of how to do a comic justice in film-form. But those are still outweighed by the generic market-pandering drivel.
I do believe Marvel's current strategy is to out-maneuver DC in movies before the next Batman film takes over again.
 

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Jaded Scribe said:
I think part of why there's so much rebooting going on right now is that it's cheaper. I know at least Disney has a freeze on purchasing new intellectual properties, hence why we're seeing things like Return to Witch Mountain and Tron Legacy getting carted out.
That doesn't even make sense, Disney already owns a shitload of decent IPs, why the fuck do they faff about with remakes and bloody funfair rides?
Marvel is a Disney subsidiary ffs! They could crank out dozens of movies based on comic book characters year each without spending a dime on licenses.
 

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ciancon said:
I found out this morning that "Timecrimes" is getting remade. Why would they want to remake that!? It's not as if they can make it better.

Even "Let Me In" (with absolutley no changes to the original film) wasn't better in any way.
Swedish films have been popular in Hoolywood lately, with "Let Me in" and the Millenium-trilogy being recent examples. Hell, the decision to remake "Snabba Cash" ("Easy Money") came before the film even was finished running on Swedish cinemas.
 

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Guest_Star said:
Jaded Scribe said:
I think part of why there's so much rebooting going on right now is that it's cheaper. I know at least Disney has a freeze on purchasing new intellectual properties, hence why we're seeing things like Return to Witch Mountain and Tron Legacy getting carted out.
That doesn't even make sense, Disney already owns a shitload of decent IPs, why the fuck do they faff about with remakes and bloody funfair rides?
Marvel is a Disney subsidiary ffs! They could crank out dozens of movies based on comic book characters year each without spending a dime on licenses.
I believe Marvel retains a lot of control over what gets made and what doesn't, and when/where/how.

And I don't know if you've noticed this, but:

Iron Man 3: 2011
Fantastic 4: 2005 & 2007
Spider Man: 2002, 2004, 2007 (Already being rebooted)
The Hulk: 2003, 2008
Daredevil: 2003
The Avengers: 2012


etc, etc, etc.

They are already milking their Marvel franchises as hard as they can.
 

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Jaded Scribe said:
I believe Marvel retains a lot of control over what gets made and what doesn't, and when/where/how.

And I don't know if you've noticed this, but:

Iron Man 3: 2011
Fantastic 4: 2005 & 2007
Spider Man: 2002, 2004, 2007 (Already being rebooted)
The Hulk: 2003, 2008
Daredevil: 2003
The Avengers: 2012


etc, etc, etc.

They are already milking their Marvel franchises as hard as they can.
They are milking it all right. So are DC with their golden boys.
But the problem is that they are unwilling to take chances with the lesser known IPs. Thus the remakes, reboots and serials regurgitating the most popular story arcs from the best known comics.

Marvel controls something like a couple of thousand characters. Granted, most of these are minor villains getting their ass handed to them by the Wolverine or something like that, but should be at least a few lesser known ones that would be more interesting to watch than yet another angsty teen bitten by radioactive arachnides.
 

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Actually they did do a Doctor Strange movie, Stan Lee was a consultant too!:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Strange_(1978_film)

Apologies for any trauma that causes.

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At any rate, I tend to think they need to stop trying to reboot franchises myself. I say this not just in the context of movies, but in relation to comic books, TV shows, and similar things. It seems that people have gotten it into their heads that somehow there is money to be made by totally changing a popular, and long-running character or series, in hopes that by setting the reboot with an origin happening "right now" they can increase the fanbase. The point that it's the long history of these characters that is part of the appeal, and it's that mythology that causes them to have as many fans as they do. Sadly, the guys who are calling the shots for some of my favorite properties simply do not get it, and are always chasing the big pile of money they COULD have that might be just over the horizon, rather than being content with what they have, and the money they are making.

Truthfully I think the obsession with origin stories is one of the big problems here, I think that movie producers greatly underestimate the exposure super heroes in paticular actually have. While it sold well, I think that the "Batman" franchise actually would have benefitted from glossing over the whole origin of the character and picking up with the character simply being established. This kind of thing also removes the problem of having to relay an origin story that was set involving events decades ago, with the somewhat timeless nature of comic storytelling preserving the characters. I see the upcoming "Green Lantern" as being an example of this, because honestly in trying to make the character "more relatable" they are destorying the entire point that the guy is supposed to be an icon, not some schmoe. From what I've seen, the way Ryan Renalds plays the role is nothig like The Green Lantern should be.

"Superman Returns" was a travesty because someone decided that Superman should be a modern meterosexual "sensitive guy" with "relationship issues". Superman is supposed to be a bloody paragon, an ideal nobody could ever hope to live up to, but serves to inspire. He's bloody SUPERMAN, a point the guys doing the movie missed entirely.

At any rate, I agree that they should leave the rebooting alone, and let the characters speak for themselves. I really don't think many people are going to be lost seeing "The Green Lantern" if it's not an origin story or whatever.

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One other thing in case anyone read this far:

Super Heroes are supposed to have their weaknesses. Superman is perfect, but has a physical weakness in the form of Kryptonite. Other characters in comics suffer from other weaknesses and this can include things like Lechery, Alcoholism, Spousal Abuse, and similar things.

Typically heroes with "too much money" are defined that way because they are "science heroes". Simply put some dude who can build a battlesuit capable of outperforming most weapon systems produced by bona-fide aliens, is probably going to be smart enough to have made money off of that genius. Not to mention getting the financing to build all of these toys. The guy being rich either in a self made, or inherited fashion, explains how they could have done all of this stuff. It's a stereotypical bit of reasoning, but it works.

Oddly both Doctor Strange and Wonder Woman have arrogance (in their own way) as their major weakness. It ties into Doctor Strange's origins (and he's always grappling with it to some extent). Wonder Woman pretty much throws down when challenged to just about anything, even if it's stupid. Batman's "solution" to Wonder Woman in the "Tower Of Babel" storyline was to exploit that. Written correctly both of them would kind of be jerks.

The Green Arrow, at least nowadays, is pretty much detached from reality. He's like a less mature-title oriented version of the Watchmen's Rorschach. As they put it in "Obsidian Age" he's a liberal conspiricy theorist with an axe to grind. He has a reason for thinking like he does, but at the same time he's detached from reality. This is one of the reasons why he was on Batman's "B League" team that got called in when Batman realized that the League (including him) was going to die. The B League basically including a lot of guys that weren't suited for the Justice League, but Batman figured were crazy, powerful, and/or talented enough to have a chance against anything nasty enough to kill him. Truthfully I'm not entirely sure how a character that delusional would translate to the big screen, the version they used for "Smallville" was a bit more audience friendly and less likely to offend anyone.... of course I'm more of a Marvel Fan, so I can't say what the character is like now, but at the time the guy pretty much wasn't Justice League material for being off his rocker even if he generally does the right thing (and pretty effectively).

Zatanna is a character I've always liked (along with other magic characters like Doctor Strange), a movie about her could be interesting, but as much as I hate to admit it, I think she works best in a supporting role. In general she hasn't been able to consistantly hold down her own title, and I think a lot of that has to do with the simple fact that she's so bloody powerful when written correctly that it's a chore to present challenges unless some way is contreived for her to not be able to use her powers (or for some reason she's greatly powered down). Underused, frequently badly written, but when pulled out of the hat and done right she's a great character to toss into a storyline for a given purpose. Originally her weakness was having to speak her spells backwards (though above and beyond the blood, this doesn't seem to be strictly required anymore) if you could act before she spoke, or somehow silence her, she could be beaten. Nowadays that's not all that probable. I put her up there with "Black Alice" as a fun character that's just a real chore for a writer due to what they can do. At least with Superman it can be argued that stories being more about him finding ways to overcome Kryptonite rather than doing his thing have been around for almost as long as he has and become part of his schtick (it gets disgustingly old, but in this case it seems more like it's kept around due to it's classic nature)

Ah well, enough rambling. :)