Let's talk about the Joker...

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The Seldom Seen Kid

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After my last post concerning plot holes, in which I had (stupidly, might I add) chosen to remark that it was silly to have Joker tell two (almost three, mind you) different tales of how he got his scars, warranted me 25 replies to contradict me, I have opted to open up a thread about this particular discussion. After all, it's easier then responding to every single one, and I am lazy yet too polite to voluntarily watch these replies go unanswered.
Anyway, here it is:
The Seldom Seen Kid said:
The only one I can think of is The Dark Knight.
As much as I love that movie, it's just littered with inconsistencies.
For example, why would Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars?
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Many of the smarter replies (both of them), have pointed out that the Joker is simply schizophrenic, delusional, or crazy enough to make up his own history. Which I thoroughly understand.
Before I go any further though, understand that I am indeed a Batman comic book fan (as well as a Green Lantern fan, but that's neither here nor there), and I have read every single issue since Batman R.I.P by the ludicrous Grant Morrison, who genius is only surpassed by his own craziness.
But anyways, back to the point:
I find that a perfectly reasonably argument, that is of course until you realize that the man is executing a plan that would shy even the most sadistic of the Ozymandias fans. He's clearly a cold, calculating serial murderer, who's master plan(s) is enough to challenge Batman time and time again. Pretending that this man can't tell which of the both stories is true, and which isn't, is like saying that a frog can't tell a waterlily from a tea cup.
Blimey, that was tortured. :)

But like I said, there is absolutely no reason to have given two different tales. Some people have said that it was to mess with the victim's heads, but I can't figure out how that works. We basically have a situation where he tells two tales to two entirely different people who have absolutely no link in between them, in the offset chance that they might eventually cross paths, strike up a conversation, touch on the subject of Joker, and then exchange their stories regarding his lip scars. Oh no, wait, he killed the mob boss. Never mind then -.-

My point being that I see no purpose behind the difference in his made-up stories. I'm sure the writers were trying to prove a special point in doing so, but I can quite grasp it.
 

Soviet Heavy

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I think that the Joker was pulling off what is known as a "Xanatos Gambit."

Simply put, this is a plan that is so complex and intricate that regardless of how it plays out, the instigator will benefit somehow.
 

Godavari

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It's entirely cinematographic. The audience watching the movie hears both stories, and that becomes one of those little details that adds to the Joker's character. Just about every movie ever made will have some kind of inconsistency in the plot, sacrificed for the good of the experience. That's the bane of film.
 

GravyRobbin

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From the Joker's wiki page:

"Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... if I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice! Ha ha ha!"

That is what they were going for.
 

twistedmic

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One possible explanation for the different stories could be that the Joker is a compulsive liar. It might not be a good explanation bt at least it's an explanation.
 

Fenreil

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I like the theory that the Joker doesn't know, and doesn't care. There was a bit of that in The Killing Joke, where the Joker mentions something to the effect of "Something happened to me in the past. I don't know what it was, but it changed me." The patient interview in Arkham Asylum also had an interesting take
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Patient Interview #20, August 1st
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Dr. Young: Taped patient interview 20. Joker is more interesting than I
originally believed. When Project Titan is operational, I believe Joker will be
the perfect test subject.

Good afternoon. Today I thought I'd skip back to our previous conversations
about your family.

Joker: Of course. I was born in a small fishing village. I always wanted to join
the circus, but my father wouldn't really let me.

Dr. Young: I don't believe you.

Joker: My father was a cop, 1 week from retirement when the mob...

Dr. Young: I've seen the movie. What are you scared of?

Joker: Scared?

Dr. Young: Yes, scared! There's obviously something. Something that made you
what you are.

Joker: What if... what if I am too scared to remember? It hurts too much.

Dr. Young: Then I can help you.
The Joker is obviously screwing around with Dr. Young here. Why? Because it's funny! He's the fucking Joker, that's all the motivation he needs!

We need to stop trying to understand the Joker, because it's impossible.
 

shedra

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Joker told different stories to different people because he wanted to say something that bothered them. It may not have worked on the audience, but it clearly unnerved the victim characters. He was sadistic, he wanted to put them in the greatest distress he could before killing them. It's not deeper than that.
And what do you mean "If they had a conversation, and Joker's story came up." He intended to kill Rachel too. That's what it means when he tells a scar story, that he means to kill you.
He probably made the cuts himself.