LHC Could Be Close to Finding a New Sub-Atomic Particle

Keava

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The best thing about is that, even if they manage to isolate that particle it will not only not answer any questions but only create even more of them, mainly - what effect does it have on our world, how it shaped our universe and what would happen if it was not there.
Ages ago scientists looked for a thing called perpetum mobile and i think LHC is just exactly that, the machine that produces question fueled by it's own discoveries.
 

Beryl77

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This is the stuff I love, unfortunately my grades in physics aren't really good, so I don't think I'd be able to work as a physicist even though I'd love to.
 

DanDeFool

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Distorted Stu said:
I got up to Quarks as was all like "what"

I dont have the time to wiki things right now!
imnotparanoid said:
Yay!
What does it mean again?
The short, mostly-wrong version is that we don't know where gravity/mass/inertia (they're all basically the same thing) comes from. All the forces in nature have a sub-atomic particle that is responsible for 'carrying' that force, but gravity doesn't have one that we've seen. That's the Higgs Boson. According to current theories, the Higgs Boson should show up if we can slam sub-atomic particles together at high enough speeds.

That's about all I'm prepared to explain right now. The rest has to do with anti-matter, dark matter, and string theory (which some physicists think is bunk, but the majority of physicists think HAS to be true in some form or another; yeah...).
 

imnot

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DanDeFool said:
Distorted Stu said:
I got up to Quarks as was all like "what"

I dont have the time to wiki things right now!
imnotparanoid said:
Yay!
What does it mean again?
The short, mostly-wrong version is that we don't know where gravity/mass/inertia (they're all basically the same thing) comes from. All the forces in nature have a sub-atomic particle that is responsible for 'carrying' that force, but gravity doesn't have one that we've seen. That's the Higgs Boson. According to current theories, the Higgs Boson should show up if we can slam sub-atomic particles together at high enough speeds.

That's about all I'm prepared to explain right now. The rest has to do with anti-matter, dark matter, and string theory (which some physicists think is bunk, but the majority of physicists think HAS to be true in some form or another; yeah...).
So like magic right?
[small]im so increadably bad at physics[/small]
 

DanDeFool

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imnotparanoid said:
DanDeFool said:
Distorted Stu said:
I got up to Quarks as was all like "what"

I dont have the time to wiki things right now!
imnotparanoid said:
Yay!
What does it mean again?
The short, mostly-wrong version is that we don't know where gravity/mass/inertia (they're all basically the same thing) comes from. All the forces in nature have a sub-atomic particle that is responsible for 'carrying' that force, but gravity doesn't have one that we've seen. That's the Higgs Boson. According to current theories, the Higgs Boson should show up if we can slam sub-atomic particles together at high enough speeds.

That's about all I'm prepared to explain right now. The rest has to do with anti-matter, dark matter, and string theory (which some physicists think is bunk, but the majority of physicists think HAS to be true in some form or another; yeah...).
So like magic right?
[small]im so increadably bad at physics[/small]
It's like if you have two cars, and no way to disassemble them. You want to know what's inside, so what do you do? You smash them together and see what pieces come out. You see the engine block right away, but because it's so sturdy you can't see what's inside the engine block unless you smash the cars together really, really fast.

Does that help?
 

imnot

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DanDeFool said:
imnotparanoid said:
DanDeFool said:
Distorted Stu said:
I got up to Quarks as was all like "what"

I dont have the time to wiki things right now!
imnotparanoid said:
Yay!
What does it mean again?
The short, mostly-wrong version is that we don't know where gravity/mass/inertia (they're all basically the same thing) comes from. All the forces in nature have a sub-atomic particle that is responsible for 'carrying' that force, but gravity doesn't have one that we've seen. That's the Higgs Boson. According to current theories, the Higgs Boson should show up if we can slam sub-atomic particles together at high enough speeds.

That's about all I'm prepared to explain right now. The rest has to do with anti-matter, dark matter, and string theory (which some physicists think is bunk, but the majority of physicists think HAS to be true in some form or another; yeah...).
So like magic right?
[small]im so increadably bad at physics[/small]
It's like if you have two cars, and no way to disassemble them. You want to know what's inside, so what do you do? You smash them together and see what pieces come out. You see the engine block right away, but because it's so sturdy you can't see what's inside the engine block unless you smash the cars together really, really fast.

Does that help?
A lot actually! but now I have an urge to smash up my dads car D:
 

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Well they already made up the strange particles to explain the longlivety of some things now they will just invent another one to make the equations fit
 

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Woo! New Marbles!
I still haven't heard if they found the Higgs boson they built the thing to look for.
 

Jjtricky

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DanDeFool said:
imnotparanoid said:
DanDeFool said:
Distorted Stu said:
I got up to Quarks as was all like "what"

I dont have the time to wiki things right now!
imnotparanoid said:
Yay!
What does it mean again?
The short, mostly-wrong version is that we don't know where gravity/mass/inertia (they're all basically the same thing) comes from. All the forces in nature have a sub-atomic particle that is responsible for 'carrying' that force, but gravity doesn't have one that we've seen. That's the Higgs Boson. According to current theories, the Higgs Boson should show up if we can slam sub-atomic particles together at high enough speeds.

That's about all I'm prepared to explain right now. The rest has to do with anti-matter, dark matter, and string theory (which some physicists think is bunk, but the majority of physicists think HAS to be true in some form or another; yeah...).
So like magic right?
[small]im so increadably bad at physics[/small]
It's like if you have two cars, and no way to disassemble them. You want to know what's inside, so what do you do? You smash them together and see what pieces come out. You see the engine block right away, but because it's so sturdy you can't see what's inside the engine block unless you smash the cars together really, really fast.

Does that help?
Wow, is that like a universal explanation for the LHC? Because that is EXACTLY what my physics teacher told me xD
 

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imnotparanoid said:
imnotparanoid said:
I'd seen the first one before, but that second one... I may need to stock up on crowbars.

OT: This is all really cool and all, but what happened to the search for the Higgs-Boson? I've heard very little news involving the LHC since it was switched on. That's great if we find a different new elementary particle, but did they give up on the Higgs?
DanDeFool said:
It's like if you have two cars, and no way to disassemble them. You want to know what's inside, so what do you do? You smash them together and see what pieces come out. You see the engine block right away, but because it's so sturdy you can't see what's inside the engine block unless you smash the cars together really, really fast.

Does that help?
That is by far the best explanation I've heard of what the LHC is for. I'm kinda into science and physics and the like, so I've understood the LHC on a slightly higher level, but I will definitely use that to explain it to anyone who doesn't get the nitty-gritty science.
 

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I don't think they have given up, but there are a ton of experiments that they run there. The Higg-Boson particle was just considered the most important because, dammit, we want to know how the hell gravity really works, not just have theories.
 

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imnotparanoid said:
It gets better

Im stocked up for the residence cascade, are you?
Oh, well, you know, it could just be a coincidence. After all, many people have facial hair in the style of Gordon Freema-

imnotparanoid said:

D:
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DanDeFool

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Jjtricky said:
DanDeFool said:
imnotparanoid said:
DanDeFool said:
Distorted Stu said:
I got up to Quarks as was all like "what"

I dont have the time to wiki things right now!
imnotparanoid said:
Yay!
What does it mean again?
The short, mostly-wrong version is that we don't know where gravity/mass/inertia (they're all basically the same thing) comes from. All the forces in nature have a sub-atomic particle that is responsible for 'carrying' that force, but gravity doesn't have one that we've seen. That's the Higgs Boson. According to current theories, the Higgs Boson should show up if we can slam sub-atomic particles together at high enough speeds.

That's about all I'm prepared to explain right now. The rest has to do with anti-matter, dark matter, and string theory (which some physicists think is bunk, but the majority of physicists think HAS to be true in some form or another; yeah...).
So like magic right?
[small]im so increadably bad at physics[/small]
It's like if you have two cars, and no way to disassemble them. You want to know what's inside, so what do you do? You smash them together and see what pieces come out. You see the engine block right away, but because it's so sturdy you can't see what's inside the engine block unless you smash the cars together really, really fast.

Does that help?
Wow, is that like a universal explanation for the LHC? Because that is EXACTLY what my physics teacher told me xD
Weird coincidence. I swear I came up with that on the spot.
 

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Oh good. Great things happen in science and technology when we go from realizing that a theory isn't just incomplete, but broken as well. Happy also to see that for once an LHC story can come up without people panicking about the end of the world in the comments, Black Mesa comparisons aside.

I like the car analogy.
 

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Pilkingtube said:
You know, the guy that manages to figure this out is going to vanish as he reaches "Level 2" of the real world. Can I ask, what is the point in the LHC other than finding the Higgs-Boson(sp?) particle thing? This stuff is just way too over my head, but good luck to them!
What's it's purpose? Why did we build such a thing?

Because it's cool.
 

Antari

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The reason scientists are going completely mad over this is they were only expecting to discover the Higgs Boson, as they thought this may be the last undiscovered base particle in the standard model. The fact that the tests at the Tevitron are point towards something else entirely has them all scratching their heads. Its not behaving as a Higgs Boson would in theory if it is one. Either way they have a long way to go before they figure it out.

Personally I love it when science slaps us in the face and says, "You haven't got a clue!"
 

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This is awesome, science makes it's greatest advances when a theory that for ages was thought to be correct is in fact shown to be flawed.
The most exciting phrase in science isn't "Eureka!" but rather "That's funny..."