Ahhh, no problem.Vault101 said:soo...if someone does't agree with something someone might call them names?Jake Martinez said:[snip.
oh please..
I was referring mainly to the kind of feminism that a.)happens to not be very feminist and b.) the kind that leave out certain groups like transgender people of differing race and economic backgrounds
probably my fault...I mentioned itPaulH said:Also, why is this actually cropping up in a discussion?
Ok, I think I'm out.I'm very excited to start work on a positive, fun, drama-free show about cosplay and cosplayers
Yes, I saw that too.Verlander said:I read a post by Archon on another thread where he stresses that some people have left leaning politics, some have right leaning, and that this place was non-partisan and happy (although apparently the increase of right-leaning contributors just so happen to be pitching for the Escapist more nowadays). It's a shocking state of affairs where openly discriminatory and hateful is now par for the course of "right leaning" on games sites, while in the real world even the staunchest of conservatives would shudder at the bile and hate spewed from some of the "community" now.
You're mislabeling Ms. Kerzner by implying her "gatorhood". She is just one of the rare exceptions in the field of "gaming journalism" who can engage in the discussion with an open mind and no compulsion to hysterical scaremongering. A respectable commentator, in other words.Jux said:Not a huge fan of gators in general, but I haven't heard anything about her yet that makes me think 'complete asshole', so I'll hold off on the torches and pitchforks.
It's to stop the thread getting cluttered with mostly off-topic discussions about other things.FirstNameLastName said:Why are people writing single paragraphs of their post into spoilers? They aren't spoiling anything, nor is it long enough to warrant being hidden by default. Just seems like a rather bizarre practice.
Quite though possibly the charges aren't untrue. There's plenty of feminists that support X, Y and Z for women, just not trans women or black women, due to transphobia or racism.Jake Martinez said:Let's suppose for an instance that Feminism as an ideology is comprised of 20 propositions. Now, someone may agree wholeheartedly with propositions 1 through 19, but if they disagree or take issue with proposition 20, then what happens usually is charges of being an "anti-feminist", an "MRA", or some sort of *-phobia or *-ism.
If it looks, walks and quacks like a duck, I'm gonna call it a duck. There have been a rare few gators I've found on the reasonable side, though for the life of me I can't figure out how they deal with the cognitive dissonance, but that's for another topic.StatusNil said:You're mislabeling Ms. Kerzner by implying her "gatorhood". She is just one of the rare exceptions in the field of "gaming journalism" who can engage in the discussion with an open mind and no compulsion to hysterical scaremongering. A respectable commentator, in other words.Jux said:Not a huge fan of gators in general, but I haven't heard anything about her yet that makes me think 'complete asshole', so I'll hold off on the torches and pitchforks.
I'm happy to welcome her to The Escapist, although I wish she'd be writing about games. Cosplay is not my thing, and the lady seems to really know her gaming.
I think she has written two pretty substantive pieces on GamerGate that I thought were also two of the best produced pieces of games journalism I've seen on the topic. She's correctly identified the difference between people who are actually interested in clean journalism as well as protecting artistic freedom and managed to differentiate these people from the random assholes on the internet that like to stir shit. It's not to say she gives anyone a pass, but she's correct in saying (paraphrasing here) "Yes there is some hate speech, harassment and misogyny on behalf of some people associating themselves with this group, but that doesn't automatically invalidate what is clearly the majority of people who have legitimate grievances"kampfturke said:Liana K is a lovely person. She is adamantly anti fem freq and has written much about it.
She is NOT part of gamergate, but she has often talked to people about it. Seeing as she is not against GG, I bet there will be attacks against her from the anti side, which has happened alot before.
So lets support this woman and her right to have a different opinion. She is awesome
Bonus points for respecting the intelligence of her readers enough to (correctly) use the phrase "ludo-narrative dissonance". I can't imagine any of the hacks over at Kotaku either being capable of, or even daring to, write something above a 5th grade reading level.So back off, partisans of both stripes. You may have infected television with your polluted news services, and you may be infecting the Internet with your toxic websites. You've even gotten your mitts on films because you're got enough money to do it. I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that when you start to infect my video games with your ideological nonsense, I stop playing those games. I actually like political examinations in my games like what we see in Assassin's Creed. But those games are character and story driven, and the mechanics support an artistic vision, not politics. Proof? Assassin's Creed Unity: they didn't include female multiplayer characters because the multiplayer in that game is embedded in the story. Every individual player's perspective is that they continue to play as Arno Dorian in the multiplayer, so Arno's story doesn't stop when the multiplayer begins. That's uniquely important in the Assassin's Creed franchise which is, as much as anything, an experiment in minimizing ludo-narrative dissonance. Arno suddenly having a sex change would be pretty major dissonance. The Assassin's Creed Unity decision to not include female playable characters was an artistic choice, not a political statement. I completely support Ubisoft's commitment to art, especially in light of the fact that they have had a female Assassin that was a good character, not a box on a political checklist.
Dude, it's a cosplay show. Why the hell would you cover industry problems or certain socio-political subjects in a goddamn cosplay show (unless you want to talk about cosplay etiquette which is apparently not obvious to some people)? There's plenty of room for that sort of stuff, and I'm wary of the current direction too, but I can't see any reason to react so negatively to such a statement this early.Verlander said:Ok, I think I'm out.I'm very excited to start work on a positive, fun, drama-free show about cosplay and cosplayers
I'm sure this is a very lovely person, who is talented and passionate and all of that good stuff. Probably a wonderful human being to boot. However, when new hires have to start by reinforcing "positive, fun, drama-free", it shows the absolute state of this site and gaming media in general.
FirstNameLastName said:Eh, I don't really care much for cosplay. Yay, I guess.
Why are people writing single paragraphs of their post into spoilers? They aren't spoiling anything, nor is it long enough to warrant being hidden by default. Just seems like a rather bizarre practice.
I'm guessing it'll be a show at first and then depending on how well she's received/does, she could probably write a handful of articles here and there.tilmoph said:So is she just doing the cosplay series, or will she be doing any writing on gaming/ geekdom in general? Not to be negative, a cosplay series from someone known for their cosplay is a neat addition, Just wondering since I've seen her writing on other subjects, was wondering if she'd be doing that as well. She's a decent author, so I'd be fine with her doing a column.
In either event, welcome to the Escapist Liana!