Lies they teach you in HIstory class

[Nuke_em_05]

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No, you weren't.

I don't think that you're in a place to judge my intentions. It isn't relevant either way.

If all or none of the constitution was applied to the states is irrelevant. Having the ten commandments in a courthouse is not a law created to establish a religion.

Who said it was? Who said that any display of the Ten Commandments in any courthouse under any circumstances is an attempt to establish a religion?

You.

But in at least two of those cases--the Pledge and the Ten Commandments--it establishes a church. An Abrahamic one in the case of the Pledge, and either a Protestant or a Catholic one in the case of the Ten Commandments:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Christianity

Saying that putting the Ten Commandments in a courthouse isn't a violation of the 1st Amendment because it doesn't establish or control a church is like saying that the government banning a book is not a violation of the 1st Amendment because it's not speech, it's text.

I'm done with this. Either you don't know what you're talking about. Aren't sure what you're trying to argue. Or are trolling.

 

[Curiosity's Cat]

I went to a very small, very christian high school. In the early years there weren't enough teachers to go around, so our home room teacher doubled up as our science teacher. She wasn't trained to teach science, and also believed in a literal interpretation of the bible. When it came to teaching us the scientific history of dinosaurs she went off the deep end a bit, because the bible tends to support creationism whereas the scientific evidence about dinosaurs doesn't so much.

In the end she gave us this bible passage,

Behold now the behemoth that I have made with you; he eats grass like cattle.
Behold now his strength is in his loins and his power is in the navel of his belly.
His tail hardens like a cedar; the sinews of his tendons are knit together.
His limbs are as strong as copper, his bones as a load of iron.

This, she told told us, was evidence that god created dinosaurs with the rest of the animals in the Garden of Eden.

I don't know if you could call that a lie exactly. She certainly believed what she was saying... Thank god we eventually got a real science teacher though!

 

[PatientGrasshopper]

Yes, and likewise it also means that the Government cannot prohibit the free exercise of religion.

Not so much a lie as selectivity:

World War Two ended when Germany was defeated and Berlin was occupied, and we convienently omit the part near the end where the Allies use weapons-of-mass-destruction on Japan.

Thats not entirely true. The war between America and Japan continued for a short period of time after that until America Nuked them which caused the Japanese to surrender. Fact is they surrendered to America but not the rest of the Allies. The Japanese were still in China (because in 1938 japan invaded china which might have actually been the beginning of WW2) so the Chinese and some Russian divisions were transferred to kick them outta there. Not exaclty sure when it ended but china was liberated after a while. What is odd is to this day Russia and Japan never signed a peace treaty. Probably because during the liberation of China by the Russians, the Kuril islands were captured. Which is caused and i think still is causing a bit of tension between the two.

The topic of Japan and WWII keeps coming up and I have to address the issue because I have been thinking about it a lot lately and it jut makes me sick, I can see no justification for dropping the bombs, especially when the majority of the people ho ere killed ere civilian. Einstein and even Eisenhower ere opposed to it.

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Yes Eddie Izzard

90% of what they teach you is useually altered

and everything between 1905 and 1980 is totally altered !!

Yes I believe everyone ha an agenda and that media bias i inevitable.

Lie #17639fourhunredsixtythree: America joining WW2 saved Europe. Naw, that was the soviets.

Not gonna read through sixteen pages to see if this was said earlier but here you go enjoy it I guess.

Actually one of my point a that the Soviets did not ave Europe a they were no better than the Nazis. Sure they got rid of the Nazis but replaced it with another terrible system.

not so much a lie just something that isn't usually mentioned

the firebombing of dresden. conventional weapons killed as many if not more then the nuclear attacks. Why is this nothing more then a side note in most history books ?





So there you have it.I find it frightening that some of these ideals are slowly creeping their way into american politics. Or have they always been there? Yes, i used wikipedia. If you don't like it, too bad for you.

This too I have a major problem with along with the Atomic bomb but the atomic bomb had longer lasting effects as well and it is now believed that Japan would may have surrendered soon anyway, and ye it is cary they ay our American system is headed.

Actually, Communism does not have to be an iron-fisted dictatorship.

One lie I've been told is that socialized health care is a horrible thing. From what I've heard from people from Canada, England, and France, in person and on TV, its legitimately a good thing.

What I have learned from Canada i that it has a longer waiting line and is less effective as well as higher taxes. Also in the US e have the VA Hospitals which are sort of like socialized health care for the military and they are understaffed and not that efficient.
The health care costs themselves are cheaper but a a result are not as good.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html

 

[PatientGrasshopper]

The wording "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. " still implies that states have the right to anything that is not granted to the federal government.

Who ever said secession was a power? The states when they were under the British Crown had no right to secede--where are you getting this 'power' to secede from?

It was a power originally in the Articles of Confederacy and although we got rid of those we never replaced it with a law that prohibit the states form secession.

I went to a very small, very christian high school. In the early years there weren't enough teachers to go around, so our home room teacher doubled up as our science teacher. She wasn't trained to teach science, and also believed in a literal interpretation of the bible. When it came to teaching us the scientific history of dinosaurs she went off the deep end a bit, because the bible tends to support creationism whereas the scientific evidence about dinosaurs doesn't so much.

In the end she gave us this bible passage,

Behold now the behemoth that I have made with you; he eats grass like cattle.
Behold now his strength is in his loins and his power is in the navel of his belly.
His tail hardens like a cedar; the sinews of his tendons are knit together.
His limbs are as strong as copper, his bones as a load of iron.

This, she told told us, was evidence that god created dinosaurs with the rest of the animals in the Garden of Eden.

I don't know if you could call that a lie exactly. She certainly believed what she was saying... Thank god we eventually got a real science teacher though!

The fact is you went to a Christian high school, so it is not a violation of the First Amendment because it is a private school. Forcing the school not to teach from the Bible would be a violation of the First Amendment and the Establishment clause.

 

[Alex_P]

The fact is you went to a Christian high school, so it is not a violation of the First Amendment because it is a private school.

Did the poster claim it was a violation of the First Amendment? Nope.

Looks more like the poster claimed it was a big, fat historical lie. Which it was.

-- Alex

 

[Nickolai77]

Yes, and likewise it also means that the

The topic of Japan and WWII keeps coming up and I have to address the issue because I have been thinking about it a lot lately and it jut makes me sick, I can see no justification for dropping the bombs, especially when the majority of the people ho ere killed ere civilian. Einstein and even Eisenhower ere opposed to it.

The whole process of the Japanese surrender was very sticky, and understandably contraversal.

In short, Japan would have eventually surrendered without the use of atom bombs yes, but it would have dragged on the war into 1946. At this time the Soviet Union was scrambling on a last minute "land grab" operation to get there foot in on the pacific war so Stalin could wield some influence in post WW2 East Asia. (To be nice to Stalin, i could say he wanted to secure the USSR's far eastern front) Anyway, the American gov did not want this, so they decided to use the atom bombs- (to prevent a Soviet Sphere of influense in East Asia, as there was in Europe) this, along with a few last diplomatic compromises between the Japan and American governments, Japan agreed to surrender.

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

not so much a lie just something that isn't usually mentioned

the firebombing of dresden. conventional weapons killed as many if not more then the nuclear attacks. Why is this nothing more then a side note in most history books ?

One plane(Nagasaki vs Hiroshima) versus 176(Tokyo)

Lie #5
The Pilgrims didn't actually pull themselves up by their boot straps. The stole from native american grave sites and also stole their food. There was not much hard work on their part the first year, at least not in the way we were told. Many of them did die in the first year.
Lie #6
The USA didn't defeat Soviet Russia. Reports were issued by economists and professors to the US gov in the 1960's that communism, the way it was set up in Russia, would collapse on its own, either that or be seriously and radically altered, in the next 20 years.

Lie #6 is up to debate the US did Supply insurgents in afghanastan while russia was attempting to take control... Watch Charlie Wilson's war if you dont want to research it. its a good movie. also do you really think we didnt at least try to plant spies. its easier to plant a spy in a dictatorship then in a democracy


Lie # (i dont know) we were imperialistic bastards, the phillipine war for example(i know i spelled that wrong)

Which is also the cause of the current problem in afghanistan, with the mass influx of arms and little to no schooling.. Fundamentalists could come to power, and they did.

That said, there was a U.S president who pretty much intimidated the communists all over the world into backing down..By the name of Ronald Reagan.

 

[Curiosity's Cat]

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The fact is you went to a Christian high school, so it is not a violation of the First Amendment because it is a private school. Forcing the school not to teach from the Bible would be a violation of the First Amendment and the Establishment clause.

No first amendment in Australia dude.

Also, the school was christian but it had no problem teaching the state recommended science curriculum in science class, and teaching creationism in the mandatory 'christian life studies' class. It was just this one teacher acting out of her own inability to reconcile scientific theory with christian theory. Personally I never felt the two were opposites, why cant you just say, scientific evidence points to dinosaurs having existed, and they're a wonderful example of the awesomeness of god. It's only when you interpret the bible literally that the two approaches become incompatible.

Edit: And back on topic, I would consider it a lie because she quoted the original passage completely out of context, even in terms of a literal translation of the bible. There's nothing about the behemoth in the garden of Eden, I'm pretty sure. It's one of 3 monsters meant to appear at the apocylypse, an earth monster, a water monster and a sky monster.