Little Mac Joins Super Smash Bros. 4 As a New Fighter

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Dexterity said:
Nimcha said:
I don't think I've played any game as much as SSB on the N64 and later Gamecube.

But the Wii controls are just too shitty for me, and the Wii U is even worse. I'm going to miss out. :(
Why didn't you just use a Gamecube controller on the Wii? Exactly the same controls as the Gamecube version.

And the Wii U controls are not worse. I can say firsthand that the regular Wii U controller feels just as good as the Xbox/Playstation controllers.

And if you're really so against having a controller with a screen built in, then just invest in the Wii U pro controllers. EXACTLY the same shape as the Xbox 360 controller.

There, just solved all of your problems with the newer Smash Bros games.
I guess I should have mentioned the controller is my biggest but not necessarily only reason I do not own a Wii or Wii U. :)
 

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Hopefully we get more new characters like this. I'm praying they make Lyndis from Fire Emblem a character (another former Smash Trophy). I'd love a character who revolves around battojutsu and fencing.
As of two games, I've established the pattern of what Fire Emblem characters are in Smash games.
1. Marth. (He was the protagonist of the first ever Fire Emblem.)
2. Whoever is the protagonist of the most recent FE game. (This means we're going to get Chrom/Lucina, or Robin.)
 

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Hot damn! Little Mac is finally in a Super Smash Bros game as an actual character. I love the use of new fighting tech pulled from past Punch-Out titles. Now, if we can just get an alt skin of Referee Mario. =D
 

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Being happy over a new Smash character is always balanced by the sobering moment of seeing forum posts on the internet that always have some variant of "Hey, you know [iconic Nintendo character I don't care about]? I wish they'd remove it so they could put in [barely relevant Nintendo character I do care about]".

Really glad Mac baby got in. Punchout was one of my favorite NES games growing up.
 

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CriticKitten said:
FancyNick said:
Yes! This is awesome, I always thought he'd be cool in this series. Now if only they put skull kid in, I could die a happy man.
Dendio said:
Would trade ganondorf for skull kid easily

His final smash could be the moon dropping like in majoras mask
I'd prefer Ganondorf for Midna, myself. Could easily give her a unique moveset of her own that would offer a unique experience. Plus, Midna's awesome, and the closest I could arguably get to a waifu.
There's no reason to trade these characters, they would likely have completely different playsets anyway so it wouldn't be redundant to have both just because they're from the same series.

That being said, if made to choose (for some reason) Ganondorf is the more logical choice for almost every reason, he's in way more games, has an almost Bowser level of notoriety, he's a character who actually fights in the series so his attacks don't have to be completely made up, and there are different versions of him to choose from. I just think he should be modified to be more sword and magic based like most of his actual in game appearances, rather than being a Captain Falcon clone.
 

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Because Brawl made him into an absolute joke, and I'm not sure they can salvage him as is. >_<
Tis why I love Project M so much because it makes Ganondorf have his Melee physics again, and as my friend demonstrated last night when we were playing he's damn deadly. 0_0
I would like for Midna to be in the game though, but more as an assist trophy because having her as a fighter I can't think of moves for her unless they were to incorporate Wolf-Link. I mean her final smash could be easy, just Midna with all the Fused Shadows and have her turn into the thing that gave me nightmares for 3 days, but move wise I can't think of much.

Personally I'm still concerned at the fact that Captain Falcon still hasn't been confirmed for the next Smash Bros because I must have my Valentine's Day Falcon! >.<
Really I'm honestly hoping the physics in this next Smash game are better than Brawl's because Brawl just left a bad taste in my mouth and made me go back to Melee until Project M came to be.
 

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The fact that he only exists to provide a "heavier" clone of Captain Falcon is reason enough to dispose of him as a character. He's almost universally acknowledged as one of the worst characters in the last game, too, primarily because his weight utterly doomed him in most Brawl maps because of their more "mobile" natures.
You have it backwards. He didn't exist to provide a heavier clone of Falcon, rather they decided to put him into the game because he's one of the major characters in one of Nintendo's biggest franchises, and because they were too lazy to design his own moveset from scratch they just used Captain Falcon's instead. However, considering his notoriety you could just as easily say Captain Falcon is a lighter clone of him. And honestly if I had to let go of one of them I'd choose Falcon, I don't even know who he is or anything about F-Zero.

To make him worthwhile and to differentiate him from Falcon, you'd have to completely revamp his character and moves anyways. He wouldn't even resemble his original form. At that point, you're better off just scrapping him and starting over with someone else.
Why would it be better to scrap him entirely than to just change him? To be honest I'm pretty biased by the fact that he was one of my favorite characters in Melee, but I still think it makes more sense to include an important Zelda character than to scrap him just because they made him lame in a previous installment.

And who better than one of the newer and more popular characters in the Zelda franchise? *shrug* Even if I didn't have a personal fondness of the character, I'd rather have her than Ganondorf. Because Brawl made him into an absolute joke, and I'm not sure they can salvage him as is. >_<
I don't know, not only is Midna only from one game, but what would her attacks even be? She's mostly a passive character in the game, sorta like Navi.
 

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Olas said:
CriticKitten said:
Olas said:
The fact that he only exists to provide a "heavier" clone of Captain Falcon is reason enough to dispose of him as a character. He's almost universally acknowledged as one of the worst characters in the last game, too, primarily because his weight utterly doomed him in most Brawl maps because of their more "mobile" natures.
You have it backwards. He didn't exist to provide a heavier clone of Falcon, rather they decided to put him into the game because he's one of the major characters in one of Nintendo's biggest franchises, and because they were too lazy to design his own moveset from scratch they just used Captain Falcon's instead. However, considering his notoriety you could just as easily say Captain Falcon is a lighter clone of him. And honestly if I had to let go of one of them I'd choose Falcon, I don't even know who he is or anything about F-Zero.

To make him worthwhile and to differentiate him from Falcon, you'd have to completely revamp his character and moves anyways. He wouldn't even resemble his original form. At that point, you're better off just scrapping him and starting over with someone else.
Why would it be better to scrap him entirely than to just change him? To be honest I'm pretty biased by the fact that he was one of my favorite characters in Melee, but I still think it makes more sense to include an important Zelda character than to scrap him just because they made him lame in a previous installment.

And who better than one of the newer and more popular characters in the Zelda franchise? *shrug* Even if I didn't have a personal fondness of the character, I'd rather have her than Ganondorf. Because Brawl made him into an absolute joke, and I'm not sure they can salvage him as is. >_<
I don't know, not only is Midna only from one game, but what would her attacks even be? She's mostly a passive character in the game, sorta like Navi.
I agree with your sentiment; even though Ganondorf has so far been included in SSB as a variant of Captain Falcon, he still deserves to be in the game more so than any other Legend of Zelda character (the exception being Link) due to his overall importance to the series. I doubt that a non-lead, one-shot character from a long running series like Midna would even get in as a playable character regardless of Ganondorf's status anyway.

I do somewhat disagree with the accusation of laziness regarding Ganondorf being a clone of Captain Falcon. From what I've researched, Ganondorf was apparently not intended to be in Melee originally along with Falco, Roy, Young Link, Pichu or Dr. Mario. At some point during or after creating the 19th character for Melee, Sakurai and the team realised that they had enough time to create either one more unique move-set character or to create several clones. Sakurai felt that fans would prefer more characters in the game, even if they were clones, and so went with the latter option. Ganondorf was thus included because he was popular and he had a similar build to Captain Falcon. Frankly I'd have preferred the shorter non-clone roster and to have waited for Ganondorf's addition, which I feel would have resulted in him having an original move-set but alas, that is not what happened.