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Quel0

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in response to the bloatedness of windows...

yes... it's because programmers can be lazy and people dont care if they have to get something even more bloated (just stack on more ram)...

in the wonderful world where computer programs are built for efficiency, speed, and compatibility this would not happen... but it's all about profits and release dates.
 

GeeDave

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Uh oh's, is this getting into 32bit V 64bit now?

I will flat out state that the majority of people, ie the average PC user... even extending to "hardcore" gamers. Do not need anything more than a 32bit OS with 3GB of RAM (and yes, you can do a little tinkering in 32bit OS' to allow 3gb, I do believe it's even called the "3gb switch" in XP). Your GFX card will play a HUUUGE role in game performance.

However, for quite a small percentage of people... 64bit OS' and 64bit programs with butt-fuck loads of RAM is essential, especially for those of us who work on these machines at a professional level (and require something a little more hefty than Microsoft Word and Excel). I don't know what Eggo does for a living, or whether or not he's into some serious power/memory draining hobbies... but there's nothing wrong with having a machine so beastily powerful. And it's rather pointless to argue.

Yes, Vista 64 uses up a lot of RAM to begin with, but when you've got 8+ gigs in that bad boy, it really doesn't matter, 512 or less being used by the OS is no sweat, and you get the benefit of 64bit stability, as opposed to XP 64bit (which my main PC is currently on)... I've had a lot of problems with it, and I'd happily trade a few hundred more kb's of RAM in turn for a more stable OS, again... going back to the 'professional' point... some of us can't really afford unstable working environments.

Essentially... if you're looking to buy a PC, and you don't know whether or not you want 64bit... chances are you'll be perfectly fine with 32bit. There are not a great deal of games that are even made to 'take advantage' of 64bit systems either. A maxed out 32bit system will still handle HL2, Stalker, Crysis, Far Cry... can't actually think of anymore, very well. Especially HL2, Far Cry and Stalker... I'm unsure about Crysis, what with it being very memory intensive at full spec and needing DX10 too (again though, a bonus of Vista).

I'm starting to lose my train of thought here... typing over.
 

Quel0

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In response to Eggo...

This is about a gaming PC. I challenge your monstrosity of a PC to a gaming duel *go run furmark or something my score's about 12k and posted on the list*.

Also you can make xp only use 120mb of memory if you know how to tweak it *brought it to 44mb on a 64mb 166mhz pentium prox2 for fun.* Really the only game i've seen use as much memory as you can throw at it is FSX in which it doesn't matter due to the swap between the vram and the ram anyway.

XP32 still outperforms Vista on every benchmark I have encountered, prove me otherwise.
 

Quel0

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Eggo: I completely concur with your gaming PC in your link except for the vista64.

I only link furmark since it's a lot more cleanly written than vantage/3dmark06 and can show the complete rendering available for a gpu or many which in essence should show performance available to any opengl application.

off topic: I remember cakewalk way back when you could hook a midi keyboard up to it with a day of frustration =P I'm happy that it makes you money though... but that's more of a job thing; i wouldn't recommend a setup that optimizes mathematica even though it helps pay my bills.
 

Quel0

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i have yet to see a benchmark that proves that a pc with 2gb and windows xp runs slower than vista64 with 4gb+ with the same hardware. at least with today's games/benches.

(although from what i hear crysis warhead might be the exception) stalker clear sky isn't
 

SenseOfTumour

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As lots of people are being helpful, perhaps someone could look at this and either advise me of processor upgrades, or where I should go to find out that kind of info.

http://www.stuff-uk.net/?s=ST-PS.E21C2.U01