Lords of Shadow Studio's New Game is Coming to PS4 and Xbox One, Not Wii U
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square enix supported gamecube? when i look them up, they have exactly one gamecube game listed
also, all of the consoles have a pretty sizable library of shovelware
i'm going to have to ask for more citations behind some of these claims, especially the ones about developer restrictions i keep hearing about
edit: after further review, a lot of these claims are difficult to substantiate when i look for the pertinent information, and casts more doubt that these aren't also the types of arguments you claim are flawed
also, all of the consoles have a pretty sizable library of shovelware
i'm going to have to ask for more citations behind some of these claims, especially the ones about developer restrictions i keep hearing about
edit: after further review, a lot of these claims are difficult to substantiate when i look for the pertinent information, and casts more doubt that these aren't also the types of arguments you claim are flawed
You should use the quote function to notify people, it'll help. For one, back then Square Enix had just formed as the merger with Squaresoft and Enix had just gone underway.weirdguy said:
Anyway, did you ever play Crystal Chronicles? It had a lot of development out of it and was utilizing the connection with the Gameboy Advanced and the GameCube, as you couldn't play multiplayer on it without the connector cable. Square put a lot of money into the system with that, and there were problems in which the standard GameCube memory card couldn't be used to save Crystal Chronicles' data. So Square Enix dropped support of the GameCube because of the losses.
Capcom was in similar place, with Capcom releasing the Capcom Five onto the GameCube and never making any money from it, and thus the games (Viewtiful Joe, Resident Evil 4, Killer 7) were also ported to the PS2 later to try and recuperate losses.
As for the practices, st0pnsw0p linked you. I believe for one of them I got confused with the Capcom Five again, but Square Enix did lose money with Crystal Chronicles.
As for the developer restrictions today, Iwata has been trying to rebuild the relationships that were damaged but in Japanese culture time can't heal all wounds. Plus nowadays it's all about profits and 3rd parties are seeing that they won't profit if they are on the Wii U, so they decide not to do so.
Don't forget that Yamauchi purposely made the N64 difficult to develop for, to deter what he would deem as "untalented 3rd parties" from the N64. That combine with the $25-$35 dollar price tag for a single cartridge drove away a lot of 3rd parties, and actually the plan backfired because due to the success of the SNES a lot of people wanted to get their games on a Nintendo console, and as a result a lot of more sloppily made 3rd party titles came to the N64.st0pnsw0p said:
Funnily enough, Sony purposely made the PS3 difficult to develop for to extend it's longevity. So in a way, Sony went full on retard and thus the CELL architecture and all of it's stupidity came to be.
What's with the 3rd consoles that a company makes that their CEOs get some of the stupidest ideas ever? N64 being purposely difficult to develop for because of Yamauchi, Sony deciding on CELL Architecture for the console, and then everything that happened with the Xbox One. It's like 3 is a number that is like bad luck for the industry, as the third generation of consoles is when the crash happened and the year it crash was 1983...
No wonder Valve hasn't been pushing to make Half Life 3. XD
For a second there I was worried that the NDF would be gone without JEFFERS, but it seems I was very wrong...
OT: well considering their only two games I know of a are a barely competent waste-of-a-once-good-franchise GoW clone and that... thing on the 3DS this seems like good news for WiiU owners.
OT: well considering their only two games I know of a are a barely competent waste-of-a-once-good-franchise GoW clone and that... thing on the 3DS this seems like good news for WiiU owners.
I've...never actually heard any complaints about Nintendo being oppressive for the last decade. Like I said, I just don't get what the logic is behind 3rd parties doing everything they can to be assholes to Nintendo. This isn't even about "install bases" or "money" anymore, never has been. People can yell those two excuses all day long, but I've yet to see a decent excuse as to why said 3rd parties also refuse to give the 3DS proper support despite it being a gold mine. This seems to me like they're just being assholes and trying to play that "starving/oppressed artist" card like it automatically makes them immune to criticism for giving an entire userbase the finger. You can't do that without looking like a douche.weirdguy said:
Plenty of third parties support 3DS, it's just that a most of them are japanese developers and a lot of games aren't ported over. Western developers aren't really interested in developing for handheld systems, they prefer consoles and PC. It makes sense because, in Japan, handhelds are more popular than consoles, which is the opposite of how things are in the west.Aiddon said:
Sure thing. (I toss you a bag.)Neronium said:
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I am truly baffled by the responses in this thread. Do people really think that there is a hatred campaign going against Nintendo? You might like to think that Nintendo's platform can only make them more money but your promise to buy a whole one copy doesn't exactly help nor do the recent sales of the third party titles.
My problem with that line of thinking is that I don't recall many 3rd parties actively trying to sell their products on Nintendo systems. Of course I'm just being hyperbolic when it comes to companies actively despising Nintendo. What I really believe is that 3rd parties are IDIOTS. I don't know whether this is because they've gotten so used to selling to one demographic over the years or that their brains just stall when it comes to Nintendo systems, but they just REALLY don't display any sort of intelligence or logic when it comes to Nintendo systems.bafrali said:
For example, complaining that their titles never sell. Whenever I've seen 3rd parties (mostly Western) throw that out I've noticed one of two elements. 1) The game was poorly/cheaply made, 2) If said game WAS good, it was lazily thrown out with no hype. With the former the game would have failed regardless. You can't throw out shovelware and expect it to sell. Dress it up all you want, but crap is CRAP. In addendum, we also had the myriad titles who outright gimped themselves by removing content or being stupid in another way. One of the most egregious was Sniper Elite that outright cut out EVERYTHING but the single player. It was rewarded how it should have been: by bombing. Another was Mass Effect 3 that didn't release any DLC post release and was of course released around the same time as the Mass Effect Trilogy. I'm sorry, but how exactly did they ME3 WASN'T going to bomb when they did that? Or how about Arkham Origins that cut out multiplayer (though in all honesty Wii U owners might have dodged a bullet with that)? Why exactly should these products have gotten A+ results when clearly there was only C- effort?
With the latter (hype) that seems to just be basic logic. People whine about Nintendo's marketing, but 3rd parties' marketing on Nintendo systems is abysmal if it even exists at all. Of course aren't going to buy your product if they aren't aware it exists on the system. Seriously, how much have 3rd parties hyped ANY sort of product on Nintendo consoles? When was the last time? When did Rayman Legends, Assassin's Creed, Arkham Origins, or any other 3rd party title ever advertise their Wii U features or that they were on the Wii U at all except for the TINY Wii U logo? The only two I can think of are Scribblenauts and Deus Ex (and the later made the decision of delaying itself to try and make some quickie ports on the 360 and PS3. And both those versions bombed). Everything seems to out of its way to ignore the Wii U.
So, that's what irritates me: the lack of logic and common sense when it comes to the Wii U. I don't know WHAT it is, but it seems that every time a 3rd party tries to make a release on the 3DS or the Wii U (with the exception of Japanese companies like CAPCOM, Atlus, etc) something in their heads just stops working and suddenly all they can think is "DERP!" It just baffles me. It should not be this difficult to do the bare basic of selling a game. How exactly is it LOGICAL for 3rd parties to expect sales when they do stuff this stupid? I don't see how in any way, shape, or form Nintendo are at fault for 3rd parties' failing to sell their games.