Los Angeles Manhunt

[lacktheknack]

He's not going postal.. I mean, yeah he sort of is, but if you read his manifesto he's got a shit ton of legit complaints against the LAPD for their corruption and racism.

He's not a pyschopath in the traditional sense.

Yes he is. Complaints aside, you don't kill family members that had exactly zero to do with corruption. He's not a reasonable guy.

Meanwhile the LAPD are firing on innocent civilians in an attempt to kill him.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

Who's the bigger pyschopath? The pyschopath or the guys that are suppose to catch the pyschopath?

The one who's hunting down and killing people.

Rhetorical questions don't work when they're easily answerable.

Look, clearly Dorner is in the wrong. And he should face the fullest extent of the law.

When I say he's not a pyschopath in traditional terms, he's not fucking Eric Harris. He's not killing because he hates humanity or some bullshit. He's flat out stated "This is my beef with the LAPD"

http://pastebin.com/TAzPRfPy

He needs to face justice, I agree, but I think some of his claims need to be investigated. The thought of police taking pictures with their cell phone cameras of the recently deceased and betting on who has the worse corpse? And all of that misconduct protected by the "blue line"

I've never had any trouble with police but it be foolish to write off his claims as the ramblings of a delusional mad man. This is different.

As I said before, they should be investigated. Thoroughly. Cop corruption is a hell of a bad thing.

However, I am FURIOUS and HORRIFIED that people are SIDING WITH A SERIAL KILLER because of it. That's what I'm focusing on. People can try to justify it all they want, but PEOPLE ARE DYING AT THE HANDS OF A PSYCHOPATH.

HOW

DO

I

GET

THIS

ACROSS?

Here, I'll put it in less grand terms.

This is like siding with some guy who beat the crap out some girl and leaves her in the hospital because "her brother slapped some dude I know". When we start siding with him, I snap.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Wrong wrong wrong. You seriously think they're going to open fire on someone who they aren't sure is the suspect at this point? What do you think they are, suicidal lemmings? They know they're under immense scrutiny at this point, and won't DARE to try that stunt again.

If you're doing anything "fishy" or "resemble" the suspect, even the most on-edge cop in existence would tell you to put your hands up, and if you did, they'd arrest you, only to let you go right away because you certainly have an alibi and aren't resisting (and if you are resisting, then you're an idiot regardless of circumstance). And at this point, they'll be pulling people over before shooting.

Meanwhile,
Part of the family of an LAPD officer? Dead. For sure. If this was happening in my city, I'd be a target right now.

You're essentially saying "I'm siding with a guy who has a 100% chance of killing people again, because I'm not a target, and the other guys have a 0.000000000001% chance of shooting me". Even less so, since I highly doubt you resemble the suspect.

It's disgusting. Stop it.

In a perfect world, yes. They'd take these mistakes as an opertunity to get their shit together. They may even crack down on some of this corruption if it's indeed true and now that someone's sounding off about it.

Though it's just as likely that the cops are still on edge, still looking for an excuse to put down how they see as a suspect, and still likely to screw up.

I'm more afraid of the police because they have the power to put me or anyone else down without much of a fight. They've already shown here that they can't be trusted to keep their cool, so why continue to trust them to protect us after this?

I'm not trying to be offensive but, seriously, the cops are as bad, if not, worse than the one on a rampage.

And to be fair, the alleged asian women where heading towards a house of a family member the suspect threatened.

That's still no excuse to open fire before being open fired upon.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

He's not going postal.. I mean, yeah he sort of is, but if you read his manifesto he's got a shit ton of legit complaints against the LAPD for their corruption and racism.

He's not a pyschopath in the traditional sense.

Yes he is. Complaints aside, you don't kill family members that had exactly zero to do with corruption. He's not a reasonable guy.

Meanwhile the LAPD are firing on innocent civilians in an attempt to kill him.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

Who's the bigger pyschopath? The pyschopath or the guys that are suppose to catch the pyschopath?

The one who's hunting down and killing people.

Rhetorical questions don't work when they're easily answerable.

Look, clearly Dorner is in the wrong. And he should face the fullest extent of the law.

When I say he's not a pyschopath in traditional terms, he's not fucking Eric Harris. He's not killing because he hates humanity or some bullshit. He's flat out stated "This is my beef with the LAPD"

http://pastebin.com/TAzPRfPy

He needs to face justice, I agree, but I think some of his claims need to be investigated. The thought of police taking pictures with their cell phone cameras of the recently deceased and betting on who has the worse corpse? And all of that misconduct protected by the "blue line"

I've never had any trouble with police but it be foolish to write off his claims as the ramblings of a delusional mad man. This is different.

As I said before, they should be investigated. Thoroughly. Cop corruption is a hell of a bad thing.

However, I am FURIOUS and HORRIFIED that people are SIDING WITH A SERIAL KILLER because of it. That's what I'm focusing on. People can try to justify it all they want, but PEOPLE ARE DYING AT THE HANDS OF A PSYCHOPATH.

HOW

DO

I

GET

THIS

ACROSS?

Here, I'll put it in less grand terms.

This is like siding with some guy who beat the crap out some girl and leaves her in the hospital because "her brother slapped some dude I know". When we start siding with him, I snap.

I don't condone vigilantism that results in people dead. Batman is a hero. Dorner is no hero.

But he's saying his whole one man war is stemming from this corruption. All I'm saying is once Dorner is either caught or killed, his allegations need to be investigated. We can't just ignore it as the delusional ramblings of a mad man.

Wrong is still wrong, but if the LAPD is engaging in the activity he claims I want them held responsible too.

I'm sorry but PHOTOGRAPHING THE MUTILATED BODIES OF THE DEAD is equal to "slapped some dude I know"?

No. It's not.

 

[lacktheknack]

Wrong wrong wrong. You seriously think they're going to open fire on someone who they aren't sure is the suspect at this point? What do you think they are, suicidal lemmings? They know they're under immense scrutiny at this point, and won't DARE to try that stunt again.

If you're doing anything "fishy" or "resemble" the suspect, even the most on-edge cop in existence would tell you to put your hands up, and if you did, they'd arrest you, only to let you go right away because you certainly have an alibi and aren't resisting (and if you are resisting, then you're an idiot regardless of circumstance). And at this point, they'll be pulling people over before shooting.

Meanwhile,
Part of the family of an LAPD officer? Dead. For sure. If this was happening in my city, I'd be a target right now.

You're essentially saying "I'm siding with a guy who has a 100% chance of killing people again, because I'm not a target, and the other guys have a 0.000000000001% chance of shooting me". Even less so, since I highly doubt you resemble the suspect.

It's disgusting. Stop it.

In a perfect world, yes. They'd take these mistakes as an opertunity to get their shit together. They may even crack down on some of this corruption if it's indeed true and now that someone's sounding off about it.

Though it's just as likely that the cops are still on edge, still looking for an excuse to put down how they see as a suspect, and still likely to screw up.

I'm more afraid of the police because they have the power to put me or anyone else down without much of a fight. They've already shown here that they can't be trusted to keep their cool, so why continue to trust them to protect us after this?

I'm not trying to be offensive but, seriously, the cops are as bad, if not, worse than the one on a rampage.

You say they're bad because they might kill people. Fine. Then you say that they're as bad or worse as the guy who has killed and will kill again.

The forum rules won't let me say what I have to say to you.

Also, do you have family in the police?

No? So you don't know how the hierarchy works. You don't know how the cop punishments go down. You don't know how they get worse when the media comes in. You don't know about the mental breakdowns. You don't know about the rotation of cops in situations just like this. You don't know the various methods that the police have, which have been proven to work in the past.

You. Don't. Know.

So why should I, a dude with a cousin and parent involved with the police force, listen to what you theorize the cops will do next? You can claim "but they'll act on human instinct", and I'll claim the same thing. However, I also claim that the human instinct will have shifted to "hold your fire" by this point.

 

[Gennadios]

The people that are accepted into the LAPD are... special.

Every city has different psych eval requirements to take on cops, in my city, the kind of personality traits that LAPD can get away with would only land them a spot in the Sheriff's department, which is sort of a repository for people deemed to aggressive to be put on patrol.

 

[lacktheknack]

He's not going postal.. I mean, yeah he sort of is, but if you read his manifesto he's got a shit ton of legit complaints against the LAPD for their corruption and racism.

He's not a pyschopath in the traditional sense.

Yes he is. Complaints aside, you don't kill family members that had exactly zero to do with corruption. He's not a reasonable guy.

Meanwhile the LAPD are firing on innocent civilians in an attempt to kill him.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

Who's the bigger pyschopath? The pyschopath or the guys that are suppose to catch the pyschopath?

The one who's hunting down and killing people.

Rhetorical questions don't work when they're easily answerable.

Look, clearly Dorner is in the wrong. And he should face the fullest extent of the law.

When I say he's not a pyschopath in traditional terms, he's not fucking Eric Harris. He's not killing because he hates humanity or some bullshit. He's flat out stated "This is my beef with the LAPD"

http://pastebin.com/TAzPRfPy

He needs to face justice, I agree, but I think some of his claims need to be investigated. The thought of police taking pictures with their cell phone cameras of the recently deceased and betting on who has the worse corpse? And all of that misconduct protected by the "blue line"

I've never had any trouble with police but it be foolish to write off his claims as the ramblings of a delusional mad man. This is different.

As I said before, they should be investigated. Thoroughly. Cop corruption is a hell of a bad thing.

However, I am FURIOUS and HORRIFIED that people are SIDING WITH A SERIAL KILLER because of it. That's what I'm focusing on. People can try to justify it all they want, but PEOPLE ARE DYING AT THE HANDS OF A PSYCHOPATH.

HOW

DO

I

GET

THIS

ACROSS?

Here, I'll put it in less grand terms.

This is like siding with some guy who beat the crap out some girl and leaves her in the hospital because "her brother slapped some dude I know". When we start siding with him, I snap.

I don't condone vigilantism that results in people dead. Batman is a hero. Dorner is no hero.

But he's saying his whole one man war is stemming from this corruption. All I'm saying is once Dorner is either caught or killed, his allegations need to be investigated. We can't just ignore it as the delusional ramblings of a mad man.

Wrong is still wrong, but if the LAPD is engaging in the activity he claims I want them held responsible too.

I'm sorry but PHOTOGRAPHING THE MUTILATED BODIES OF THE DEAD is equal to "slapped some dude I know"?

No. It's not.

Neither is MURDER equal to "beat some girl up and put her in the hospital". That's the point of reducing the terms. If anything, I probably picked something too lenient for comparison to murder. Maybe if he had left her infertile in the process, it would be an accurate scaling down.

I also want the police investigated... LATER. AFTER PEOPLE STOP SIDING WITH A FUCKING SERIAL KILLER AND THEY ARREST HIM.

You know what? Judging from people's reactions in this thread, I'm starting to think that "violent games desensitize people to violence" has a grain (or more) of truth.

 

[lacktheknack]

Everyone involed with these shootings should be fired and brought up on criminal charges for firing on innocent bystanders without even attempting to identify them.

Fucking retards.

This is true. I fully support this.

 

[lacktheknack]

He's not going postal.. I mean, yeah he sort of is, but if you read his manifesto he's got a shit ton of legit complaints against the LAPD for their corruption and racism.

He's not a pyschopath in the traditional sense.

Yes he is. Complaints aside, you don't kill family members that had exactly zero to do with corruption. He's not a reasonable guy.

Meanwhile the LAPD are firing on innocent civilians in an attempt to kill him.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

Who's the bigger pyschopath? The pyschopath or the guys that are suppose to catch the pyschopath?

That would be the guy intentionally and systematically murdering people.

And yet I'm less scared of him than I am of the ones who are supposed to protecting the people.

Show an ounce of empathy for some policeman's son, daughter, or spouse. Just an ounce. I dare you.

Now see you just assumed I don't. I have sympathy for them the same way I have sympathy for the families all the police and armed forces of any country. The ones I don't have sympathy for are those fucking trigger happy cops. Dude doesn't even have to target anybody anymore, just sit back and watch the LAPD destroy itself. The only reason those four civilians are still alive is because the officers can't aim for shit. Nobody can claim to be reasonable here.

Not what I was getting at.

You say "I'm more terrified of the cops at this point". But face it, you're not THAT scared. You likely don't resemble the suspect, likely don't drive that car, and likely don't do suspicious stuff in broad daylight, and you probably know in the back of your head that the cops are going to be way more careful on who they shoot at now.

However, the family members of the police have no such assurances. They KNOW they're on that hit list, and the only thing that can save them is bringing down the killer right away. They're terrified out of their minds right now, if they're sane. THAT'S what I meant by "show an ounce of sympathy".

And make no mistake, I'm on the cops' side for right now, until the killer is arrested... and then I'm going to do a 180 and demand that investigation be done.

It's just that I (unlike anyone else here, apparently) have a sense of priority and timing.

 

[Shadowstar38]

You say they're bad because they might kill people. Fine. Then you say that they're as bad or worse as the guy who has killed and will kill again.

The forum rules won't let me say what I have to say to you.

Also, do you have family in the police?

No? So you don't know how the hierarchy works. You don't know how the cop punishments go down. You don't know how they get worse when the media comes in. You don't know about the mental breakdowns. You don't know about the rotation of cops in situations just like this. You don't know the various methods that the police have, which have been proven to work in the past.

You. Don't. Know.

So why should I, a dude with a cousin and parent involved with the police force, listen to what you theorize the cops will do next? You can claim "but they'll act on human instinct", and I'll claim the same thing. However, I also claim that the human instinct will have shifted to "hold your fire" by this point.

You're making a lot of assumptions right now. But okay. Assuming I didn't personally know several people working in law enforcement...

I really have no problem with the police in general. They tend to do what's in the people's best interest. And due to the nature of their job, I expect them to be of a higher standard than most other people. Anyone who can't hack it should be thrown on their ass.

When something like this happens, someone's been screwing up royally. And the people that are suppose to protect us are not keeping it together. And when you add the possible corruption, I just can't help but find them to be the cause of this whole mess.

The killer should not have gone after the families. But if what he's saying is true, and the LAPD has created an environment where an individual thinks this is the best option, I find the cops to be as guilty as the murderer.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

He's not going postal.. I mean, yeah he sort of is, but if you read his manifesto he's got a shit ton of legit complaints against the LAPD for their corruption and racism.

He's not a pyschopath in the traditional sense.

Yes he is. Complaints aside, you don't kill family members that had exactly zero to do with corruption. He's not a reasonable guy.

Meanwhile the LAPD are firing on innocent civilians in an attempt to kill him.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

Who's the bigger pyschopath? The pyschopath or the guys that are suppose to catch the pyschopath?

The one who's hunting down and killing people.

Rhetorical questions don't work when they're easily answerable.

Look, clearly Dorner is in the wrong. And he should face the fullest extent of the law.

When I say he's not a pyschopath in traditional terms, he's not fucking Eric Harris. He's not killing because he hates humanity or some bullshit. He's flat out stated "This is my beef with the LAPD"

http://pastebin.com/TAzPRfPy

He needs to face justice, I agree, but I think some of his claims need to be investigated. The thought of police taking pictures with their cell phone cameras of the recently deceased and betting on who has the worse corpse? And all of that misconduct protected by the "blue line"

I've never had any trouble with police but it be foolish to write off his claims as the ramblings of a delusional mad man. This is different.

As I said before, they should be investigated. Thoroughly. Cop corruption is a hell of a bad thing.

However, I am FURIOUS and HORRIFIED that people are SIDING WITH A SERIAL KILLER because of it. That's what I'm focusing on. People can try to justify it all they want, but PEOPLE ARE DYING AT THE HANDS OF A PSYCHOPATH.

HOW

DO

I

GET

THIS

ACROSS?

Here, I'll put it in less grand terms.

This is like siding with some guy who beat the crap out some girl and leaves her in the hospital because "her brother slapped some dude I know". When we start siding with him, I snap.

I don't condone vigilantism that results in people dead. Batman is a hero. Dorner is no hero.

But he's saying his whole one man war is stemming from this corruption. All I'm saying is once Dorner is either caught or killed, his allegations need to be investigated. We can't just ignore it as the delusional ramblings of a mad man.

Wrong is still wrong, but if the LAPD is engaging in the activity he claims I want them held responsible too.

I'm sorry but PHOTOGRAPHING THE MUTILATED BODIES OF THE DEAD is equal to "slapped some dude I know"?

No. It's not.

Neither is MURDER equal to "beat some girl up and put her in the hospital". That's the point of reducing the terms. If anything, I probably picked something too lenient for comparison to murder. Maybe if he had left her infertile in the process, it would be an accurate scaling down.

Touche.

I also want the police investigated... LATER. AFTER PEOPLE STOP SIDING WITH A FUCKING SERIAL KILLER AND THEY ARREST HIM.

I agree. Is it siding with him by saying "hey, homeboy might have a point here."?

You know what? Judging from people's reactions in this thread, I'm starting to think that "violent games desensitize people to violence" has a grain (or more) of truth.

Now you're just creating a straw man. A silly one at that. You know thats not true.

The only reason anyone is sympathizing with this guy is his manifesto. He's painted the narrative of the LAPD being corrupt and racist. LAPD in turns didn't do anything to their benefit by shooting at INNOCENT CIVILIANS, clearly showing they want to kill this guy so he doesn't stand trial.

He's a murderer. He needs to be brought to justice. So does the LAPD. This supposed "blue line" shouldn't exist.

 

[lacktheknack]

You say they're bad because they might kill people. Fine. Then you say that they're as bad or worse as the guy who has killed and will kill again.

The forum rules won't let me say what I have to say to you.

Also, do you have family in the police?

No? So you don't know how the hierarchy works. You don't know how the cop punishments go down. You don't know how they get worse when the media comes in. You don't know about the mental breakdowns. You don't know about the rotation of cops in situations just like this. You don't know the various methods that the police have, which have been proven to work in the past.

You. Don't. Know.

So why should I, a dude with a cousin and parent involved with the police force, listen to what you theorize the cops will do next? You can claim "but they'll act on human instinct", and I'll claim the same thing. However, I also claim that the human instinct will have shifted to "hold your fire" by this point.

You're making a lot of assumptions right now. But okay. Assuming I didn't personally know several people working in law enforcement...

I really have no problem with the police in general. They tend to do what's in the people's best interest. And due to the nature of their job, I expect them to be of a higher standard than most other people. Anyone who can't hack it should be thrown on their ass.

When something like this happens, someone's been screwing up royally. And the people that are suppose to protect us are not keeping it together. And when you add the possible corruption, I just can't help but find them to be the cause of this whole mess.

The killer should not have gone after the families. But if what he's saying is true, and the LAPD has created an environment where an individual thinks this is the best option, I find the cops to be as guilty as the murderer.

You're right, I am assuming too much.

But so are you.

Who's to say that they made an atmosphere where it "seemed like the best option" (not even going into the intense idiocy of this statement)? Currently, no one. That's what an official investigation is for.

Innocent until proven guilty.

For all we know, the guy is completely off his damn rocker and everything else just painted a bad picture. At any rate, it's really unlikely that it's nearly as bad as the **** with an axe to grind makes it out to be. We won't know for sure until the investigation concludes.

What we DO know is that three people are dead. And people are marginalizing this.

So I think you're crazy for saying the cops are "equally guilty". Surely you can see my reasoning.

I also want the police investigated... LATER. AFTER PEOPLE STOP SIDING WITH A FUCKING SERIAL KILLER AND THEY ARREST HIM.

I agree. Is it siding with him by saying "hey, homeboy might have a point here."?

No. But the amount that people are fastening on it right now is incredibly callous to the victims, and stupid to boot. We can deal with the corruption later, there's something WAY more important happening right now. This is like talking about what new carpet to buy while the kitchen sink has exploded and spraying water everywhere. I always thought that dead people were of highest priority. Not so much, apparently.

And you can't deny people AREN'T siding with the killer. See: Page one of this thread.

You know what? Judging from people's reactions in this thread, I'm starting to think that "violent games desensitize people to violence" has a grain (or more) of truth.

Now you're just creating a straw man. A silly one at that. You know thats not true.

The only reason anyone is sympathizing with this guy is his manifesto. He's painted the narrative of the LAPD being corrupt and racist. LAPD in turns didn't do anything to their benefit by shooting at INNOCENT CIVILIANS, clearly showing they want to kill this guy so he doesn't stand trial.

He's a murderer. He needs to be brought to justice. So does the LAPD. This supposed "blue line" shouldn't exist.

And the fact that people seem to want to bring LAPD to justice before the serial killer is what baffles and alarms me. Going back to the carpet vs sink analogy, what good is changing the carpet if you're going to let water soak it? The guy is KILLING COPS AND THEIR FAMILIES. If we take the long time it takes to fix an inherently corrupt system, he's going to kill more people (within the system we're trying to fix, no less). I think that we should ensure that he won't kill again (fix the sink) BEFORE we get to the problem of corruption (replacing the carpet). And the fact that human lives hang in the balance (mised with the fact that I'm utterly sick of anti-cop sentiments that pervade this forum) is the catalyst that makes me rage about it in the process.

I guess the video games comment was unnecessary. What I was trying to get across is that it seems that no one in this thread gives a rip about human lives, which is very unfortunate on a gaming forum, but it was probably more inflammatory than I meant it to be.

 

[Shadowstar38]

snip

Psycho's with badges, I feel, are a bigger threat to the world than the guy we have an APB out for. Nothing says we cant go ahead and put them through the justice system while the guys on the force with a brain hunt down the guy they're trying to find.

Nothing is being marginalized. Some posters here just realize there are other things to be worried about here.

 

[lacktheknack]

He's not going postal.. I mean, yeah he sort of is, but if you read his manifesto he's got a shit ton of legit complaints against the LAPD for their corruption and racism.

He's not a pyschopath in the traditional sense.

Yes he is. Complaints aside, you don't kill family members that had exactly zero to do with corruption. He's not a reasonable guy.

Meanwhile the LAPD are firing on innocent civilians in an attempt to kill him.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

Who's the bigger pyschopath? The pyschopath or the guys that are suppose to catch the pyschopath?

That would be the guy intentionally and systematically murdering people.

And yet I'm less scared of him than I am of the ones who are supposed to protecting the people.

Show an ounce of empathy for some policeman's son, daughter, or spouse. Just an ounce. I dare you.

Now see you just assumed I don't. I have sympathy for them the same way I have sympathy for the families all the police and armed forces of any country. The ones I don't have sympathy for are those fucking trigger happy cops. Dude doesn't even have to target anybody anymore, just sit back and watch the LAPD destroy itself. The only reason those four civilians are still alive is because the officers can't aim for shit. Nobody can claim to be reasonable here.

Not what I was getting at.

You say "I'm more terrified of the cops at this point". But face it, you're not THAT scared. You likely don't resemble the suspect, likely don't drive that car, and likely don't do suspicious stuff in broad daylight, and you probably know in the back of your head that the cops are going to be way more careful on who they shoot at now.

However, the family members of the police have no such assurances. They KNOW they're on that hit list, and the only thing that can save them is bringing down the killer right away. They're terrified out of their minds right now, if they're sane. THAT'S what I meant by "show an ounce of sympathy".

And make no mistake, I'm on the cops' side for right now, until the killer is arrested... and then I'm going to do a 180 and demand that investigation be done.

It's just that I (unlike anyone else here, apparently) have a sense of priority and timing.

The timing and the priority should have been before they drove this man away from the law. You honestly think they're going to let him be taken alive? Or that any of his accusations would have been investigated if he had tried going through the "proper" channels?

I have as good a chance to be driving that vehicle, resembling the suspect and doing "something suspicious" as I have being related to Los Angles policeman. And even once this Manhunt has been concluded that the entire city will still be at the mercy of the LAPD. You know what happens when people become so miserable that they lose hope right? They start looking for a way out. And they don't get that far without other people pushing them along.

What, do you live in a movie?

You seriously think there's any way LAPD isn't going to be investigated? They only shot people and have a crazy guy screaming about corruption at them.

I want LAPD investigated as much as anyone. The key here is "LATER". You know, after they've arrested the guy who's gone full-on serial killer. Everyone's going to be screaming for an investigation at this point.

If they don't take him in alive, that's not going to be a point in their favor. In fact, it seems that they're doomed if they kill him, bring him in, or leave him alone.

 

[lacktheknack]

snip

Psycho's with badges, I feel, are a bigger threat to the world than the guy we have an APB out for. Nothing says we cant go ahead and put them through the justice system while the guys on the force with a brain hunt down the guy they're trying to find.

Nothing is being marginalized. Some posters here just realize there are other things to be worried about here.

Corruption and taking photos of corpses != psychotic serial killer.

Corruption and taking photos of corpses < psychotic serial killer.

That said, I do agree that they need to be investigated. The rage of a thousand suns I had on page one were directed at incredibly awful comments like this one:

I hope he wins. The fact that the police are shooting up innocent civs just makes him look even righter.

If they can manage an investigation while still holding a sizable manhunt, then go for it. If people were saying that at the outset, I wouldn't have stormed this thread.

 

[Ryotknife]

He's not going postal.. I mean, yeah he sort of is, but if you read his manifesto he's got a shit ton of legit complaints against the LAPD for their corruption and racism.

He's not a pyschopath in the traditional sense.

Yes he is. Complaints aside, you don't kill family members that had exactly zero to do with corruption. He's not a reasonable guy.

Meanwhile the LAPD are firing on innocent civilians in an attempt to kill him.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

Who's the bigger pyschopath? The pyschopath or the guys that are suppose to catch the pyschopath?

That would be the guy intentionally and systematically murdering people.

And yet I'm less scared of him than I am of the ones who are supposed to protecting the people.

Show an ounce of empathy for some policeman's son, daughter, or spouse. Just an ounce. I dare you.

Now see you just assumed I don't. I have sympathy for them the same way I have sympathy for the families all the police and armed forces of any country. The ones I don't have sympathy for are those fucking trigger happy cops. Dude doesn't even have to target anybody anymore, just sit back and watch the LAPD destroy itself. The only reason those four civilians are still alive is because the officers can't aim for shit. Nobody can claim to be reasonable here.

Not what I was getting at.

You say "I'm more terrified of the cops at this point". But face it, you're not THAT scared. You likely don't resemble the suspect, likely don't drive that car, and likely don't do suspicious stuff in broad daylight, and you probably know in the back of your head that the cops are going to be way more careful on who they shoot at now.

However, the family members of the police have no such assurances. They KNOW they're on that hit list, and the only thing that can save them is bringing down the killer right away. They're terrified out of their minds right now, if they're sane. THAT'S what I meant by "show an ounce of sympathy".

And make no mistake, I'm on the cops' side for right now, until the killer is arrested... and then I'm going to do a 180 and demand that investigation be done.

It's just that I (unlike anyone else here, apparently) have a sense of priority and timing.

The timing and the priority should have been before they drove this man away from the law. You honestly think they're going to let him be taken alive? Or that any of his accusations would have been investigated if he had tried going through the "proper" channels?

I have as good a chance to be driving that vehicle, resembling the suspect and doing "something suspicious" as I have being related to Los Angles policeman. And even once this Manhunt has been concluded that the entire city will still be at the mercy of the LAPD. You know what happens when people become so miserable that they lose hope right? They start looking for a way out. And they don't get that far without other people pushing them along.

What, do you live in a movie?

You seriously think there's any way LAPD isn't going to be investigated? They only shot people and have a crazy guy screaming about corruption at them.

I want LAPD investigated as much as anyone. The key here is "LATER". You know, after they've arrested the guy who's gone full-on serial killer. Everyone's going to be screaming for an investigation at this point.

If they don't take him in alive, that's not going to be a point in their favor. In fact, it seems that they're doomed if they kill him, bring him in, or leave him alone.

An investigation? at least one that will actually accomplish something? wouldnt hold my breathe. The LA riots/Rodney King sparked national outrage and the LAPD managed to skate around that one. It is not a few bad apples, it is a corrupt administration. At best you will get a few sacrifices grunts. Power always protects itself, and the administration probably has quite a bit of political clout.

The LAPD will have to do a lot worse than this to get enough negative attention to actually theaten it. Reports of police brutality and excessive force are commonplace for the LAPD on the national news, let alone what the local news reports.

 

[pnts]

I don't understand people saying that this guy's manifesto doesn't paint him as a psycho. He's a living cartoon character, everyone remember the Knight Templar trope? He stated in his manifesto that he should have killed two officers for exercising their right to free speech in an offensive way. He seems to believe he has an inherent right to respect from other people that is so great that it overpowers all our rights to life and liberty. I remember seeing a tv program on the unibomber where the lawyer explained his case for insanity, that, "His brain was tricking him into believing he was someone important to human history," and this man is obviously very sick because he believes it's a noble cause to kill for matters of honor. In that regard he is a barbarian and people like him need to be reformed or just plain not among civilized people (incarcerated). Just because he can write with coherent grammar and spelling does not make his point valid, he is sick, he is not well and he needs help or he needs to be put down.

Allow me to share a part of his manifesto for those who haven't read it.

'he replied, "I'll say it when I want".___, a friend of his also stated he would say ****** when he wanted. At that point I jumped over my front passenger seat and to other officers where I placed my hands around ___'s neck and squeezed. I stated to ___, "don't fucking say that". At that point there was pushing and shoving and we were separated by several other officers. What I should have done was put a Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet in his skull and ___'s skull. The Situation would have been resolved effective, immediately.'

He does not hold the appropriate value for human life. His honor above another persons freedom and life. Disgusting. He should have simply reported the officer. He's delusional and pretentious and not the right figure head to take on police corruption.

 

[lacktheknack]

I don't understand people saying that this guy's manifesto doesn't paint him as a psycho. He's a living cartoon character, everyone remember the Knight Templar trope? He stated in his manifesto that he should have killed two officers for exercising their right to free speech in an offensive way. He seems to believe he has an inherent right to respect from other people that is so great that it overpowers all our rights to life and liberty. I remember seeing a tv program on the unibomber where the lawyer explained his case for insanity, that, "His brain was tricking him into believing he was someone important to human history," and this man is obviously very sick because he believes it's a noble cause to kill for matters of honor. In that regard he is a barbarian and people like him need to be reformed or just plain not among civilized people (incarcerated). Just because he can write with coherent grammar and spelling does not make his point valid, he is sick, he is not well and he needs help or he needs to be put down.

Allow me to share a part of his manifesto for those who haven't read it.

'he replied, "I'll say it when I want".___, a friend of his also stated he would say ****** when he wanted. At that point I jumped over my front passenger seat and to other officers where I placed my hands around ___'s neck and squeezed. I stated to ___, "don't fucking say that". At that point there was pushing and shoving and we were separated by several other officers. What I should have done was put a Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet in his skull and ___'s skull. The Situation would have been resolved effective, immediately.'

He does not hold the appropriate value for human life. His honor above another persons freedom and life. Disgusting. He should have simply reported the officer. He's delusional and pretentious and not the right figure head to take on police corruption.

....


Yeahhhhhh...

What I was saying about him possibly being entirely off his rocker... It's still very possible.

 

[randomsix]

AT LEAST THE POLICE HAVEN'T KILLED ANYONE.

Ah, I remember when I believed this too. They were simpler times.

OT: The thing about police corruption is that it is often just as dangerous as a murderer. If you have a thousand cops 1% more likely to commit murder due to shoddy training or bad leadership, then that will cause more death than this guy has any hope to.

EDIT: And the problem with fixing the corruption is that the thin blue line often makes it impossible.

 

[Happiness Assassin]

This will not end well. It is already going downhill fast, but there is no possible way that he will be brought in alive. If it doesn't end in the way that these sad stories usually end, I don't see the cops trying to take him alive.

 

[Gilhelmi]

It kind of like the film Rambo but instead of a veteran soldier being mistreated, it's just a former cop (with hidden mental problem) going apeshit to the extreme just because they fired him.
Either way I hope they catch him dead or alive, those people shouldn't have been killed just because he had a bad day for being fired.

He's not going postal.. I mean, yeah he sort of is, but if you read his manifesto he's got a shit ton of legit complaints against the LAPD for their corruption and racism.

He's not a pyschopath in the traditional sense.

Yes he is. One of the people he murdered was a woman who was trying to help him at a hearing.

I agree, there is still corruption in the LAPD but going after their families is only going to deepen the corruption. While at the same time, make the corrupt look more innocent.