LOST: The End -- Thoughts?
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I stopped watching Lost about halfway through Season 2 because i missed 2 episodes and when i watched the next one it was a complete mind fuck and i didn't know what was going on. I'll probably just get the Seasons on DVD..or wait for my mate to get the rest of them because i know he will.
a guy on my floor told me that it was basically all magnets and magic and I just said, "so the writers ran out of ideas?" and he said, "yeah"
I never liked that show. It seemed too, "let's randomly pull this out of our ass" the entire time.
I never liked that show. It seemed too, "let's randomly pull this out of our ass" the entire time.
I've just finished watching it as I had always wondered what was going on in that peculiar show. I had up until now watched maybe 2 episodes, but heard a lot of talk about it. Was it Mystical/Sci-Fi/Limbo/Dream? I felt that anything that had been dragged out for 6 seasons owed its audience an original, never before explored, payoff.
I watched it off Sky+ this afternoon, skipping over all the adverts (including the mind-manglingly daft one that came right as the hero guy jumped into the air to kill the nasty bald guy... Locke? I don't know anyone's names) and concocted my own theory:
The naturalistic reality (Hospital, Party, etc.) is in a parallel universe from the one on the island. Yes, there was a plane crash that meant that everyone who survived it was "Lost", but because the island was all weird and Bermuda Triangle-ish at the same time another reality spawned in which the flight didn't crash and no one 'met'. The driving force for all this weirdness was some kind of quantum electrodynamic nexus in which the two states of reality and, importantly, the quantum fluctuations that underlie human consciousness were tied at least for those trapped on the island. In this way when people who were strangers in the second reality ran into each other at the Hospital they could recover their lost identities through chance physical contact. Strangers would instantly 'flash' on their shared memories and then invite them and unconvinced others to a Party so more connections could be uncovered.
I thought this was original of them and I fully expected some pseudo-technical exposition to be implied as the Lost escaped from their trap, not by physically leaving the island, but by their very consciousnesses jumping into the bodies of those who had naturalistic lives, had never crashed or met and in all probability - would leave their old island bodies in falling into a coma Matrix disconnect style as they recovered the relationships and shared memories they had Lost from a reality and via bodies that were not their own (only appeared so).
But this was not the case.
The naturalistic reality was Limbo. The Island had been real (although Mystical) and as the hero is seen to die and is joined by "dog" - which everyone knows is a backwards-metaphor for 'goD', you get a whole lame Carl Sagan Contact scenario (you know, where Jodie Foster travels to meet aliens and then she runs into the illusion of her dead dad... groan), and then the dumb hero has to have it explained to him that he is dead (so now we're talking The Sixth Sense) and I have to admit that there is quite a nice touch that the stained-glass window behind them in the Chapel of Rest in which lies an empty coffin has just about every faith covered (and probably themes, like yin & yang - i.e. The Light & The Man in Black / Smoke - that have been interwoven throughout the series, making it an unpin-downable post-modern mystic spiritual metaphor involving meaning, humanity, redemption and the after-life), so when he joins the rest of the islanders in the main chapel it is no surprise that when the doors are opened that they "leave" into an incandescent white light and I am still wondering if the wheel symbol on the stained-glass is something to do with the Wheel of Life and they have taken stock of their lives in Limbo, gained wisdom and are ready to Reincarnate en masse...Phew!
In other words the series may as well have been called: Lost souls.
So, I got it completely wrong. Either that, or they did as the whole "they are all dead and in Limbo" notion had already been mooted, so I expected to not have this confirmed, but subverted in some interesting Sci-Fi way.
Just as well I didn't watch the whole series, I would have been peeved.
I watched it off Sky+ this afternoon, skipping over all the adverts (including the mind-manglingly daft one that came right as the hero guy jumped into the air to kill the nasty bald guy... Locke? I don't know anyone's names) and concocted my own theory:
The naturalistic reality (Hospital, Party, etc.) is in a parallel universe from the one on the island. Yes, there was a plane crash that meant that everyone who survived it was "Lost", but because the island was all weird and Bermuda Triangle-ish at the same time another reality spawned in which the flight didn't crash and no one 'met'. The driving force for all this weirdness was some kind of quantum electrodynamic nexus in which the two states of reality and, importantly, the quantum fluctuations that underlie human consciousness were tied at least for those trapped on the island. In this way when people who were strangers in the second reality ran into each other at the Hospital they could recover their lost identities through chance physical contact. Strangers would instantly 'flash' on their shared memories and then invite them and unconvinced others to a Party so more connections could be uncovered.
I thought this was original of them and I fully expected some pseudo-technical exposition to be implied as the Lost escaped from their trap, not by physically leaving the island, but by their very consciousnesses jumping into the bodies of those who had naturalistic lives, had never crashed or met and in all probability - would leave their old island bodies in falling into a coma Matrix disconnect style as they recovered the relationships and shared memories they had Lost from a reality and via bodies that were not their own (only appeared so).
But this was not the case.
The naturalistic reality was Limbo. The Island had been real (although Mystical) and as the hero is seen to die and is joined by "dog" - which everyone knows is a backwards-metaphor for 'goD', you get a whole lame Carl Sagan Contact scenario (you know, where Jodie Foster travels to meet aliens and then she runs into the illusion of her dead dad... groan), and then the dumb hero has to have it explained to him that he is dead (so now we're talking The Sixth Sense) and I have to admit that there is quite a nice touch that the stained-glass window behind them in the Chapel of Rest in which lies an empty coffin has just about every faith covered (and probably themes, like yin & yang - i.e. The Light & The Man in Black / Smoke - that have been interwoven throughout the series, making it an unpin-downable post-modern mystic spiritual metaphor involving meaning, humanity, redemption and the after-life), so when he joins the rest of the islanders in the main chapel it is no surprise that when the doors are opened that they "leave" into an incandescent white light and I am still wondering if the wheel symbol on the stained-glass is something to do with the Wheel of Life and they have taken stock of their lives in Limbo, gained wisdom and are ready to Reincarnate en masse...Phew!
In other words the series may as well have been called: Lost souls.
So, I got it completely wrong. Either that, or they did as the whole "they are all dead and in Limbo" notion had already been mooted, so I expected to not have this confirmed, but subverted in some interesting Sci-Fi way.
Just as well I didn't watch the whole series, I would have been peeved.
Personally, I liked the ending and loved the show the entire way through, which I know isn't the sort of thing you say to blend in with the cool forum kids who bash on everything, but hey.
However, I realized this after the credits rolled, and I think it may have ruined Lost for me:
It was a Hellmouth.
The only reason Buffy never showed up was she couldn't afford air fare.
However, I realized this after the credits rolled, and I think it may have ruined Lost for me:
It was a Hellmouth.
The only reason Buffy never showed up was she couldn't afford air fare.
I enjoyed it a lot actually. I thought they focused on what was more important: the emotional payoffs, as opposed to an unneeded explanation of the mysticism of the island. Besides, it wasn't that obtuse or anything, it's the most easy to follow lost I've ever seen. Makes me wanna go watch the entire season again. I would have liked to know what Walt's whole deal was, but I'm sure there's an explanation somewhere. I didn't even think about it till after.
I was surprised that no one remembered Philip Dick's "Ubik". Guess ain't that many peoples reading books this days. To be honest, since the first episode of "Lost", i was expecting it to turn out exactly like "Ubik" - everyone is actually dead and its a dream/illusion w/e. Too obvious and kinda disappointing (for me).
Usually, i get that feeling of "awe", when i finish watching/reading/playing some "grand" game/show/book... didn't happen this time:/
Usually, i get that feeling of "awe", when i finish watching/reading/playing some "grand" game/show/book... didn't happen this time:/
I get that the writers said they would stick wit hthe main thread of the show, which they did. It was Redemption and Atonement, by the way.
But they can't possibly pretend that the Island itself was almost a character on its own right. to let go of a opportunity to develop that was a waste of a good plot point. It sounds to me like they really were going to go for it, but lost their trail of thought halfway through.
Too many parallel plots with lossely defined connections might od that to you.
Despite that, there was a great quantity of memorable heartfelt acting and dialogue, and what a exercise on subtlety detection it was. It made me more aware of symbolic and psychological details in a narrative.
Love how the haters have very little to say about it despite a few poorly placed insults. Hate how the fans are the ones to blaim for it having so many haters.
Honestly, it would be easier to ignore a show you simply didn't care about if so many fans didn't make such a big deal about it.
But as the years go by, I believe the hate will subside and it will be remembered by its qualities. And it will be great, as long the critics don't forget that it had flaws too.
It sure as hell rose the bar for what quality writing in TV should be measured against (yeah, right... television will mostly suck, business as usual).
But they can't possibly pretend that the Island itself was almost a character on its own right. to let go of a opportunity to develop that was a waste of a good plot point. It sounds to me like they really were going to go for it, but lost their trail of thought halfway through.
Too many parallel plots with lossely defined connections might od that to you.
Despite that, there was a great quantity of memorable heartfelt acting and dialogue, and what a exercise on subtlety detection it was. It made me more aware of symbolic and psychological details in a narrative.
Love how the haters have very little to say about it despite a few poorly placed insults. Hate how the fans are the ones to blaim for it having so many haters.
Honestly, it would be easier to ignore a show you simply didn't care about if so many fans didn't make such a big deal about it.
But as the years go by, I believe the hate will subside and it will be remembered by its qualities. And it will be great, as long the critics don't forget that it had flaws too.
It sure as hell rose the bar for what quality writing in TV should be measured against (yeah, right... television will mostly suck, business as usual).
Ok i watched the 1st 2 seasons but got pissed off about all the plot twists and NOTHING ever being wrapped up. Just a continuous stream of twists and surprises.
I'm guessing in the end they had no choice but to wrap it up as "And then they woke up" because there was actually no way the could wrap it up without a full stop at the end like that.
The thing I don't get is if they are all dead... and had been dead since the plane crash. Then why the hell is the baby in that room with them? Didn't it get born after the crash?
I'm guessing in the end they had no choice but to wrap it up as "And then they woke up" because there was actually no way the could wrap it up without a full stop at the end like that.
The thing I don't get is if they are all dead... and had been dead since the plane crash. Then why the hell is the baby in that room with them? Didn't it get born after the crash?
I just finished watching Lost. And to be honest the ending was a disapointment, it could of ended in better ways. The most interesting unanswered aspects of the show were how the Island was created with the light, Dharma Initiative(in a way) and Richard Albert, until like we found out about Jacob and the 'Others' mistery was answered.
Overall, season 6 was just about tieing the knott and concluding everything. I didnt expect it to be like the other seasons. It was a really good series. I would love for there to be a Revelations season about how the Dharma found the Island, how the Others got to be there(People from Black Rock died remember) and like how the island was created and the first person EVER to be on the Island and how God or whomever tought them about the Light and that.
Overall, season 6 was just about tieing the knott and concluding everything. I didnt expect it to be like the other seasons. It was a really good series. I would love for there to be a Revelations season about how the Dharma found the Island, how the Others got to be there(People from Black Rock died remember) and like how the island was created and the first person EVER to be on the Island and how God or whomever tought them about the Light and that.