Luftrausers Isn't About Nazis But Vlambeer Is Sorry Anyway

[Elijin]

Remember that one time where a group ruined an aesthetic style for generations after their fall?

 

[Amaror]

People who are offended by Nazi references should get over it.

WWII was almost a century ago, and has already been exploited for entertainment so much that the presence of Nazis in media is almost inescapable, unless you live in a bubble (or Germany, where even depicting the swastika in works of fiction is forbidden. Morons.).

Wrong. Before you start throwing accussations around you might want to get your facts straight first.
The Stastika isn't forbidden in works of fiction in Germany. The display of the Swastika is forbidden in general, but it is excepted in anything that is art, science or education.
Fiction as in books or movies is considered art and is therefore excepted by this law.
The very point of the law is not to pretend like the nazis never happened. The Law itself outlaws the Nazi party. Outlawing a party makes any propaganda for that party illegal. Public showing of the swastika, were it isn't excepted by the above rules, counts as propaganda and is therefore forbidden.
The problem with games is that they are not universally seen as art. BUT this has never actually been tried. The Publishers are in general just too scared that they might not get an usk approval, so they cut this kind of thing out beforehand. As far as i am concerned there hasn't been a case were a game was banned because of the showing of the swastika for decades. Mostly because nobody tried.

Don't pretend like you know something about my country when you actually don't. If there's one country that constantly makes everyone aware how ashamed we should feel for the third reich it's germany.

 

[SidheKnight]

People who are offended by Nazi references should get over it.

WWII was almost a century ago, and has already been exploited for entertainment so much that the presence of Nazis in media is almost inescapable, unless you live in a bubble (or Germany, where even depicting the swastika in works of fiction is forbidden. Morons.).

Wrong. Before you start throwing accussations around you might want to get your facts straight first.
The Stastika isn't forbidden in works of fiction in Germany. The display of the Swastika is forbidden in general, but it is excepted in anything that is art, science or education.
Fiction as in books or movies is considered art and is therefore excepted by this law.
The very point of the law is not to pretend like the nazis never happened. The Law itself outlaws the Nazi party. Outlawing a party makes any propaganda for that party illegal. Public showing of the swastika, were it isn't excepted by the above rules, counts as propaganda and is therefore forbidden.
The problem with games is that they are not universally seen as art. BUT this has never actually been tried. The Publishers are in general just too scared that they might not get an usk approval, so they cut this kind of thing out beforehand. As far as i am concerned there hasn't been a case were a game was banned because of the showing of the swastika for decades. Mostly because nobody tried.

Don't pretend like you know something about my country when you actually don't. If there's one country that constantly makes everyone aware how ashamed we should feel for the third reich it's germany.

You're right. I didn't know that. Sorry.

I did know Germany does try to remind everyone of how ashamed they are of nazism, I never claimed that they try to pretend it never happened. But since censorship laws for videogames in Germany are more strict than in the rest of Europe, I just asumed that the no-swastikas thing was part of that, kind of like the "no red blood" thing.

 

[Amaror]

You're right. I didn't know that. Sorry.

I did know Germany does try to remind everyone of how ashamed they are of nazism, I never claimed that they try to pretend it never happened. But since censorship laws for videogames in Germany are more strict than in the rest of Europe, I just asumed that the no-swastikas thing was part of that, kind of like the "no red blood" thing.

It's no problem, everyone can be wrong sometimes.
I am just a bit sensitive about people misunderstanding the swastika thing after the Stick of Truth incident.

 

[Ihateregistering1]

I don't get it, there have been literally dozens of games made in which you can play as the actual Nazis (Close Combat, Company of Heroes, Hearts of Iron, Codename: Panzers, Soldiers: Heroes of WW2, etc.) and I don't remember anyone ever complaining about it, but now that a game is made in which you play as someone who just looks like a Nazi, people are upset?

One day, people will run out of things to be upset about, and I'm convinced the planet will collapse in on itself.

 

[cikame]

I'm offended by Nazi's... for sure... but are we honestly going to ignore history and our freedoms to parody a visual art style?
Freedom being an important word there because better men than us fought and died for it, the fact that some people can be mad about the visuals of an arcade style shoot em up is silly to me on its own, but restricting peoples creative freedom aswell?
Give it a rest.

 

[Alssadar]

Personally, I always have a weakness for wwII games where you get to play as the germans. There are so many games where you play as the allied forces, it has gotten a bit boring. I had no interest in that rts wwII game (can't remember the name of it right now) until they had an axis campaign. Battlefield 1942, always played ze germans. Even crappy movies like "the bunker" get a little more interesting because the main characters are germans.

Trying to remove the "bad guys" from games like this only makes them more "exotic" so to speak.

I am fully aware that in real life, the nazis were scum, but there is still a bit of fascination of playing as the bad-guy, just like i prefer playing as the empire in star wars, whenever i get the chance. Sorry if any rebels get offended

There is no problem with liking the Wermacht. They were an efficient fighting force with the willpower, technology, and support staff to engage in a war across Europe. In fact, the worst thing to happen to the Wermacht was Hitler, as his political decisions screwed them.
One can respect the Germans and what they did. I must admit: those uniforms looked awesome, and they were a superb military force at the beginning of the war. My grandfather, who was in the Navy in WWII, admits he had respect for the German people for their industry and engineering excellence.
I also like playing as the Wermacht and the Empire. German weapons are fantastic, and Rebels are scum.
Also, were you thinking of Company of Heroes? It took an expansion for them to include a German campaign.

 

[Gronk]

Also, were you thinking of Company of Heroes? It took an expansion for them to include a German campaign.

Yup, that's the one, thanks. I couldn't think of the title at the moment of writing. I actually never tried the axis campaign, by the time they released it, the moment had sort of passed and other games were beckoning. So I have no idea if it was any good or not.