LulzSec hacked by Team Posion

[Lilani]

This whole story reeks of irony and schadenfreude.

Off topic, this Xeed guy needs to lighten up and stop trying to espouse his silly anarchistic agenda.

I am not an anarchist. I am a socialist libertarian, which I believe anarchism would naturally blossom into.

1. people need food, water, energy, etc.

2. sharing all resources and knowledge allows maximum cooperative efficiency

3. creating an abundance of all our needs makes money, gov, crime obsolete

4. automating the production distribution, frees up humanity to no longer be wage slaves to governments or corporations

These four points would be recognized by direct democracy that is connected by the internet; 99% of the world's problems would quickly evaporate.

I'm afraid I have some bad news for you: Even if you provide every single person on the planet with everything they could ever possibly need or desire, crime and disorder will still exist. People will always commit crimes. People will always want to hurt each other, for some reason or another. It doesn't matter if they live in a penthouse suite made of pure gold--people will be people, and inevitably somebody is going to want someone dead.

Also, if money is obsolete, why on earth would people want to work? Why would anyone want to spend time helping to maintain these facilities and fix things when they break beyond the point that automated systems can repair them? Who will continue to learn and know about what runs these automated facilities, in case something needs to be replaced or upgraded.

Oh, and that's another thing: what about technological development? How does that fit into your utopian society? Do these fully automated facilities that apparently find and gather raw materials, process them, and ship them with no human oversight necessary even in the most catastrophic meltdown situations, what about growth? Can they build buildings too? Can they be altered and changed by users to fit their needs?

And now that has got me wondering: What happens if, say, all of this does exist and nobody is required to actually learn to maintain the facilities and be obligated to help when things break (since, you know, jobs, government, and money don't exist) and some yahoo decides to sabotage it. For no reason at all, for shits and giggles. For the "Lulz," if you will. Catastrophic meltdowns everywhere, and nobody knows how to fix anything because nobody is required or expected to do anything. What then? A total collapse of society?

Oh, wait. I bet that will be anticipated by the big facilities too, right? To stop and prevent the actions of saboteurs. But...wait a minute...that sounds a lot like a government, doesn't it? Hm...

BUT! Who am I kidding. You're just bein' a little troll, aren't you? Stirring people up because this LulzSec thing is the hot topic right now. How cute. Either way, they'll be setting sail for jail soon, so we have very little to worry about. Have a good night~

 

[Lewieroo0]

This will be quite interesting, i personally hope that Team Poison wins over LulzSec, though at the same time i hope that IF they win that they won't end up in the same "boat" as LulzSec, turning them into hypocrites.

 

[duchaked]

I...ah the modern world of computers and Internet we live in...but yeah I'm starting to get turned around with all this hacking (and/or "hacking") going on by all these groups heh...I'll just step out quietly now heh

 

[xeed]

I'm afraid I have some bad news for you: Even if you provide every single person on the planet with everything they could ever possibly need or desire, crime and disorder will still exist. People will always commit crimes. People will always want to hurt each other, for some reason or another. It doesn't matter if they live in a penthouse suite made of pure gold--people will be people, and inevitably somebody is going to want someone dead.

Which is why I said 99% and not 100%.

Also, if money is obsolete, why on earth would people want to work? Why would anyone want to spend time helping to maintain these facilities and fix things when they break beyond the point that automated systems can repair them? Who will continue to learn and know about what runs these automated facilities, in case something needs to be replaced or upgraded.

People, despite what has been drummed into you since childhood, do not have to be motivated by money to work. The motivations that should be for work, would be in this system: Work for purpose, for creative outlet, for cooperation and for accomplishment. I believe Japan and China are very close to perfecting this but of course they are harried by those in power.

People are not as assholish as you think.

Oh, and that's another thing: what about technological development? How does that fit into your utopian society? Do these fully automated facilities that apparently find and gather raw materials, process them, and ship them with no human oversight necessary even in the most catastrophic meltdown situations, what about growth? Can they build buildings too? Can they be altered and changed by users to fit their needs?

Eventually technology will allow 99% automation, until then, yes, there will need to be lots of human oversight. You see we can eliminate a shit load of jobs and allow for automation with a smaller number of people working in oversight, but we are not because that would cause our current system to collapse.

And now that has got me wondering: What happens if, say, all of this does exist and nobody is required to actually learn to maintain the facilities and be obligated to help when things break (since, you know, jobs, government, and money don't exist) and some yahoo decides to sabotage it. For no reason at all, for shits and giggles. For the "Lulz," if you will. Catastrophic meltdowns everywhere, and nobody knows how to fix anything because nobody is required or expected to do anything. What then? A total collapse in society?

When did I ever say nobody is expected to do anything? People would seek education and work they enjoy or feel purposeful doing. As long as a necessary function exists, in a properly educated society there will be people pursuing the education to fulfill that function.

Oh, wait. I bet that will be anticipated by the big facilities too, right? To stop and prevent the actions of saboteurs. But...wait a minute...that sounds a lot like a government, doesn't it? Hm...

No, that sounds like law enforcement, which is not "government" as it does not actually "govern", but serves the people.

 

[Tdc2182]

Yes this is the 1902843102th time lulzsec got pwned and its definitely legit because something must make losers feel better about themselves and whats best than hearing that someone that is better than them(l33t haxor skillz lul u dont haz) get pwned....

humans in order to feel better about their sad self (through comparison)they will degrade everyone who is against them and/or hurts them. They will nitpick everything they can find, they are gonna attack him for his area of residence to his "gramer" and ethics

For that simple reason, i support lulzsec. because ppl like them shouldnt exist and lulzsec shouldnt even be a problem to care about. But if they get annoyed by something they shouldnt even care they deserve to suffer as much as the greedy companies they target

That's an extremely backwards opinion you have there.

I think you don't understand why exactly people hate them. For one, they destroyed a bunch of gamers hobby for a good month, and the reason they presented was completely weak. Sure, they attack greedy companies. But by comparison, the companies they attack only end up truly hurting the consumer.

I don't give two fucks that I can't hack, and I have no intention of ever doing so or caring to do so. Plus, there is no need to degrade them. Someone who ruins my entertainment (though admittedly, I don't own a PS3) purely for "the lulz" is a complete assbag. It's barely even an opinion.

Why should we not care about it? If my swimming pool was closed down because a group of kids kept dumping poisonous chemicals in it for fun, I have every damn right to be pissed at them. If something you loved to do in your downtime was destroyed, you'd most likely whine more than the people on here. I'm sure if I took the time to look through your posts I could find something you bitched about.

Your point is completely moot.

 

[Catalyst6]

Finally. I hope Anon joins in on this. Moral of this story: just because you can, doesn't mean it's funny.

And the worst part is that they CAN'T. It's like the ten-year-old that downloads the LOIC and calls himself a leet haxorz.

In my not-so-humble opinion, script kiddies are just crap.

 

[Tdc2182]

2. sharing all resources and knowledge allows maximum cooperative efficiency

But holding knowledge and resources mean that you now have something that others want to gain, meaning others would want a price for.

3. creating an abundance of all our needs makes money, gov, crime obsolete

Well, now you have an abundance of all our needs. A criminal gets a hold of of something, he now has a bargaining point. This is a vicious cycle that can be repeated.

4. automating the production distribution, frees up humanity to no longer be wage slaves to governments or corporations

That's true Marxism(unless I am mistaking what you are saying, which is likely), and that only works when everyone can come to terms with humanities flaws, which won't happen.

These four points would be recognized by direct democracy that is connected by the internet; 99% of the world's problems would quickly evaporate.

And then Hell freezes over.

I'm sorry, but these points all rely on people becoming... well, robots who cannot commit a crime. It's a fairy tale.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Wait Lulzsec are script kiddies? Well fuck me running, those scripts must be getting damn good.

 

[Hristo Tzonkov]

A real underground hacking team doesn't publically announce shit like this.If they don't post pics or something I'll lol quite a lot.Go Lulzboat!

 

[crop52]

See now THIS is lulzy.

 

[Booze Zombie]

Hopefully this amazing amount of chaos will make people get shit together.

 

[xeed]

But holding knowledge and resources mean that you now have something that others want to gain, meaning others would want a price for.

Why would others want to gain the knowledge and resources you have if they have access to it themselves, free of charge?

Well, now you have an abundance of all our needs. A criminal gets a hold of of something, he now has a bargaining point. This is a vicious cycle that can be repeated.

Again, why would anyone try to get a hold of something they already have? Even if someone did go on a stealing spree that would probably be highly uncommon and the person in question is probably mentally ill.

That's true Marxism(unless I am mistaking what you are saying, which is likely), and that only works when everyone can come to terms with humanities flaws, which won't happen.

Marxism is the advocacy of the means of production being controlled by the "working class" (the dictatorial "working class" party). It functions within a monetary system. Libertarian socialism is a far cry from Marxism.

And then Hell freezes over.

I'm sorry, but these points all rely on people becoming... well, robots who cannot commit a crime. It's a fairy tale.

No. This system would free human beings in almost every way imaginable.

 

[Hristo Tzonkov]

Yes this is the 1902843102th time lulzsec got pwned and its definitely legit because something must make losers feel better about themselves and whats best than hearing that someone that is better than them(l33t haxor skillz lul u dont haz) get pwned....

humans in order to feel better about their sad self (through comparison)they will degrade everyone who is against them and/or hurts them. They will nitpick everything they can find, they are gonna attack him for his area of residence to his "gramer" and ethics

For that simple reason, i support lulzsec. because ppl like them shouldnt exist and lulzsec shouldnt even be a problem to care about. But if they get annoyed by something they shouldnt even care they deserve to suffer as much as the greedy companies they target

That's an extremely backwards opinion you have there.

I think you don't understand why exactly people hate them. For one, they destroyed a bunch of gamers hobby for a good month, and the reason they presented was completely weak. Sure, they attack greedy companies. But by comparison, the companies they attack only end up truly hurting the consumer.

I don't give two fucks that I can't hack, and I have no intention of ever doing so or caring to do so. Plus, there is no need to degrade them. Someone who ruins my entertainment (though admittedly, I don't own a PS3) purely for "the lulz" is a complete assbag. It's barely even an opinion.

Why should we not care about it? If my swimming pool was closed down because a group of kids kept dumping poisonous chemicals in it for fun, I have every damn right to be pissed at them. If something you loved to do in your downtime was destroyed, you'd most likely whine more than the people on here. I'm sure if I took the time to look through your posts I could find something you bitched about.

Your point is completely moot.

You do know that a group that publically announces everything they do would probably say that they hacked the PS3.Someone did it to steal credit cards,not for the lulz.

 

[Lightning Delight]

Bwahahahahaha!!! Revenge! I bet they aren't laughing now!

On the other hand, this may very well start some sort of hacking war. Everyone, safety helmets on.

 

[Knight Templar]

No. This system would free human beings in almost every way imaginable.

Except for the minor issue that it can't be done, sure.

 

[Vangaurd227]

Ladys and gentlementalmen! Place yer bets right here!right now! who will win?.......hopefully team poison

 

[Tdc2182]

You do know that a group that publically announces everything they do would probably say that they hacked the PS3.Someone did it to steal credit cards,not for the lulz.

No, I do not know that because it's not true.

Seeing how they publicly announce almost everything they do (including hacking the PS3) before hand, I think it's safe to assume that they are the actual hackers that did actually steal the credit card information.

They did it because they can. Which is pretty much what they mean by "lulz".

Anything else unintelligent you want to say?

 

[marurder]

The best thing governments can do now is say nothing and try not to get involved in any way. Let the internet communities duke it out.

 

[xeed]

No. This system would free human beings in almost every way imaginable.

Except for the minor issue that it can't be done, sure.

Why don't you think it can be done?

Greeks, Arabs and Spaniards are currently fighting hard to remove their governments and replace them with libertarian socialist ideals.

 

[RaNDM G]

I don't even care any more. Hackers have been getting too much publicity lately.