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[Baby Tea]

Err, yeah. Can we please not even entertain the thought of discussing Macs in the area of games? It's too painful for even me to watch unfold.

Oh come on.

Out of the realm of legitimate debate and into personal preference?

 

[Jamanticus]

Err, yeah. Can we please not even entertain the thought of discussing Macs in the area of games? It's too painful for even me to watch unfold.

Oh come on.

Out of the realm of legitimate debate and into personal preference?

You mean the other way round, right? It's not a question as to whether MACs are anywhere near PCs in terms of game compatibility and stability. MACs lose to PCs, hands down.

I don't have any facts or figures at the moment, but I'm sure Eggo will.

EDIT: What Eggo said.

 

[Baby Tea]

There is no legitimate debate about Mac gaming.


Just like all the official support for the latest Nvidia and ATI cards (hell, even the ones that came out half a year ago), it doesn't exist.

I'm not saying it's on par with PC gaming. Not at all.
What I am saying (And what I exactly said) is that, ever so slowly, Macs are getting more gamer friendly. It may be darn slow, but it's true.

I still fail to see how a commonly pretentious user base, stupid ads, and lack of game support make Macs 'shitty' and 'stupid'. Why all the hate? Why can't we just get along?

 

[TylerC]

I hate, however, how the new windows ads are a complete ripoff of the mac ads.

They're supposed to be...

 

[Baby Tea]

When you don't have full support for mid-range to high-end graphics cards which are well over 6 months old, your computer gaming platform is dead.

Macs aren't shitty or stupid; they're the same exact thing as PCs. They're equals.

Macs aren't calling themselves a gaming platform, though. That's not the niche they are trying to fill. They are adding more support (slowly) to older games, sure. But they aren't trying to be a gaming platform.

But besides that, I like the fact that someone can finally say they are equals. Throw this elitist BS behind us. Both sides need to just chill out...and switch to Linux.
HA! Sorry, couldn't resist!

 

[geizr]

Err, yeah. Can we please not even entertain the thought of discussing Macs in the area of games? It's too painful for even me to watch unfold.

Oh come on.

Out of the realm of legitimate debate and into personal preference?

There is no legitimate debate about Mac gaming.


Just like all the official support for the latest Nvidia and ATI cards (hell, even the ones that came out half a year ago), it doesn't exist.

I use my mac for gaming simply because I have not had enough interest in dealing with a PC again, yet. Even so, I will agree that no mac user should be under any delusions about the fitness of a mac vs a PC for gaming; PCs currently are better for gaming, period. That said, it turns out that the mac hardware is capable of providing an adequate gaming experience for some, while the more hardcore, top-performance minded gamers will find the experience woefully lacking(anything less than 60+ fps with all settings maxed, including anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering, is unacceptable). Given that one can buy a single machine and be able to run Mac OS X, Linux, and obtain a reasonable gaming experience under Windows(via bootcamp; virtualization sucks for gaming), the mac is not entirely an unreasonable choice for some individuals.

While the mac is definitely lacking in support for the latest graphics cards, this is a situation that is not guaranteed to be permanent. Though that doesn't really change the current status, I say it because, in my opinion, the real last barrier is the support for graphics cards.

 

[dekkarax]

When will people learn that it doesn't matter what OS they have; it will always find a way to crash spectacularly simply because they can.

 

[geizr]

The thing is...The last card to be supported by Apple was the 8800GT and that was a mid-range card over a year ago.

A year is an eon when it comes to gaming, especially when we're talking about mid-range cards and your computer costs as much as a standard Mac Pro does (~$2800). A $2800 computer should last you three to four years in terms of being able to play games well.

Considering a Mac Pro doesn't do anything better (outside of a very small handful of programs that actually can utilize dual quad cores) than a Windows machine which costs half as much, it's a very bad performance/value proposition unless you have a really strong preference for an Apple OS X computer.

You'll get no debate from me about the need and desire for Apple to increase graphics card support on the mac. However, on the cost issue, there is something to think about. Mac Pros are not really desktop class machines; they are workstation class machines. This can be seen in the fact they use Xeon processors instead of Core 2 Duo or the newer Core i7. Xeon processors are hideously expensive, regardless if you use them in a mac or a PC. In the comparison of a workstation vs a desktop, a workstation is usually much more expensive, regardless if we are talking mac or otherwise.

 

[Enigmers]

I think they're kind of funny but I really don't think it is worth fighting over. Macs are better! No PCs are better! shut up both of you! You people ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

Sorry for having an opinion and expressing it to people who disagree with me, then, although I'm pretty sure that's what a forum is for in the first place: to, you know, TALK ABOUT THINGS.

In this case there are two groups of people talking with each group disagreeing with the other. Just because we disagree and are willing to talk about it should not make us ashamed of ourselves; if everybody liked the same things then we all might as well be robots.

 

[pantsoffdanceoff]

I agree, honestly I really like the right click button.
MAC: Oh but you can just press alt+f6+mysterious button you cant see on the screen+ triple click
SANE PPL: Why cant you just put it on the mouse?
MAC: BECUASE WE'RE COLORFUL! BUY THIRD PARTY STUFF TO MAKE US FUNCTIONAL um.. VISTA
Vista isn't really all that bad except for some java compiling programs I've had.

 

[Woe Is You]

Err, the Mighty Mouse has right click support :\

I just wish it had some discrete buttons.

Does the wheel (well... ball) still shit itself over after a short while?

 

[pantsoffdanceoff]

Err, the Mighty Mouse has right click support :\

I just wish it had some discrete buttons.

Yeah but it's not standard and thus I can't count it, all the MAC computers I have to use in my digital rendering classes don't have right clicks and barfs sunshine in face, sunshine I don't want.. I live in Seattle for a reason.

 

[Deadman Walkin]

How dare you imply an advertisement could somehow be biased torward the product it's attempting to sell!

I know eh? Seriously, an ad boasting about their product to increase their profit? Pfft, thats the fourth dimension!

 

[geizr]

Unfortunately though, with its lack of support for Nvidia's latest and greatest Quadro CX and FX5800 workstation cards, the Mac Pro isn't even that great of a workstation for some of the biggest applications around. But I guess that goes back to your first sentence

I can argue that that's not entirely true, about the Mac Pro not being that great a workstation. I'm sure you are aware that the point of a workstation is not necessarily to do any single task very fast but to be able to do many tasks without slowing down. If my work-flow is focused on a single task, say applying a filter in Photoshop, then I would agree that it is much better to get a desktop PC and put a high-end card into it. However, if your work-flow involves performing many different tasks simultaneously and you can't afford stalls in that work-flow, then you definitely want a true workstation class machine. By your own admission that a Mac Pro is cheaper than other similarly specced workstations, then it doesn't make such a bad buy if it is able to do the job. Plus, there are other consideration people may have when purchasing a Mac Pro system, other than the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Marketing Field?.

 

[geizr]

I agree, honestly I really like the right click button.
MAC: Oh but you can just press alt+f6+mysterious button you cant see on the screen+ triple click
SANE PPL: Why cant you just put it on the mouse?
MAC: BECUASE WE'RE COLORFUL! BUY THIRD PARTY STUFF TO MAKE US FUNCTIONAL um.. VISTA
Vista isn't really all that bad except for some java compiling programs I've had.

If you have a three-button USB mouse lying around, you can plug that in and use that. If you want more buttons, say a 5-button mouse, the only one I know that has mac drivers is the DeathAdder by Razor(I have one, and it's a very nice mouse, in my opinion).

I hear this complaint about macs not supporting more than one button on a mouse all the time. It's actually not true. The mac does support up to a 3-button mouse, with scroll wheel. I have several such mice(two of which are track-balls) that I use on my macs.

 

[geizr]

A standard Mac Pro is cheaper than other workstations, certainly, but a quadcore workstation packing a Quadro CX or FX5800 will blow apart a standard Mac Pro in many different tasks simultaneously.

On graphics intensive tasks, certainly, but not all tasks are such. It's a trade-off consideration. I can buy a machine that is adequate to the task and use the money for other things, or I can buy the über-machine.

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to convince you, or anyone else, that you should buy a mac(you as well as others are clearly dead set against ever doing that). I'm just trying to make the point that there are valid, intelligent reasons why people buy one. It's not just stupidity, insanity, or herd-mentality that make people buy macs. However, the condescension of this thread, with the exception of a few, seems to be that only complete brain-dead idiots or the hypnotized would ever buy a mac.

 

[Bored Tomatoe]

How dare you imply an advertisement could somehow be biased torward the product it's attempting to sell!

I know eh? Seriously, an ad boasting about their product to increase their profit? Pfft, thats the fourth dimension!

The mac ads don't boast about their product, they bash another product.

 

[Deadman Walkin]

I know eh? Seriously, an ad boasting about their product to increase their profit? Pfft, thats the fourth dimension!

The mac ads don't boast about their product, they bash another product.

Potato Potatoes. Looks the same, means the exact same thing (basically) and really doesn't change the meaning. They bash and boast, sounds like a Christmas feast eh? They put down the PC for being a nerd, and they boast about being way better in "this" or "that/"

 

[AceDiamond]

P.S. iPods aren't cool, end of story. It's a hard drive with music playing software and a fancy name slapped on. Any other MP3 player on Earth does the same damn thing, so why spend bundles of money on a name?

I used to think that. I trie three different MP3 players. A Creative Zen micro, a Creative V+ and a Sandisk something-or-other.
The Zen micro's solder joints in the headphone socket went dodgy so there was no sound. The V+ crashed constantly and the Sandisk did both.
There's a reason everybody buys ipods. They work properly.

I didn't realize that having a battery designed to shit itself after a year and resetting twice in 30 minutes for no conceivable reason constitutes "working properly".

The iPods are the biggest sham foisted by Apple upon the masses since their "Mighty Mouse" where they attempted to claim they had invented a two-button mouse with a scroll wheel despite that being around since the late 90s.

And I hate these ads so much, they do no advertising about Mac OSX anymore, instead spending time bashing Vista. The ultimate irony being that my roommate who got a Mac has to use his Windows partition to do his modeling in 3DS Max.

Way to be the failboat of suck, Apple. Oh and by the way, no I don't think your feature to hide all the windows in the borders of the desktop every time my mouse cursor gets within the remote area of the corner of the screen is helpful, especially when I'm trying to click the fucking Apple logo.

 

[Rusty Bucket]

P.S. iPods aren't cool, end of story. It's a hard drive with music playing software and a fancy name slapped on. Any other MP3 player on Earth does the same damn thing, so why spend bundles of money on a name?

I used to think that. I trie three different MP3 players. A Creative Zen micro, a Creative V+ and a Sandisk something-or-other.
The Zen micro's solder joints in the headphone socket went dodgy so there was no sound. The V+ crashed constantly and the Sandisk did both.
There's a reason everybody buys ipods. They work properly.

I didn't realize that having a battery designed to shit itself after a year and resetting twice in 30 minutes for no conceivable reason constitutes "working properly".

The iPods are the biggest sham foisted by Apple upon the masses since their "Mighty Mouse" where they attempted to claim they had invented a two-button mouse with a scroll wheel despite that being around since the late 90s.

And I hate these ads so much, they do no advertising about Mac OSX anymore, instead spending time bashing Vista. The ultimate irony being that my roommate who got a Mac has to use his Windows partition to do his modeling in 3DS Max.

Way to be the failboat of suck, Apple. Oh and by the way, no I don't think your feature to hide all the windows in the borders of the desktop every time my mouse cursor gets within the remote area of the corner of the screen is helpful, especially when I'm trying to click the fucking Apple logo.

well, i've had my ipod video for just over a year now and nothing has ever gone wrong with it. It's worked perfectly all the time.