Mac vs. PC and no, this is not a poll, kinda

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

Ah, dangerous thread indeed.

Ok, your first and less dangerous question, I like my PC better because I still have some semblance of control. I can change out parts and mess around with it if I wish which is brilliant, because I brought the damn thing.

Aside from that, my computer can currently run every game ever on max settings and its only cost me £400. If I want this kind of power from a mac, i'm looking at the very least a £200 markup.

Your second question? I don't think mac sucks, I think most of its users do. I have a teacher who will laugh at all the windows users in his class all the time while talking about his mac and how he got snow leopard or something like that (can't really remember the name). When asked what was so different about it, he just told me that it just is. It was really childish.

This same guy went on to tell me to grow up for thinking I could go to uni. Prick.

ah this, very much so, my old roommate was a mac fanatic and me and my other roommate are "proficient" pc gamers, and he would go on and on all the damn time about his annoying ass mac laptop (which we got his mom to tell us, she spent 3000 dollars on the damn thing, while me and my other friend only spent 800-100 dollars on ours and just speed wise, for rendering and such, ours still ran better) and he would do the SAME damn thing with leopard...god the one time he had an error and his mac failed like a fat kid running track, we gave him so much shit that he actually got knocked down a peg or two on the mac scale to "somewhat snotty, but normal enough to see mac isn't the end all be all"

My main problem with Macs is the price. My mother once contemplated buying me a Macbook for college, the book in question being almost $2200. I baught a ASUS gaming Laptop for almost half the price. This may seem like a rather poor excuse to dislike the Macs, but I dont care to spend more money than I need to for a computer that will do the same thing as a computer for less money.

Also, I dont do much in the way of multimedia, and if I did, PC would be just fine for me.

How is the ASUS? I asked for a quality gaming laptop at Best Buy and was shown the ASUS. Do you like it?

al please don't buy a laptop from your average store! buy it online (such as newegg, tigerdirect, ibuypower,etc..) and if you will not be on the move CONSTANTLY don't even get a laptop, it's next to useless compared to what you can get for the same price in a pc(gaming one obviously)

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

Mac Hardware is the only hardware that can stably run Mac OSX for an extended time.

There is no such thing as Mac hardware....They use other companies for all their hardware e.g. AMD, Intel, Nvidia, Western Digital etc.

Wrong.

The chip-sets are the same, not the physical boards. They are all manufactured specifically for Macs. Go take a look at a Mac motherboard. That isn't something you can buy on the shelf to build yourself a PC.

There is a lot of people in this thread who have zero idea of what they are talking about.

I'm a Linux guy first, a Windows guy second, and a Mac guy very last, but unless you're totally ignorant about the engineering and construction of a Mac, then nobody can say they aren't great machines. Not only does OSX have far less overhead then that bloated whale known as Windows, but the physical engineering built into their machines is just brilliant. You can't make a Macbook Air or iMac with out that excellent engineering.

People are complaining about price, but that engineering is what you're paying for. Brand? Yeah, sure some 'brand cost' is in there, but the size and stability (uniform cases, baby) is where the big chunk of money comes from.

Yes, you can go build yourself a PC for $800 USD and slap it all together into a fat ATX case.
Knock yourself out. I did that for years.

But not everyone either A) has the ability to do that, or B) wants to bother.
And OEM or Brand PC systems? Don't make me laugh. I worked for years in computer sales. I watched brand new 'high end' HPs, Sony Vaio's, Toshiba's, etc. fry in a week. High end my ass.

If you want to talk about cheaping out on computer parts, go buy an HP or something form a big box store. Or go build a computer from the cheapest parts you can find. Then watch the whole thing fall apart after a years or two of real use (Cue 'that guy' replying to me saying how his works awesome after many years, therefore they all do).

That all isn't taking into account how much Windows just sucks the power from your system.
What a bloated mess. Windows 7 is better, but still not great.

The bottom line is that Mac, from the OS to the physical machine, are well built, fast machines. People like them for a reason, and no: That reason isn't always 'they just don't know any better'. If you honestly think that, you have no idea what you're talking about.

not making a stab at you, but i always figured this as a "der", because if this wasn't true, then i'm pretty sure leopard and any other bit of mac software would have been reworked for windows in no time (not legally of course, like steve jobs would ever allow something like that to happen) and updating the hardware yourself wouldn't be possible by your average bear

 

[Kathinka]

crappyer hardware for twice the price? no, thank you, pc is the way to go for me.

 

[Aprilgold]

Windows is better then Macs, reason, freedom. I'm sorry, but it IS true, Mac's limit you off of certain things that work better then what the Mac can provide

 

[Killclaw Kilrathi]

My main problem with Macs is the price. My mother once contemplated buying me a Macbook for college, the book in question being almost $2200. I baught a ASUS gaming Laptop for almost half the price. This may seem like a rather poor excuse to dislike the Macs, but I dont care to spend more money than I need to for a computer that will do the same thing as a computer for less money.

Also, I dont do much in the way of multimedia, and if I did, PC would be just fine for me.

How is the ASUS? I asked for a quality gaming laptop at Best Buy and was shown the ASUS. Do you like it?

I might spark off a new argument here, but I usually look for ASUS parts when building a PC. My personal experience is that they're probably some of the most stable components you can get. Not to be confused with Acer, which is actually one of the most fault-prone.

 

[Baby Tea]

Compatible means I can watch avi's on my PC without it throwing a hissy fit unlike the last film I tried watching on a Mac. Also I can run almost any program I'd wish to on a PC whether it's gaming or not.

So you didn't have a codec (Also can be a windows problem) and you blame the machine? Reasonable.

And yes, more programs are developed for Windows because it has a bigger marketing share. But I can't think of a single program that I use regularly (Even irregularly) that I can't get the same or equivalent on Mac.

Your friend is wasting his time. If he does video editing he could probably shave hours off the edit time by getting better hardware that is not found in Macs.

Wrong.
Objectively wrong. A proper Mac editing machine is more then enough hardware to do the job.
Even a 'regular' Mac has plenty of hardware for editing.

I stand by my view that unless you need terminal, there is no need for a Mac.

Not for you, no.
Not for me either!

But to say there is 'no need' for them is wrong.
It's like saying there is no need for any car but one.

 

[funguy2121]

I'm sure people have asked this before but lets hear what a new batch of people have to say.

I'm a Mac user. Have been all my life but now I want a change so I'm going PC. Now the big reason is to play games but besides that not much else. And since I'm going to make this switch I just want to ask:

What do you prefer and why?

And a better question:

Why do many people consider that Macs suck and PCs are superior?

Have fun.

Macs are known to be much more user-friendly, and Mac owners really don't have to deal with malware.

 

[spyder25000]

depends on what i want it for,

if i want to get work done with no interruptions (mac)
anything else PC

but nothing can justify the 500% premium on each part, which is why you should tipple boot.

only issue with mac people is they must show others who dont use macs the awesome features

ill stick to my cheaper PC that i built and for laptops ill stick with IBM and ASUS

 

[Flutterguy]

Steve Jobs owns a PC.

 

[Killclaw Kilrathi]

From a personal perspective, I use PCs because I grew up with them, and despite the inroads Apple has made they're still the primary machine for computer gaming. Some people don't want them for that, some people want to use consoles for gaming, and that's a valid point. Personally I'd rather only spend on one machine for my work/play routine and I don't mind losing out on console games to do it. I also like to be able to build my PCs the way I want them, they're cheaper and you can save a lot of extra money by omitting the stupid pointless stuff computer manufacturers insist on stuffing into a build (I don't have a BluRay drive or a dedicated sound card, for example).

From a professional perspective I work at a software company, and we have a Mac version but almost nobody uses it. Maybe a few creative arts based companies use Macs, but the fact of the matter is if you go into a typical massive corporation they're almost exclusively running Windows, usually Dells in varing degrees of obsolescence. I can concede that this is because Microsoft/IBM had such a huge initial market share and MAYBE if Apple became more popular the tide would shift, but right now this is the way it is and it's not going to change anytime soon. Corporations are very stingy about upgrading or changing computer systems and a shift in the entire OS simply isn't going to happen with the majority of them so sticking with Windows is a very safe bet.

 

[Booze Zombie]

Macs simply do not offer what I need and because of that, I do not use them. What do I need? Games and upgrades.

 

[Arehexes]

Mac is for the College Student, PC for the gamer

Tell that to my Comp Sci department only like 4 people use Mac laptops.

 

[Sgt. Dante]

Do macs have right-clicking yet? I remember that was one of the old jokes about macs being crap, but I havent been paying much attention to it in a while.

In a way yes. At least on Macbooks. If you have two fingers on the trackpad and click you'll have done a right click.

that seems like a lot more effort that just clicking the right button...

And what about clicking the mouse wheel? how does one button get around that? (not mocking, genuinely curious)cause i don't think that they have scroll buttons... Might be wrong tho.

 

[Annoying Turd]

someone explain to me why do Macs (iMacs? those crappy Mac Pros? MacBooks?) have this reputation for video editing?

We use powerful PCs running micro$oft OS for CAD. There's adobe after effects and all those wonderful software applications on windows. Microsoft visual studio, etc.

 

[Annoying Turd]

Do macs have right-clicking yet? I remember that was one of the old jokes about macs being crap, but I havent been paying much attention to it in a while.

of course they do... just because you can't see a line between two buttons doesn't mean there's only one.

anyway, I'm a mac user, but I'm getting a gaming pc because... well I want to play videogames on it not that it's impossible on an Imac, but these things aren't exactly easily upgradeable.
oh, and I got a blue screen of death in bootcamp just this morning. so yeah, I think it's time this one got retired.

Of course they do? More like why the heck didn't they have one for 15 years while claiming to be more user-friendly?

Makes their products look simpler.

 

[Annoying Turd]

Do macs have right-clicking yet? I remember that was one of the old jokes about macs being crap, but I havent been paying much attention to it in a while.

In a way yes. At least on Macbooks. If you have two fingers on the trackpad and click you'll have done a right click.

that seems like a lot more effort that just clicking the right button...

And what about clicking the mouse wheel? how does one button get around that? (not mocking, genuinely curious)cause i don't think that they have scroll buttons... Might be wrong tho.

their 'magic mouse' (standard mac mouse for desktop macs) has a touchpad, and you scroll by rubbing it

that means no mouse 3 button.

 

[Griffolion]

someone explain to me why do Macs (iMacs? those crappy Mac Pros? MacBooks?) have this reputation for video editing?

We use powerful PCs running micro$oft OS for CAD. There's adobe after effects and all those wonderful software applications on windows. Microsoft visual studio, etc.

There was a time when Mac OS was much better suited to that sort of thing. In a sense that heritage lives on with the quality applications in that sector that are around for Mac OS today (not including FCPX by what people are saying).

But with increases in general computing power and the vast improvements that have come to Windows (Windows 7) alongside the fact that all the major software suites extend to Windows too, the notion of Macs being better than PC's for the creative stuff is more or less invalid now.

In short, they have the reputation because of their heritage, one that can no longer be lived up to because the rival does it just as well now.

I like PC better. I don't need video editing and the prices are outrageous. Macs aren't compatible with shit

...oddly enough, they're actually compatible with Windows and Linux. Multi-booting is easy with macs... which are, after all, just PCs built by a very self-involved company (this from a lifelong builder of PCs who shuns any system not built with his own two hands).

I'd be more inclined to say that it's the hardware that's compatible with Windows and Linux. Its been made widely possible (Bootcamp, Parallels) because of the Intel chipsets essentially unifying both Mac OS and Windows at a silicon level.

I love my Mac, why because it's Mac. No other reason, any Mac user will (probably) agree with me that a Mac... It just feels right. I still use windows for gaming, but other than that I do everything with my Overpowered 12 Core rendering beast of a Mac. (Very soon 16 Core)

I'm willing to bet an equal machine I built running Windows can outdo your Mac at any test you desire. That includes web browsing, media of any kind etc...

 

[ParkourMcGhee]

Personal preference and the xenophobia I'd say as Mac doesn't really do games.

I haven't used it much, and it's just a pain to get used to. I like doing stuff in a way I know how, and mac turns the controls on their head for me.

If I want Linux, I go to Ubuntu with the GUI similar to windows *shrug*

 

[Annoying Turd]

One reason I've never got into macs and snow leopard OS (i'm into their iPhone and iPod touch because they're so user friendly and they work as light substitutes for my microsoft desktop, might wait for windows phone) was the price tag. They build sturdy, great looking 'aluminum' boxes, but the hardware components are overpriced.

In addition to that, the apple OS doesn't seem to offer anything special over what I can get in Windows 7 or several free Linux distros.

A Microsoft desktop makes me sure that I can almost always run whatever software I have, and I also get good driver support; I almost never get any software compatibility issues with a Microsoft OS.

I hear that with an apple operating system I won't get hacked or have any security problems, worms, trojans, viruses, spyware, BSODs, and all that horrible stuff you get with microsoft OS. Can anyone verify?

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

Are Mac's better for use in art design or PC? i forget.