Magic The Gathering Rule conundrum

[crepesack]

i have a few questions to anyone that plays mtg.
i have slivers with "all slivers have flanking" i have 2 in play do they have multiple instances of flanking? because in the comp. rules it states :"502.3b If a creature has multiple instances of flanking, each triggers separately."
also with planeswalkers if i deal more damage than it has loyalty counters does it go negative loyalty or does it die cuz in the rules its: "Damage dealt to a planeswalker results in that many loyalty counters being removed from it. If a planeswalker?s loyalty is 0, it?s put into its owner?s graveyard as a state-based effect. See rule 420.5"

 

[Morderkaine]

No, they cant have multiple instances of flanking - all slivers have the ability flanking, that is it. Just like if you have two different cards that give a creature flying - its still just a flyer, flying x2 is nothing special.
And you cannot have negative counters, so if it loses all its counters from damage it goes into the graveyard.

 

[rogueshadows]

No, they cant have multiple instances of flanking - all slivers have the ability flanking, that is it. Just like if you have two different cards that give a creature flying - its still just a flyer, flying x2 is nothing special.

actually, he's right about flanking. each triggers seperately, so any creature (without flanking) that blocks the sliver gets -2/-2. see Cavalry Master: http://ww2.wizards.com/gatherer/CardDetails.aspx?&id=108903

 

[gathraawn]

actually, he's right about flanking. each triggers seperately, so any creature (without flanking) that blocks the sliver gets -2/-2. see Cavalry Master: http://ww2.wizards.com/gatherer/CardDetails.aspx?&id=108903

This is correct. You can actually have multiple instances of any keyword; they do all stack. Flying, trample, etc. don't have any relevance in multiple instances, but they are all there. And as the rules say, each instance of Flanking triggers seperately and results in multiple -1/-1 penalties.

And life totals and power/toughness can be set in the negatives, but counters are physical objects that need to be removed, so you can't have negative counters, because you can't remove what doesn't exist.

 

[crepesack]

will double strike stack then? to make quad strike or does it exponentially become hex strike because the two attack resolved and each has double strike applied to them.

 

[Ultrajoe]

will double strike stack then? to make quad strike or does it exponentially become hex strike because the two attack resolved and each has double strike applied to them.

No. Double strike simply allows them to deal damage once in both the first strike damage phase and the regular one. Stacking it might produce multiple instances, but as the rules say 'once' then they are rendered null anyway.

 

[count.grishnakh]

well i have a question then. I have a kinsbaile Cavalier in play which gives knights doublestrike. How does the combat sequence procede if I attack with a knight that has the flanking ability? does the flanking ability stack along with the double strike ability?

 

[madwarper]

well i have a question then. I have a kinsbaile Cavalier in play which gives knights doublestrike. How does the combat sequence procede if I attack with a knight that has the flanking ability? does the flanking ability stack along with the double strike ability?

a) You'd be best to post any MtG Rules questions on the WotC's MtG Rules Q&A boards.

b) The steps in the Combat Phase are[footnote]Or, at least were, as of 2009, before M10 shitted all over the rules.[/footnote] 1) Beginning of Combat, 2) Declare Attackers, 3) Declare Blockers, 4) Combat Damage, 5) End of Combat.

Flanking triggers when Blockers are declared in Step 3.

Creatures with either Double or First strike simply cause there to be an extra Combat Damage step. This doesn't affect the Declare Blockers step, or the way Blockers was Declared.