Marijuana. It has the potential to become as big a buisiness as the tobacco industry, providing thousands of jobs and money that you could tax the fuck out of. This seems like a rather logical plan, guys.
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One is an Islamic theocratic dictatorship, and the other is an atheistic communist nation, respectively.bagodix said:
Their laws are not set up to protect the rights of people and to have some semblence of order and society, but to push the population in a particular direction. Therefore they are not really laws as we know them (rules made after a review and consultation with experts) but simple edicts delivered on the whims of people with severe narcissism issues.
idk if your from america but if you are you dont think american society is set up to push the general population in one direction or another? were slaves to the federal banks and the military industrial complex and know one talks about it. these people are sheep...cuddly_tomato said:
I am from England (it's more European than the USA thankfully, although government has been trying Americanize us for a while now). American laws have been going that ways yes. This is a result of the decaying in the democratic process due to corruption. Votes are now bought and paid for, whether through advertizing or through media manipulation to get the populace to vote a particular way. This, in turn, comes in the form of bribes and extortion from mega-corporations and big business.ninjaman 420 said:
If the media was truly free and unbiased, and politicans were not subject to "favours" from business leaders and bankers, you would find this kind of thing wouldn't happen.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. A right at the expense of others is not a right. It's so rare to find people who actually understand that.Swollen Goat said:
OT: I don't smoke, but I know a lot of people who do. While I'd rather they didn't, I could really care less if people do, but at the end of the day, there's no denying the health risks, if I'm around it too much I get ill, and I'd really rather not have the inside of my car smell like what comes out of the tail-pipe (same goes for my house, without the whole tail-pipe thing). If smokers don't have a right to anything, it's to complain about their health as a result of their habit, and that's more a petty annoyance/ironic observation than any sort of dictum-from-on-high.
"Man, I really hate this smoker's cough of mine."
"Well, quit breathing in the burning leaves, idiot."
I agree with everything you said except the last line of your edit. First, do you really think its okay to treat religion as a monolith? Different religions forbid and allow different things. Most of them make sense. You know, like forbidding things like murder, theft, etc.inglioti said:
But I assume your talking about Christians in general, right? (also a pretty diverse group)
I guess I'm asking that you not treat religion(s) as a whole group with a single set of beliefs, or make the assumption that every idea those groups have come up with is bad.
Empirically false.inglioti said:
Pro faith, pro choice [http://www.rcrc.org/programs/clergy_resources.cfm].
Atheist and Agnostic pro-life league [http://www.godlessprolifers.org/home.html].
When Stalin took over the Soviet Union, people didn't all tear their clothes off in the streets and start their new lives free from religion by having free love, loads of drugs and gay orgies.
Sure. Make weed legal. I just got off of a political thread, so I think I could smoke a bowl or two...or twenty.
well i didn't know about those exceptions, granted. however, i don't think it takes away from my main point - religion is integral to someone, where as atheism is not.cuddly_tomato said:
a christian's view on abortion and gay rights is influenced by the belief system they ascribe to, where as an atheist's view is based on logic and reason (to a lesser extent personal convictions.) the atheists in your aforementioned group ascribe to the belief that life is important - by way of logic or some other un-religious reason. the christians are pro-choice because they have found justification in the bible. do you see the point i'm making?
also, in soviet russia, i hardly think freedom from religion is comparable to life under a dictator.
1000 times yes, its no worse than cigarettes or alchohol, you act just as dumb haha, but at least you dont kill 
Indeed I do see your point. However, you aren't quite acknowledging the situation "on the ground" as it were. Abortion is quite legal across most of the western world now, inspite of the fact that they are Christian nations. Homosexuality is now legal also, with the possibility of gay marriages now being mooted. However, in the (currently atheist) state of North Korea, you aren't allowed to even talk about homosexuality.inglioti said:
My point about Stalin was that you can get rid of religion altogether in a society, but there is no precident for it actually working out like you think. If you have a look at the list of states which have tried to suppress religion [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism] they have resulted in a system as oppressive and evil as any theocracy.
This is a topic I know very well, if you want me to expand on this via PM I can give you a lot of information on it. However I would say that while your aim is laudable, your reasoning is not. It would be best if religion simply did not take a role in government decisions, rather than be suppressed or prejudiced (religious people are people too.)