Making fun of the Dead
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I thought it was a little bit funny. Maybe I'm just twisted, but cheap shot or lame pokemon always tickle my fancy. I tried to think about how much of a horrible person I am for laughing at that joke, but it didn't work, I just started a giggle loop on myself.
My mother died of cancer. My favourite aunt died of cancer. I still cracked a omfg-that-was-so-bad-it-was-almost-funny smile at the joke in question. But yeah, I can see why the fella was given a warning what with the forum rules being what they are.Phlakes said:
As has been pointed out, your example of choice really doesn't work out all that well.
But in all seriousness, it boils down to this:
Whether or not you enjoy black humour really makes no difference (I do, but it's moot). Once you watch someone you care about die from something you're powerless to stop, it tends to make that pain jump out every time the cause of death in question is poked fun at.
No, I am not sharing my personal example. Needless to say, any jokes on the matter, I can still laugh at (that is, if they're actually funny), but it still makes me think of the pain and suffering that person endured.
That being said, the "Super Effective" meme was never really all that funny to begin with, because it was so long after the fact. We all drove that joke into the ground 15 years ago by naming a Metapod "Penis".
Also, the "joke" was even weaker given that he was rolling two memes into one.
But in all seriousness, it boils down to this:
Whether or not you enjoy black humour really makes no difference (I do, but it's moot). Once you watch someone you care about die from something you're powerless to stop, it tends to make that pain jump out every time the cause of death in question is poked fun at.
No, I am not sharing my personal example. Needless to say, any jokes on the matter, I can still laugh at (that is, if they're actually funny), but it still makes me think of the pain and suffering that person endured.
That being said, the "Super Effective" meme was never really all that funny to begin with, because it was so long after the fact. We all drove that joke into the ground 15 years ago by naming a Metapod "Penis".
Also, the "joke" was even weaker given that he was rolling two memes into one.
Personally I'm of the mindset that it's okay to make the jokes. Why shouldn't it be okay to make light of a situation? It's not like we personally know the person who died, our jokes don't have any consequence.
You know what also has no consequence? Posting "You'll be missed" or "R.I.P" or some crap like that on the internet with regards to someone you don't know personally.
Both things are opposite sides of the coin and both things have the same amount of effect on the people who are ACTUALLY personally involved with the death in question, that is to say, no effect at all.
What really gets to me though is that we make one little joke and then suddenly we're being judged or reported or talked and looked down upon. It's not that we don't care about people or life, the universe and everything. It's that we know that nothing we say will have the smallest, teenyist, tiniest effect to the people who have the right to mourn and feel sad.
Or to reiterate the same point much more bluntly:
It's a JOKE! It's WORDS! Please lighten the hell up!
You know what also has no consequence? Posting "You'll be missed" or "R.I.P" or some crap like that on the internet with regards to someone you don't know personally.
Both things are opposite sides of the coin and both things have the same amount of effect on the people who are ACTUALLY personally involved with the death in question, that is to say, no effect at all.
What really gets to me though is that we make one little joke and then suddenly we're being judged or reported or talked and looked down upon. It's not that we don't care about people or life, the universe and everything. It's that we know that nothing we say will have the smallest, teenyist, tiniest effect to the people who have the right to mourn and feel sad.
Or to reiterate the same point much more bluntly:
It's a JOKE! It's WORDS! Please lighten the hell up!
Damn straight dude.Lukirre said:
The majority of family related funerals I've been to have always had one or two people cracking light jokes about the situation during the ceremony.
Hell I've said to my Dad before "If I die before any of you and you do that whole "Lying about what a great person I was" thing, I'm gonna haunt the shit out of all of you"
I would really like to know what this whole "Reverence for the Dead" thing we've got going on is all about.
Depends, but I read that one and laughed... I don't think they should have gotten a warning.
Some people deserve it extra hard though, evil people do not suddenly become sacred again because they are dead, they are just dead. I hate it when people say "You can't insult evil dude X, he is dead, shame".
Some people deserve it extra hard though, evil people do not suddenly become sacred again because they are dead, they are just dead. I hate it when people say "You can't insult evil dude X, he is dead, shame".
The example you're using is still showing respect. You're not actively mocking the person for suffering and being taken by a terminal illness; you're deflecting grief with humour by making light of death in general.anthony87 said:
Note that the person in question only got the warning because someone actually reported him, and by all means, the quote is question is effectively offensive. I wouldn't have reported him myself, but that's only because I really have better things to do with my time than see someone be warned that if they continue being an idiot in the future, they're going to be banned from participating in a forum. Asshattery tends to work itself out; I don't need to go through extra clicks when all I want to do is watch a video, play a game or go get some exercise.
Cute comments in the direction of monsters, creatures, zombies and so on, however, are comedy [color=CD7F32]GOLD[/color].Audio said:
You say that my example is not actively mocking the person for being dead.rmb1983 said:
However from my point of view neither was the comment that got reported. Then again this isn't really one of those things that can be construed "right" or "wrong" to begin with.
To me saying anything that you would say if the person is alive is ok. Since the person is dead there is no way for your words to hurt him. So the only person offended is the person you talk to, and to him it shouldnt matter if his dead or not.
It's not about the content of the joke usually, it's about context. Make a joke about cancer at a comedy club or down the bar with friends, fine, make it in the children's cancer ward of a hospital or at a funeral, you're just being an asshole.
That one the OP mentioned, it was pretty poor, a thread like that I consider to be similar to a eulogy, of a kind, a report of a death oughta be fairly respectful.
After all, even if you didn't like the person, they had friends and family, and unless they deserve the mocking, like Hitler, Gary Glitter, Fred Phelps, etc., then you're not just knocking a dead guy.
A good example was when the Daily Mail (yes, he on about them again), orchestrated a massive campaign against Jimmy Carr for making a joke about amputee ex servicemen coming back from the middle east, how at least we'd have a great Paralympic team in 2012.
Now, he's told that joke to (and if we're honest, maybe even got told it by) the very people he's talking about, and it was at a charity benefit gig for soldiers. People chose to come and see him, knowing what he's like and what kind of material he does.
The Daily Mail then reprints the joke, all outraged, thusly telling the joke to millions of people who'd never go to a Jimmy Carr gig because they don't want to hear that kind of humour.
How on earth is Carr the bad guy and the Mail the hero of good taste?
In short, any joke is fine, if you consider the audience, both at the time and who'll hear/read it later on. Hell most comedians adapt their material to suit their audience, if they're in a military heavy city, they'll probably do more war material, if they're in a middle class area, more chav material.
That one the OP mentioned, it was pretty poor, a thread like that I consider to be similar to a eulogy, of a kind, a report of a death oughta be fairly respectful.
After all, even if you didn't like the person, they had friends and family, and unless they deserve the mocking, like Hitler, Gary Glitter, Fred Phelps, etc., then you're not just knocking a dead guy.
A good example was when the Daily Mail (yes, he on about them again), orchestrated a massive campaign against Jimmy Carr for making a joke about amputee ex servicemen coming back from the middle east, how at least we'd have a great Paralympic team in 2012.
Now, he's told that joke to (and if we're honest, maybe even got told it by) the very people he's talking about, and it was at a charity benefit gig for soldiers. People chose to come and see him, knowing what he's like and what kind of material he does.
The Daily Mail then reprints the joke, all outraged, thusly telling the joke to millions of people who'd never go to a Jimmy Carr gig because they don't want to hear that kind of humour.
How on earth is Carr the bad guy and the Mail the hero of good taste?
In short, any joke is fine, if you consider the audience, both at the time and who'll hear/read it later on. Hell most comedians adapt their material to suit their audience, if they're in a military heavy city, they'll probably do more war material, if they're in a middle class area, more chav material.
I am new to these forums but perhaps it was less about how it may be bad to make jokes about dead people and more about cutting down on no-content posts that just recycle memes, since they're usually expected, not particularly funny, and uncreative.
Also the post seemed kinda meanspirited and likely to offend many people, and I don't generally get the vibe that that is tolerated on these forums, even if some people find it funny.
Also the post seemed kinda meanspirited and likely to offend many people, and I don't generally get the vibe that that is tolerated on these forums, even if some people find it funny.