Man Jailed For Viewing "Pixie And Troll" Porn

[Scars Unseen]

The devil needs a better advocate. In order to make actual child porn you actually need to make a child have sex with someone. And you're right: this isn't about whether art might encourage a person to act(because inspiration isn't a crime, only illegally acting on that inspiration). It's about whether owning a pencil sketch is illegal or not.

Its actually not about whether owning a pencil sketch is illegal or not because in most civilized countries child porn drawn or real is illegal. There is no questions here its straight up fact. You can go look it up if you dont believe me.

And there are no pictures of children -real or imagined- involved in this case. Fairy tale creatures are not human, and size is not indicative of age. Try again.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

Its about a sex offender looking at pictures/video of drawn naked children. You are trying to distort the facts and change what the core issue here is.

Bare in mind that you are also distorting facts with that first sentence of what I quoted.

He was looking at pictures of pixies, elves, and trolls. There's a big difference. Pixies and elves usually tend to look young, but 99.9% of the time they are of the style that they may look young but they are actually not, because it is a norm trait of such fictional races.

The point is, we aren't even looking at a man being prosecuted over looking at non-existent cartoon children.

We are seeing a man being prosecuted over looking at pictures of non-existent and fictional creatures that are not children, with the prosecution looking to jail him on child porn charges.

There really is no justice, at least in New Zealand, if this guy goes to prison. This would set a horrible precedent for the law systems of the rest of the world and people that like to frivolously accuse people of things: Basically the precedent of:

"Look people, if you are offended by the art people make or the art they look at, you can have them put away so they don't hurt your oh so feeble mind."

 

[Killclaw Kilrathi]

The devil needs a better advocate. In order to make actual child porn you actually need to make a child have sex with someone. And you're right: this isn't about whether art might encourage a person to act(because inspiration isn't a crime, only illegally acting on that inspiration). It's about whether owning a pencil sketch is illegal or not.

Its actually not about whether owning a pencil sketch is illegal or not because in most civilized countries child porn drawn or real is illegal. There is no questions here its straight up fact. You can go look it up if you dont believe me.

We don't even know if the porn involved children, only that a court decided the characters looked too young. The Australia/NZ region is notorious for this kind of hysteria, materials are classed as child porn even when it demonstrably isn't. Porn magazines here won't even print photos of flat chested, clearly adult models because courts have decided that just having any model under a minimum breast size makes it a child porn rag.

We also don't know what sex offence this guy committed. An Australian political worker got put on the registry just for having an erotic book on his laptop which contained underage characters, a book that was legal and readily available in stores.

Personally I don't care what kind of sketch he had in his possession. A drawing doesn't involve exploiting real children, so real harm wasn't done. The gateway argument is stupid, chances are they are mainly used as an outlet to prevent tangible violations of real children from taking place.

 

[danon]

Yeah imprison a dude for looking at drawn imaginary picture of fictional races. What's next thought police? When did we give up freedom for imagined security?

 

[Tiger Sora]

As I've said before on this site: You can't jail someone for watching porn, it doesn't hurt anybody. Where is the justice in this?

Cept, you know, actual child porn. You know, with real kids and all. Bad stuff.

 

[Zombie_Moogle]

Yeah, pretty sure crimes are supposed to involve another person being hurt, damaged, robbed, or inconvenienced in some other way

It's creepy, sure, but should we really be jailing people for fiction?

 

[CBanana]

Not surprised. New Zealand is the same place that banned the non-hentai anime Puni Puni Poemy for its raunchy gags involving elementary school characters.

 

[Chatboy 91]

ECPAT Child Alert director, Alan Bell, conceded that no children were harmed in the production of the films and manga, but went on to argue that they encourage potential pedophiles "to migrate from there to the real thing."

So what you're saying is your only major argument is that it's a gateway drug. That weak ass theory riddled with logical fallacies and shown in many studies to be a baseless falsehood.

Fuck off.

 

[lacktheknack]

You know, the first thing I thought of when I found this article was "Hmm, pixie and troll porn? I wonder what they'd make of Corruption of Champions..."

Oh God. I've heard stories.

I'm assuming the entire court would immediately implode?

 

[Karadalis]

How did they even found the pixie porn? Did that orgnaisation just claimed that the guy had CP on his computer/in his house and when the police only found pixie porn they still decided to put him on court or else they would embarass themselves?

 

[Aaron Sylvester]

Wait wait wait, I live in NZ and I think I have some hentai buried in my disk archives somewhere...and pretty much all my friends aren't exactly guilty-free of either watching it or having gigabytes of it stored either, it's just another fucking form of pornography. Hell, it's not even that it is DRAWN and 100% fictional.

I'm fairly sure I'm not going to get caught but this...this is just retarded, coming out of my country.

I think due to the crime rates being so low here the authorities got sick of waiting to put SOMETHING in the news, that has to be it.

 

[Boris Goodenough]

Wait wait wait...

I think due to the crime rates being so low here the authorities got sick of waiting to put SOMETHING in the news, that has to be it.

You know, inditing yourself is NEVER a good idea :S
Always talk about someone else or JUST say "some friends".

Captcha: talk the talk...

 

[Aaron Sylvester]

Wait wait wait...

I think due to the crime rates being so low here the authorities got sick of waiting to put SOMETHING in the news, that has to be it.

You know, inditing yourself is NEVER a good idea :S
Always talk about someone else or JUST say "some friends".

Captcha: talk the talk...

You don't understand...(note: I said "I think", I may not) arresting someone for purely having hentai would mean they would have to make THOUSANDS of arrests every single goddamn day! Actually no, make that TENS of thousands. The prisons here won't be able to fit them all.

It appears to only matter if the hentai is linked to child pornography, that is the entire case.
Which is ABSURD because it is virtually impossible to say what defines "child" in japanese anime. You will see toons which look like they're 20 claiming to be 12, and you'll see "children" who are actually hundreds of years old - it's fucking FICTION! Anyone can be anything!

Barking mad, I tell you. I swear the guy was only arrested because they were looking for a reason to arrest him again, that has to be it. Paedophiles are basically the most hated criminals imaginable, and if some of them particularly deserve to not be released into the community then the authorities could theoretically arrest them based on objectionable material (fictional or not) found anywhere near them.

That has to be it >_<

 

[Nazulu]

Alan Bell is going to hell for lying.

I fucking hate these people with a passion. Their system should have to actually prove this before sending anyone to whatever. Plus everyone is effected differently by what they see so good luck making a general rule on it.

 

[Killclaw Kilrathi]

Wait wait wait, I live in NZ and I think I have some hentai buried in my disk archives somewhere...and pretty much all my friends aren't exactly guilty-free of either watching it or having gigabytes of it stored either, it's just another fucking form of pornography. Hell, it's not even that it is DRAWN and 100% fictional.

I'm fairly sure I'm not going to get caught but this...this is just retarded, coming out of my country.

I think due to the crime rates being so low here the authorities got sick of waiting to put SOMETHING in the news, that has to be it.

Yep, people have been put on the sex offender registry for less. Can you imagine someone having to live with child porn possession on their criminal history because of something so menial? It would pretty much prevent you from ever getting a decent job. This is the first time I've heard of someone going to prison over it, imagine trying to explain it to other inmates without getting shanked for being a kiddie fiddler.

I don't have anything like that, but I certainly don't want to see people lose their livelihoods because of a few erotic drawings. If it doesn't infringe on anyone else, people should be allowed to have whatever fetishes they want.

 

[Boris Goodenough]

You don't understand...the reason I half-admitted to it (note: I said "I think") is because arresting someone for purely having hentai would mean they would have to make THOUSANDS of arrests every single goddamn day! Actually no, make that TENS of thousands. The prisons here won't be able to fit them all.

Also it appears to only matter if the hentai is linked to child pornography, which is ABSURD because it is virtually impossible to say what defines "child" in japanese anime. You will see toons which look like they're 20 claiming to be 13, and you'll also see "children" who are hundreds of years old - it's fucking FICTION! Anyone can be anything!

Well if there are thousands of people then your prisons are going to be crowded
For example I haven't met a police officer that hasn't pirated here. Even in Australia it wasn't uncommon to see copies laying around.

And yes I am not disagreeing with you, I just don't like people to paint giant bull's eyes on themselvs when it comes to silly laws.

 

[Entitled]

The devil needs a better advocate. In order to make actual child porn you actually need to make a child have sex with someone. And you're right: this isn't about whether art might encourage a person to act(because inspiration isn't a crime, only illegally acting on that inspiration). It's about whether owning a pencil sketch is illegal or not.

I'll just leave this here from the other thread:

Actually, children are not being harmed by the viewing of child pornography. They were harmed by the making, but once it's done, there is no more harm to be done.

Based on your train of thought about "harm", if I would see a live action file of child pornography on a torrent site, then downloading it would not cause any more direct harm to anyone than not downloading it.

Ad absurdum, allowing easier legal access to live action pornography files while continuing to persecute their further production, would lead to the production of more child porn being less demanded, and less profitable, thus saving children for the future.

It seems to me that we either agree that making a moral/legal stand against the viewing of certain kinds of materials is necessery at least to provide a moral example, or if there is no such limit, then it shouldn't matter at all what is being watched since watching videos doesn't casue harm in itself.

 

[Saulkar]

How can this even be a thing? There are no standing studies that prove that cartoon porn influences one's behaviour, let alone hentai, yet such a baseless argument stands in the court of law? Shit on a stick, this is a dangerous precedent.

 

[hazydawn]

Its not about wether or not watching Lolicon Hentai makes a person more likely to rape little girls. Its about a sex offender looking at pictures/video of drawn naked children. You are trying to distort the facts and change what the core issue here is.

This is part of the issue because it was part of the argument:
"'The distribution of it is damaging,' he continued. 'You have to ask what impact does it have even if it's not harming [an individual child].'"
And basically that's the only argument that could! justify sending a person to jail for looking at drawings.
There is no proof to this argument however and even if there were some studies, I would be agaist the prohibition.
The respective culture would need to decide whether it is all right to outlaw something because it might encourage a person to commit a crime. That's the same problem with guns in the US, violent video games or whatever if there is enough proof that it leads to increased crime rates of course. Just some examples not saying that there is proof in these cases.
Altough in the case of guns it's pretty obvious.