Man vs Nature
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Since when where Virus' non-natural?Gooble said:
I don't understand the relation between your title and your post text.
We live in Equilibrium with our habitat, otherwise we'd die if we didn't. We're just omnivorous on a massive scale and so we consume everything, in a number of ways.
But how the hell does it even come to that? The carapace is nominally round, and generally without point, especially a point in the middle of the shell area. The edges, occasionally, but the middle?Internet Kraken said:
We have evolved in such a manner that this is what we need to do to sustain ourselves at our current level and advsance further. We have higher powers of reasoning and far superior intellect to all other animals and as such have the ability to change things to our will.
Who knows. Evolution takes place over massive amounts of time. They just happened to end up that way.BehattedWanderer said:
Either that or aliens came to Earth and made those bugs just to fuck with us.
My point was that we've almost gone beyond nature; when we started off 200,000 years ago, we were definitely in balance because we needed nature to survive. However now we can almost adapt nature to our own needs.Wizzie said:
And I'm sure that nature will probably cull us back down to size, scientists are projected massive food and water shortages, so that'll probably kill of a good few million at least. And even those we could cope with, through GM crops and desalination plants.
LoLSightless Wisdom said:
Anything with a brain 'thinks'
Do you separate us from rodents because of out high complexity? Rabbits live for more then sex and grass, they are creative and practical, (study a warren) yes, it can be considered instinct driven, but so is humanity. Everything we learn, deduce, and invent can be broken down to instinct. Other species learn and develop, not to the same extent, but dolphins, birds, various primates, communicate and the likes.
I'm a bit tired at the moment, but I have debated about this for a while with various philosophical groups, humanity is different, yes, but nothing unique, beyond the degree of separation.
*yawns* Sorry, I don't mean to condescend, and the lol at the start just signifies my smile at this age old argument.
Wouldn't it be better to edit the title in reflection of your point then?Gooble said:
It would probably generate more discussion too.
We still need nature, probably more than we ever did infact. Everyone still scrabbles away at the earth for resources to power the nation, we import from where ever we can and we still live in fear of running dry.
We are no where near to being "past nature", we are still and always will be it's ***** until we drain it dry and have no other choice.
And where did the food reserves come from? Mars? Food reserves are the foundation of civilisation. Without them everybody would spend all day hunting and gathering and we never would have invented antiseptics.Gooble said:
If humans completely destroy their own habitat, they will die. Equilibrium will be reached, one way or another.
That's called adaptability, it's the foundation of natural selection. The only reason we're alive right now is because we kill and manipulate other life forms for our benefit.
It's things like this that confuse me about evolution. I still support the idea, but still.Internet Kraken said:
Very much so, in essence. We have many primitive instincts remaining. We're just overly adaptable and inventive, which means we have the power to create environments and behaviour that were not natural before we came along. In the same way, nature was different when the dinosaurs ruled. We can just affect it a lot more.
My point was that humans aren't the only animals that create and destroy for the sake of it. But yeah, we both have good points, sorry for going off on one. We are destroying our habitat due to imbalance as much as any animal would, we just have enough power to do it globally. Which sucks for everyone.Sightless Wisdom said:
And no, it's not just America's fault. You could say it's England's fault for giving rise to the industrial revolution, or Greek's fault, or whoever came before for enabling our problems. It's better to take responsibility. It'll make us feel better before it all collapses around us
Humans are not a "mammilian virus" or a "cancer" or anything else so stupid or negative. If you gave ANY creature on earth the same mental capacity and higher brain functions, along with the same ability to easily manipulate their environment, their course of progression would not be so different. The equilibrium point of a species relative to the world is reached when their control over the environment reaches the maximum point permitted by their collective physical and mental capabilities.
The fact that the human race has not yet reached the limit of our influence in the physical world is gratifying. I hope the influence of our species will expand across the far reaches of space.
Humanity is a powerful species, relative to all other organisms on Earth. You should be pleased that we are so powerful. Instead of condemning the actions of humanity, you should think of ways to make our stewardship of the Earth more responsible.
The fact that the human race has not yet reached the limit of our influence in the physical world is gratifying. I hope the influence of our species will expand across the far reaches of space.
Humanity is a powerful species, relative to all other organisms on Earth. You should be pleased that we are so powerful. Instead of condemning the actions of humanity, you should think of ways to make our stewardship of the Earth more responsible.