Manufacturing Issues Could Cause Wii U Delay

[Mr.Mattress]

So you think that by going to a Nintendo oriented event and seeing people demo the Wii U games you think that proves that there's large scale excitement for the Wii U? The Nintendo fans are going to go to the Nintendo events. Those are people that are already going to buy the Wii U most likely. No new customers there.

Back when the Wii was announced people were already hyped beyond belief about it. The internet was ablaze and the mainstream news channels were actually reporting on the possibilities of the Wii's motion control. Now the Wii-U has a giant "meh" painted on it in terms of buzz. Hell, when CNN reported on it at E3, they thought it was just a new controller. That represent a huge decline in interest if you ask me. I'm not underestimating Nintendo game at all. They came first this gen. But everyone seems to forget that for two generations in a row before that Nintendo took a beating in the hardware sales department. Its not like Nintendo constantly had the markets eating up whatever they threw out, that's a very recent phenomena.

Granted I honestly don't think the next Sony or MS console will sell that well either, I just think that because Nintendo sold the most consoles for the first time in over 20 years their fans are being really overly optimistic about the Wii-U. Hell after the thing was announced Nintendo's stock took a massive dip 2 days later due to the lukewarm reception of what seems to be another gimmick based console.

1: Alright, so maybe a Wii U Event would paint me as biased. However, you claim no one is hyped about it right now. You even state in your second paragraph that the Wii U has a giant "Meh" painted on it. That can not be in any way true, because A) I'm excited about it, B) There are many Escapists here who are excited about it, C) The Nintendo Fans are excited about it, D) 3rd Party developers that were scared away from Nintendo from the 64-Wii Are jumping on the Wii U, E) Casual fans will no doubt eat it up, and F) I highly doubt Hardcores and Midcores won't be tempted to play this when more and more games come out.

2: Before I go on, I'd like to point out that CNN is not in any way, shape, or form, the perfect place to get Video Game News. Trusting CNN to give Video Game News would be like the Escapist to tell me how to water plants.

Not only did I basically say that the "Meh" is only for Nintendo Doubters right now, your also wrong with the statement that Nintendo was beaten badly in the previous gens; Nintendo came in 2nd with the 64, and has a huge number of Hardcore Games on it, and it made money off of all of it. The Gamecube, yes, was a dissapointing third, but it still made them money. The only reason I would say Nintendo's stocks took a dip is because we're in a slow recovery period and Businesses at the time don't like taking risks.

The Wii U will sell only to longtime Nintendo fans who still like the company. And even then, a lot of longtime Nintendo fans have stopped blindly supporting Nintendo(with their wallets and their voices) and can hardly be blamed for doing so.

3: Not only is that improbable, requiring Nintendo to do something insanely dumb to piss everyone off, but that would be a downright stupid thing to say. Saying something won't be bought, after the thing before it was bought in huge amounts? That's gonna be a crazy claim. I know the Wii U Won't sell like the Wii, but it will sell, to Casuals, to Hardcores, to everyone.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

1: Alright, so maybe a Wii U Event would paint me as biased. However, you claim no one is hyped about it right now. You even state in your second paragraph that the Wii U has a giant "Meh" painted on it. That can not be in any way true, because A) I'm excited about it, B) There are many Escapists here who are excited about it, C) The Nintendo Fans are excited about it, D) 3rd Party developers that were scared away from Nintendo from the 64-Wii Are jumping on the Wii U, E) Casual fans will no doubt eat it up, and F) I highly doubt Hardcores and Midcores won't be tempted to play this when more and more games come out.

Well look at the reception on this thread alone. It's been either "I'm gonna buy it" or "Meh". Mostly "Meh".

And to your points
A)Good for you, I'm out of cookies.

B)There are a lot more Escapists that don't care about the Wii-U than do. And hell, that's just THIS site. Like I stated before, as a result of the poor public perception the Wii U got upon announcement investors got worried and sold some of their stock. This affected Nintendo's stock in a way it hadn't seen ever. If the general public thought it was "Meh" right off the bat to a point that it scared investors into selling their stock, I'd say its safe to say that
most people are not excited about the Wii U.

C)Of course the Nitendo fans are excited about it. That's like saying that Valve fans use Steam...
But on that note, there are a LOT of Nintendo fans who aren't as happy with what the Wii U and aren't too excited. Notice how the general excitement of the Wii U seems to be only bolstered BY Nintendo fans? And even then the excitement seems to be quieter than it should be for a company of Nintendo's stature. More people are excited for the Ouya than the Wii U with the way things seem to be going.

D)Some 3rd party devs have already disregarded the Wii U as well.

E)Casual fans are bored of their Wiis. If you look at most companies that have invested heavily into casual games have lost money. The most glaring example is Zynga. That and there are factors that everyone who uses the casual angle forgets. One, the Wii was thre cheapest console this gen. The Wii U will not have that advantage for 1-2 years at least. And to be honest Sony and MS ARE going to announce PS3/360 price cut to hamper the Wii U. Two, the Wii sold on a gimmick that didn't work out too well all things considered. Hell, most of Nintendo's own 1st party games for the Wii U don't utilize the motion controls well enough to warrent how much it was hyped. Three, as I pointed out to another person on this thread. Wii sales came to a snail pace two years ago and haven't picked up. The Wii's hyped died. The Wii U has little buzz around it. No one seems to care about the tablet controller at all. And to be honest, the fact that this next gen console is being built to compete with current gen tech is only going to hurt the Wii U in the long run.

F)Hardcores and Midcores gave up on the Wii. Most games that were considered "core" on the Wii flopped hard. Zack and Wiki, Muramasa, No More Heroes, MadWorld, House of the Dead Overkill, and a few more games like them flopped pretty hard. That's what also caused 3rd party developers to keep their core games OFF the Wii.

2: Before I go on, I'd like to point out that CNN is not in any way, shape, or form, the perfect place to get Video Game News. Trusting CNN to give Video Game News would be like the Escapist to tell me how to water plants.

No its not. But it is mainstream news, and when one of the most watched news networks in the world tell the target casual gaming crowd that the Wii U is "just a new controller" that's all they hear. Casuals don't go to gaming websites. They watch NBC, CNN, and FOX. That's where their gaming news comes from. If you can't even tell the masses what you're selling, you should rethink your marketing plan.

Not only did I basically say that the "Meh" is only for Nintendo Doubters right now, your also wrong with the statement that Nintendo was beaten badly in the previous gens; Nintendo came in 2nd with the 64, and has a huge number of Hardcore Games on it, and it made money off of all of it. The Gamecube, yes, was a dissapointing third, but it still made them money.

I didn't say that they didn't make money. I was commenting on how fans of Nintendo use this generation's "success" with the Wii automatically makes the Wii U seem like something more amazing than it actually is. Also its to remind Nintendo fans that the Wii's success is not a result of marketing and technological genius, but rather the gimmick based marketing and cheap price if the Wii.

The only reason I would say Nintendo's stocks took a dip is because we're in a slow recovery period and Businesses at the time don't like taking risks.

I can't say the same seeing as how Nintendo's stock dropped when they announced the Wii U. Last Year. Yes there are slow economic times but that should not be used as a cover for mistakes made.

3: Not only is that improbable, requiring Nintendo to do something insanely dumb to piss everyone off, but that would be a downright stupid thing to say. Saying something won't be bought, after the thing before it was bought in huge amounts? That's gonna be a crazy claim. I know the Wii U Won't sell like the Wii, but it will sell, to Casuals, to Hardcores, to everyone.

But Nintendo has pissed off pretty much everyone. 3rd party developers like Capcom and Sega have gone on record saying that they won't put as many core games on Nintendo consoles due to horrible support from Nintendo. John Romero bashed the Wii U almost instantly. Core gamers had to annoy the hell out of Nintendo JUST to get Xenoblade Chronicles LOCALIZED. Non core gamers got bored of their Wiis and stopped buying them hand over fist due to the inevitability of all fads, they realized it was based on a gimmick. And if you still don't think Nintendo has pissed ANYONE off, look at the reception of E3 2012. It hasn't been good for Nintendo PR wise. There hasn't been this much criticism of Nintendo since the Wii Music reveal.

And you keep thinking that just because the Wii sold high amounts that the Wii U should sell well. Then please explain to me how the PS3, the successor to the highest selling console of all time came in 3rd this gen? By your logic the PS3 should have at least been able to make the 360 trail in sales.

Casuals won't buy it because they don't have great repeat buy rates. Hardcore won't buy it because the franchises that they want to play are on other consoles or the PC (especially with the port heavy launch list). Its on the longtime Nintendo fans to support this console for the most part.

 

[Pedro The Hutt]

But what does John Romero not bash if it isn't a high end PC? =p

That said, sigh, it's always us Europeans who get screwed over. XD Just for the mere fact we pay between 20% and 35% more for our games than Americans do thanks to the lovely $1=?1 policy that so many game publishers wield, we should be getting equal if not better treatment than US gamers. Rather than be forced to wait weeks to months on several games each year and then also have to pay more for our troubles.

 

[Your Fearless Captain]

I was planning on waiting at least a year before I even considered buying one. Unless someone awesome game comes out for it. Like a gritty Pokemon game.

 

[Guffe]

Funny how Nintendo haters and "hardcore gamers" come here and bash Nintendo and the ones who are going to buy it. I came here because I think the WiiU might be something interesting and to see what is maybe going to delay the launch of the new console.

I don't understand people who have no interest in the new console and still clicked the link, just like I don't go on Nikki Minaj or Bieber videos on youtube to comment because I don't have anything to do there. But hey, trollers gonna troll!

Personally I see nothing wrong with delaying the launch if something doesn't work. Better to give the people a full working device than to send something half ready to the market. I hope the WiiU will do good. I guess I'm getting it sometime but not at launch, Get a few titles at the same time, Pikmins out at launch. A new Mario and Zelda are a given, hoping for a StarFox and Metroid as well. Of course there'll be a few good JRPGs as well as for every new generation and hopefully some new successful IPs.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Funny how Nintendo haters and "hardcore gamers" come here and bash Nintendo and the ones who are going to buy it. I came here because I think the WiiU might be something interesting and to see what is maybe going to delay the launch of the new console.

I don't understand people who have no interest in the new console and still clicked the link, just like I don't go on Nikki Minaj or Bieber videos on youtube to comment because I don't have anything to do there. But hey, trollers gonna troll!

It's a forum. A forum is a place for public discussion, no matter the topic. Wanting to see less people have negative opinions of something you like defeats the purpose of such a thing. The beauty of the forum is that you can skip over posts you don't agree with. The fact that you bothered to even "call out" people who don't like the Wii U is baiting for a discussion, though you may not have meant it as such.

I go on forums both to support and criticize different things. If someone came out and didn't like what I liked I would either debate them or just ignore them. I'm not one for seeing a forum where everyone agrees, that's boring. If we can't even debate on the forums because people don't like seeing "haters" coming and "bashing" the topic, then where can we do so?

People are allowed to disagree with one another, and people who openly approve the nature of whatever topic they discuss should be prepared to face the fact that there are people who don't share the same views.

 

[Evil Smurf]

1. People, please stop using the word "hardcore" It makes me annoyed.
2. Nintendo will release the Wiiu with a strong line up of games so as to avoid the problems that the 3ds and Vita had
3. Patience people, this is coming.

 

[Guffe]

snappitysnip

It's a forum. A forum is a place for public discussion, no matter the topic.

people who don't like the Wii U is baiting for a discussion, though you may not have meant it as such.

I might've said it in a pretty unclear way... (English isn't my mothertongue and expressing myself via text isn't the easiest of things for me)
Of course the forum is a place to raise discussion and I have done that and do it all the time.
But what I was aiming for was more of the trolling kinda way, that's why I used the word "hater" as in someone who isn't going to change his mind but came here just to aggravate people.
Some of the first posts on this thread were something like:
"They run out of analog sticks?"
"Nobody' going to care abuot this"
"Slow news today?"

Stuff like this isn't going to raise discussion, these people came here to get their forum post meter up with 1 post and maybe hope for a Nintendo Fanboy to start screaming at them so they could say how silly and childish all Nintendo users are.

I'm all up for discussion and debating, but I'd like to keep it classy and not start it by trying to troll a certain group "just because I feel like it".
Just like you did, you quoted my post and gave a good reply on what you tought about my post, and I'm all good with that because the way you did it. Solid, good, calm and classy discussion.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

snappitysnip

It's a forum. A forum is a place for public discussion, no matter the topic.

people who don't like the Wii U is baiting for a discussion, though you may not have meant it as such.

I might've said it in a pretty unclear way... (English isn't my mothertongue and expressing myself via text isn't the easiest of things for me)
Of course the forum is a place to raise discussion and I have done that and do it all the time.
But what I was aiming for was more of the trolling kinda way, that's why I used the word "hater" as in someone who isn't going to change his mind but came here just to aggravate people.
Some of the first posts on this thread were something like:
"They run out of analog sticks?"
"Nobody' going to care abuot this"
"Slow news today?"

Stuff like this isn't going to raise discussion, these people came here to get their forum post meter up with 1 post and maybe hope for a Nintendo Fanboy to start screaming at them so they could say how silly and childish all Nintendo users are.

I'm all up for discussion and debating, but I'd like to keep it classy and not start it by trying to troll a certain group "just because I feel like it".
Just like you did, you quoted my post and gave a good reply on what you tought about my post, and I'm all good with that because the way you did it. Solid, good, calm and classy discussion.

I hear you, and I appreciate the fact that you enjoy a healthy discussion. The trolls here are newer escapists, they'll learn soon enough (with hope). I think as a forum we have a community responsibility to tell the trolls and fanboys to leave their shenanigans at the doorstep because that crap isn't tolerated on this site. This isn't gamespot or destructoid.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

1. People, please stop using the word "hardcore" It makes me annoyed.
2. Nintendo will release the Wiiu with a strong line up of games so as to avoid the problems that the 3ds and Vita had
3. Patience people, this is coming.

1.The word hardcore will not simply stop being used because people don't like it. There is such a thing as a "core" gamer and a "casual" gamer, that much cannot be argued anymore. The market for casual games has been created by companies like Rovio and Zynga. But answer me this, what annoys you about the use of the word "hardcore"?

2.The WiiU's line up is already up, and its not that strong. In fact its mostly ports of ganes that have been out for months to at least a year. That and sequels. There are a couple of new IPs but the Wii U doesn't have a strong killer app.

3. People are patient. Not many people are saying that they are totally in dire need of this console. The raving hype that the Wii had isn't here this time.

 

[TJC]

*sigh*
Nintendo, after decades, why do you still hate Europe? I thought after Xenoblade Chronicles and Last Story that you are on our side now and after decades of SNES and N64 games that never made it past the Atlantic Ocean it is OUR turn now to enjoy incredible games while leaving Americans nothing but costly imports and crappy youtube videos.

But no, we get screwed again although we turned out to be a just a valueable market as the US and with the strength of the ? (which is declining, yes...) it would've been smart to cater to our needs.

Alas, we're destined to suffer for late games and console releases... at least we still have Australia... those suckers >


Frankly, I'm curious about the WiiU. Aside from a completely asinine name, it's a great concept and I'm in a situation where I just have t buy it. I have a Wii with three Wiimotes and a lot of gamers friends and a couple of non-gamer friends who'd like to get into vidja games but never have a chance to catch up with us regular gamers.

I honestly think that the WiiU will have some sort of snowballing effect in its sales, relying on a LOT of mouth to mouth propaganda. It will be a slow start and only a year later (probably after the first price cut) it will see decent sales that will steady be in profitable level. That is, if Nintendo can keep up a decent game release schedule.

 

[ZehMadScientist]

Eh... I wasn't going to get this at launch myself, but Nintendo is seemingly making it a habit of theirs to delay anything for us undeserving Europeans.

Ok Nintendo, give me a new F-Zero game where I can play online with 29 others, and I'll forgive you.

 

[Shia-Neko-Chan]

oh no. How will I sit in front of my tv with a large and uncomfortable iPad controller with terrible generic zombie shooter that everyone only wants to play because it was the only half-decent game (even though it's extremely generic) at e3 this holiday season?

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Firstly, consoles have always had previous gen titles as launch titles. The 360 had Gun, Call Of Duty 2, Fifa 06, Need For Speed: Most Wanted, Splinter Cell: Double Agentn, Tony Hawks, Tiger Woods, NBA and Madden as launch titles, all of which were also available on the Xbox.

The 360 also actually had hardware upgrades compared to the previous gen, unlike the Wii U.

You're deliberately misrepresenting how consoles launch. Consoles have always used previous gen games to bolster their library, before the big guns start to appear later on. Gears Of War didn't appear until over a year after the 360 had launched. Halo 3, the console's biggest exclusive, didn't release until two years after the 360 launched.

The 360 is a bad example of how to launch in terms of games because it also came out a year before the competition. The PS3 launched with the Uncharted and Resistance franchises immediately. The Wii U should have more original IPs to sell at launch because I highly doubt that Mass Effect 3 is going to sell units.

The Wii U has Pikmin 3 and ZombiU exclusively at launch, both of which are unique enough in gameplay and design to warrant attention from gamers, and both of which could become killer apps if they end up as good as promised. It also has Nintendoland to provide as an attraction for the millions of people who enjoyed Wii Sports, and Project P-100 to provide some Wii U exclusive craziness.

Pikmin 3 is a sequel that's coming 8 years too late. It's no longer unique anymore as there are other games like it like Overlord, and Little King's story. Hell, even Project P-100 looks like it uses a decent chunk of the Pikmin formula. The games aren't as unique as you're painting them. And to be honest ZombiU seems to be just another zombie FPS with the gimmicky tablet controls attached.

And as for Nintendo land, I highly doubt that people are stoked for yet ANOTHER party game/mini game comp. People enjoyed Wii Sports yeah, but it came for free with the Wii. People also got bored of Wii Sports pretty quick.

3. People are patient. Not many people are saying that they are totally in dire need of this console. The raving hype that the Wii had isn't here this time.

Funny, because the millions upon millions of views on Youtube regarding Wii U stuff would bed to differ. The E3 2011 trailer alone has got 6 million views, more than any of the trailers for Modern Warfare 3. That to me suggests there's a lot of hype for the console.[/quote]1. You're using YouTube as a tracker for hype? Ok then, if you really want to use the worst internet community as your point maker then by all means go ahead, but at least get your facts straight.

The Wii U reveal trailer is at 6.9 million views:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e3qaPg_keg

The MW3 trailer (i don't know why you're bringing up MW3 as its already out) has 23 million views:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coiTJbr9m04

Now the Black Ops 2 trailer has 24 million views:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3tedlWs1XY

So by using your logic, you've effectively told me that the hype for the Wii U is significantly lower than 2 copy paste shooters. Keep in mind that YouTube views make horrible market research as the people who watched the aforementioned videos are(and probably have) going to purchase the product shown.

You've not made an argument for the Wii U that makes it sound as great as YOU want it to be.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

oh no. How will I sit in front of my tv with a large and uncomfortable iPad controller with terrible generic zombie shooter that everyone only wants to play because it was the only half-decent game (even though it's extremely generic) at e3 this holiday season?

Yeah hear you on that. Between ZombieU, Pikmin3 and Project P-100 (which could just be called Pikmin on even more LSD) there's not much on the Wii U that says "buy me"..