If anyone born before the year 2050 sincerely thought they were going to see humans on Mars in their lifetime, they deserve a smack in the mouth for being so dumb.
Mars One Finalist: It's All a Scam
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Yeah, I kinda had my doubts about this after looking into the whole viability of such a project. Even if you believed it was possible, the window of opportunity to reach Mars is fast approaching and, by all accounts, we don't have the ability to actually do it.
Even at it's closest, the time to reach Mars would be accurately gauged in years. Issues or gravity, food and water, and just plain surviving the trip are major concerns. The Martian gravity, atmosphere, and other concerns would make like pretty miserable. And you'd basically be living in boxes for the rest of your life and the smallest bit of damage could kill everyone and would be incredibly difficult to fix as extra parts would be million/billions of miles away.
Yeah, basically, its not likely until we make some huge leaps in technology. Artificial gravity is pretty much necessary and some sort of faster space travel would be nice.
Even at it's closest, the time to reach Mars would be accurately gauged in years. Issues or gravity, food and water, and just plain surviving the trip are major concerns. The Martian gravity, atmosphere, and other concerns would make like pretty miserable. And you'd basically be living in boxes for the rest of your life and the smallest bit of damage could kill everyone and would be incredibly difficult to fix as extra parts would be million/billions of miles away.
Yeah, basically, its not likely until we make some huge leaps in technology. Artificial gravity is pretty much necessary and some sort of faster space travel would be nice.
I've often said. before they can build a base on the moon, they need to build a self-sustaining colony on the ocean floor. At least a thousand feet down. Yeah I know space and the ocean are two fairly different environments but the methods and problems are comprable. You have to creat a sealed, air tight, pressurized enclosure capoable of withstanding a variety of stresses. Find a way to generate, store and recycle oxygen water and food for the long term, and keep people from going batshit insane for the same period.wulfy42 said:
It'll be cheaper, easier and less harmful than trying to develop the techniques in space.. for starters there's a whole slew of problems caused be low-micro gravity. Weakening of the bones, heart, muscles and blood vessels for starters.. Then there's the bacteria. Yeah apparently in low gravity, Virii fungi and bacteria basically go super saiyan.. while the human immune system conversely gets a little weaker.
Oh, don't worry Roche. No one is seriously considering this group as part of the scientific community.
What's sad is that they missed a reality TV deal. Imagine if they'd created something like a test Mars community in the desert and filmed it as x number of people competed for a seat?
Scams are pretty lame, but scams that could be far more successful are disappointing for more reasons.
It's like the first time you're told that wrestling isn't real, and you have a bunch of heartbreak and stuff, but then your brain kicks in and looks back over it and goes "Well OF COURSE it's a crock of bullshit."
It's a time like this that I feel we should re-evaluate going to Mars. Sure it'd be an amazing accomplishment, but there is no point to it. The planet doesn't have a breathable atmosphere, surface water, gravity worth a damn, or any indication of a fuel source. The people who went there would have to take what they needed with them, and the planet would be constantly requiring (very expensive) re-supply runs. Given that we are a currency driven society, there are no fiscal benefits to going there. Europa has water and oxygen, probably not near survivable levels, but it's a better objective to aim for.
I don't know that I ever really believed it. It's more a case of "I want to believe". Even though I know with increasing certainty whenever I hear about a new development in this project that there's no way it's ever going to happen, I want it to be true so much that a sort of groundless optimism invades my thoughts.Shocksplicer said:
Martin Luther generally requires the thing being promised to be actual salvation and not merely a bus ride from one point which is a fully functional place to another place which is likely a death trap.Piorn said:
Kind of sounds like they're promising damnation for fiscal compensation.
If true, that's disappointing and I hope some people get what is coming to them for it.
With NASA not having such ambitious plans for it, I heavily doubted it was possible in such a short amount of time, let alone actually being successful. But I was hopeful that it would work out somehow.
With NASA not having such ambitious plans for it, I heavily doubted it was possible in such a short amount of time, let alone actually being successful. But I was hopeful that it would work out somehow.
Wait.. How exactly was it supposed to be salvation? Even if it was/is true everyone involved has to know the odds would be stacked against them. That's the opposite of what you're saying.Piorn said:
Well, I guess when you see it on a global scale, they're promising the colonization of Mars for the low price of just a few lives.Lightknight said:
In general, I just find it disgusting to exploit the Hopes of People for monetary gain, doubly so if it slanders the name of something that is primarily supposed to do good.
Of course it was a scam. I just wish NASA would get some more funding to make an actual attempt to go to Mars. It pisses me off that there is so little drive in government to explore space.
So will the Mars One ship just be a cardboard box labelled "Spehhs Racket"?
And this will be mission control:
XD
I was kind of anticipating some level of tomfoolery when I heard how much money and commercialisation there was involved. No surprise there then if this claim is true.
And this will be mission control:
XD
I was kind of anticipating some level of tomfoolery when I heard how much money and commercialisation there was involved. No surprise there then if this claim is true.
Because, unfortunately, exploration is a form of luxury, a risk often too big to take for all but the wealthiest of nations/organizations/individuals. If a Mars mission was to solve an immediate "earthly" problem we have, you can bet your ass NASA would get the funding.Blazing Hero said:
Hell, just convince the US Government that Edward Snowden is hiding on Mars and there'd be a rocket launching for there by the beginning of next year.freaper said:
In any case...is anyone at all surprised that this is probably a scam? Six billion is a drop in the ocean for something like this and the whole reality TV thing just seemed bizarre. As did the canvassing for members of the general public to be the crew.
Hmm? Mars has water. Not as much, but enough. (Neither have significant accessible oxygen, but you can make it from water and recycle it from CO2 with plants.) It also has accessible mineral wealth, which Europa lacks, meaning you can relatively easily build stuff on Mars with local materials and on Europa you cannot build anything but igloos.008Zulu said:
Europa is also much farther - like over ten times farther in their respective closest approaches. Then there's the extreme radiation belts it bathes in. Simply surviving the journey is a much more difficult proposition.
Don't get me wrong, Mars would be very difficult, but Europa manages to be substantially worse.
Wait wait wait, are you saying picking dozens of 50 year-olds for a mission slated ten years from now, for a one-way trip to found a colony on Mars may may have been blowing smoke up everyone ass?!
I mean for fucks sake! From what I remember, there were only a handful of teens on the list. Meaning you're only going to get a handful of 20 somethings on the colony. And it was mostly 30 and 40 year-olds, meaning the average age will be between 40-50 years old. Meaning it'll be an aging population with little to no kids that dies off within a decade or two of landing.
I mean for fucks sake! From what I remember, there were only a handful of teens on the list. Meaning you're only going to get a handful of 20 somethings on the colony. And it was mostly 30 and 40 year-olds, meaning the average age will be between 40-50 years old. Meaning it'll be an aging population with little to no kids that dies off within a decade or two of landing.
There was no way that we could send people to live on Mars when the most we've done so far is land a handful of people on the moon. At worst, the organizers would end up having to report back to the public that several "lucky volunteers" have become the first people to die on Mars, and any future plans would be delayed exponentially. Even assuming that everything goes as planned and all the astronauts arrive safely, they would most likely suffer mental breakdowns from the sheer boredom of being stranded on the equivalent of a big, empty desert, the lack of sunlight exposure, and isolation from society. What happens when critical equipment fails and needs to be replaced with parts from Earth? A colony on Mars would be the collaboration of every space agency in the world and several dozens of billions of dollars of funding, not a 6 billion dollar private venture.
I'm pretty sure the point wasn't to actually colonise it in terms of "breeding population". It was just to get people there to live there until they die.Silentpony said: