Martial Arts question

[zen5887]

I've always wondered the effectiveness of holds and locks in a street fight. I've spared with some friend and ended it with an armbar but we were never out to really hurt each other.

Picture this situation:

You've got into a scruff with a guy (in self defence of course) and you've ended up in an advantageous position but you need to show him that the fight is really over. You're choices boil down to: Punch the dude in the face a few times or put him in an Armbar/kimura/whatever. For the sake of this discussion, lets say that from skill/luck you can apply the lock flawlessly.

Which would you go for an why?

Has anyone had any experience with this?

 

[lolandrew4]

I was never good at grappling, so I would just punch him out and leave it at that

 

[ucciolord1]

I would throw him 500 feet, then blast off into space.
Or I would drag him into the public. People are a lot less likely to beat the crap out of you when they know someone may be watching.

 

[omega 616]

Depends if you wanted to punish or make them calm down, if you wanted to punish punch him a few times, if you want him to calm down arm bar him.

Simples.

 

[Julianking93]

I was always best at counter moves so I'd go with armbar so I could break his arm.

 

[BGH122]

It depends, we need more information.

Is this just a schoolyard rough and tumble fistfight, a mouthy kid who got what he asked for? Is this an armed criminal? Is this a fight to the death?

I'd apply moves based upon necessity. The self-defence instructionals I've participated in have all stressed applying the amount of force necessitated by the situation. I'm hardly going to break some kid's arm in a school fight, but it might be necessary to do so against an armed foe.

 

[Mr Scott]

I would put him in a Full Nelson and dislocate both of his arms. Then the fight would be over 'cos he can't use his arms.

 

[MorsePacific]

I don't know any type of martial art, so I'd go with my old stand-by. Kick to the face.

 

[WhamBamSam]

I do Taekwondo, so I don't know a great degree of grappling. Still, I'd probably favor the lock, as it leaves less visible and less significant damage, assuming that they submit expediently. If they won't submit, then I'd still favor the lock, as a dislocated shoulder is much more certain than a smashed in face, so far as ending the fight goes.

 

[Valkyira]

Well seeing as either one could break his arm, i wouldn't do any of them. Instead just punch him again

 

[Macflash]

Wrestling/Grapling moves tend to be the most effective in street fights, mainly because no one really has any idea what to do against them. Nothing ends a fight quite like a dislocated shoulder.

 

[BonsaiK]

I've always wondered the effectiveness of holds and locks in a street fight. I've spared with some friend and ended it with an armbar but we were never out to really hurt each other.

Picture this situation:

You've got into a scruff with a guy (in self defence of course) and you've ended up in an advantageous position but you need to show him that the fight is really over. You're choices boil down to: Punch the dude in the face a few times or put him in an Armbar/kimura/whatever. For the sake of this discussion, lets say that from skill/luck you can apply the lock flawlessly.

Which would you go for an why?

Has anyone had any experience with this?

An armbar is a better way to end the fight if you have a choice, because it has the potential to deliver a lot more pain, therefore someone who is fighting you to flex his ego is going to be cut right down to size as they start whimpering "stop" etc. Nobody is proud of being arm-barred, it's a psychologically unsettling position to be in. On the other hand being punched in the face is something that some jock dickheads wear like a badge of honour.

Where ground tactics like armbars etc don't work that well is if you're facing off against a group of people, or if you think it's likely that someone else might intervene. Putting someone in an armbar makes you vulnerable to attacks from a third party, so assess those risks before you apply it. A punch in the face is quicker and allows you to then get out of the situation fast if you have to, such as in a self-defense scenario where someone who accosts you might be in a group, or have buddies within earshot or visual range.

 

[WhiteRat07]

My dad was really into martial arts and taught me some.Really striking is what your gonna use in any street fight.A lock while effective, leaves you vunerable to someone else attacking you.

 

[GrandAm]

When it comes to martial arts opinions really vary. Some are based on personal pride regarding "mine is better than yours." So I really avoid those types of discussions. It can sometimes be like talking politics or religion.

Really the best advice I can give is this...don't start a fight or otherwise do your absolutely best to avoid one. In modern society we have these things called police and the judicial system. Even in the end it is ruled self defence, you could still end up having to pay thousands in court. there is no amount of pride or ego that will make you feel good about the result in the end.

If some dude at a bar is mouthing off to you it is better to leave the situation. If that dude actually touches you, don't hit just leave if possible or call the police. For all you know that guy has some sort of a congenital defects that your defending yourself may trigger his death. My brother (peace be with him) would mouth off out of pride. The fact is he had heart problems and if someone punched or kicked him in the chest they could have killed him. Even if that person could prove my brother started it, the local DA could still try to prosecute for manslaughter. The guy would win, but he still would have had massive legal bills, yet alone live with the fact somebody died by his hands.

Also you don't know if the person you are fighting has a gun or knife. You don't know who in the crowd is his friend and if they are armed. Some people just look for trouble and provoke to see who will take the bait.

Even if you win the fight, expect legal hassles. If you lose it could mean your life or someone else.

In short the best way to win a street fight is to swallow any pride and ego and leave the situation and go elsewhere if you can. Keep the martial arts in the dojo or ring only; this is the best solution.

 

[Sulu]

Manly men punch and headbutt, girly men grapple each other and wear latex. Choose your side!

 

[zen5887]

An armbar is a better way to end the fight if you have a choice, because it has the potential to deliver a lot more pain, therefore someone who is fighting you to flex his ego is going to be cut right down to size as they start whimpering "stop" etc. Nobody is proud of being arm-barred, it's a psychologically unsettling position to be in. On the other hand being punched in the face is something that some jock dickheads wear like a badge of honour.

Such a good point!

Where ground tactics like armbars etc don't work that well is if you're facing off against a group of people, or if you think it's likely that someone else might intervene. Putting someone in an armbar makes you vulnerable to attacks from a third party, so assess those risks before you apply it. A punch in the face is quicker and allows you to then get out of the situation fast if you have to, such as in a self-defense scenario where someone who accosts you might be in a group, or have buddies within earshot or visual range.

Haha also a good point. I would have to have some guy in an armbar only to be stomped on by his mates.

Situational awareness is the key in this one.

 

[zen5887]

SNIP

Mmm..

This thread isn't about which martial art is better.. I am well aware of the futility of that discussion. This thread also isn't about the legal side of getting into a fight.

This thread is about the hypothetical situation in which you can do two things, and which one of those two things would be better.

Even though we all appreciate your contribution in this thread, you post had nothing to do with the topic. It was like posting about fish and chips in a thread about medieval France.

 

[GrandAm]

SNIP

Mmm..

This thread isn't about which martial art is better.. I am well aware of the futility of that discussion. This thread also isn't about the legal side of getting into a fight.

This thread is about the hypothetical situation in which you can do two things, and which one of those two things would be better.

Even though we all appreciate your contribution in this thread, you post had nothing to do with the topic. It was like posting about fish and chips in a thread about medieval France.

My bad and I am sorry. While I will leave the post I will add no futher comment to this post unless quoted by someone else or if you as the OP pose a specific question to me through PM regarding the subject. Again sorry for my misunderstanding and cheers!