Marvel Comics Outs A Founding X-Man As Gay
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Well, they did cancel the Fantastic Four comic because they didn't have the rights to the film series, so they are willing to punish their own fans over the movies.crimson5pheonix said:
That's how I read it as well. The older Iceman also struggled with his feelings and attractions, but decided to bury them down and deny they exist.LifeCharacter said:
A gay character confirmed as actually closeted? A difficult topic and it'll be interesting to see how they handle it. That being said, The sample pages make it look clumsy as fuck, and while I'm always happy to see more gay characters, this seems a little out of the blue. Then again, that kind of describes every Marvel retcon ever.
Side note: Gay people "deciding" they're going to hide or suppress their sexuality isn't uncommon, and I don't see how having a character do so is offensive.
Side note: Gay people "deciding" they're going to hide or suppress their sexuality isn't uncommon, and I don't see how having a character do so is offensive.
Hasn't quite happened yet and with exception of the one we know about in that Avengers book, we're not sure who's making it.Zontar said:
The original question: Colossus 616 is straight, though the crush he had for Kitty Pryde well before she was above the age of consent has made him the butt of a few pedophile jokes over the years.
My take on this: clumsly written, even by comics standards. Yet another "shocking" twist to appeal to the SJ demographic. Opens a big can of worms over the whole born or choice thing, and worst of all, needless.
I'm not saying this to avoid gay characters in comics. I'm saying this because we already have some that could have the exposure. I've wanted ultimate Spider Woman to get a solo book for years. Wiccan and Hulkling could use more time (in a better Young avengers book than the last one). Lightspeed (the oldest daughter in Power Pack) was dating the alien girl from the Runaways. Biggest disappointment to Guardians of the Galaxy is the lack of Phylia and Moondragon. Hell, if you want to tell a similar story without the time travel issues, Marvel's loved changing sexualities of characters in alternate universes.
Ah screw it. Here's the list
http://marvel.wikia.com/Category:Homosexual_Characters
Drop the shock value and give some lower tiers some screen time.
Why? just cause marvel needs diversity? thats dumb, don't turn characters gay just cause you need to push diversity, create a character that from the start is gay, and please don't make it the atraction point, this should be his/her background not the part that defines the character.
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So I guess that makes Iceman... flaming?
OT: Cool stuff, can't complain. Just wondering how long it'll be until they reboot this and make it non-canon
OT: Cool stuff, can't complain. Just wondering how long it'll be until they reboot this and make it non-canon
That'd make sense if the comic didn't also say - via the psychic with a obvious pension for reading people's minds whenever she feels like it - that adult Iceman isn't gay.LifeCharacter said:
So either the writing is inconsistent, or they're implying you can quit being gay if you want to. Either way this comes off poorly handled.
As mentioned above by others, once it gets the realization part out of the way it gets a bit better, writing wise, but it just feels lazy.
Somehow I'm struggling to give a shit.
Maybe it's because I've never read the comics or the mere fact that Action, violence and gore seems to be more suited rather than SJW gossip. If you're gonna do it, don't make it a big thing.
Again, I've never read the comics. Maybe I'm missing the hundreds of theories about something.
Maybe it's because I've never read the comics or the mere fact that Action, violence and gore seems to be more suited rather than SJW gossip. If you're gonna do it, don't make it a big thing.
Again, I've never read the comics. Maybe I'm missing the hundreds of theories about something.
Well thats stupid. Why? Miles Morales was a good character because he was hispanic to start with. He wasnt a white guy that got changed into a hispanic guy just because. Same with the Asian Ms Marvel, she was a Pakistani/American before she got the power and not a colour swap. I think they need to introduce a new character that happens to be gay instead of just choosing a character at random.
But then maybe im looking at it wrong. Maybe gay people out there will take to this as it compares to their lives when they came out as gay. An they can identify with it more than a straight person can. For me, it seems its change for the sake of it but for a gay person it may resonate on a different level.
But then maybe im looking at it wrong. Maybe gay people out there will take to this as it compares to their lives when they came out as gay. An they can identify with it more than a straight person can. For me, it seems its change for the sake of it but for a gay person it may resonate on a different level.
Okay I am calling BS... BS I tell you. I'm guessing that fling with MYstique was just a cover eh? Not to mention the other ladies Bobby's chased after over the years.
Dear sweet Gods will these people stop trying to pander to the LGBT community already. Either do it for real or don't do it at all.
Dear sweet Gods will these people stop trying to pander to the LGBT community already. Either do it for real or don't do it at all.
I'm all for equality as much as the next person...
... But I've read those older comics, and, yeah, this is just a full-on retcon. He was chasing after Polaris for decades because of his overwhelming crush on her. He chased after her as hard as Wolverine chased after Jean. He had other love interests too over the years.
And maybe you could say he was "closeted"... but his internal monologues and narrations certainly didn't support it. He was written as straight and any subtext anyone might have seen was unintentional or simply not there.
I mean, BATMAN had more gay subtext than Iceman ever did.
Why couldn't they just, you know, make up a brand new gay character? Why is it always revising and retconning established ones?
One of the things I loved about the new Mortal Kombat X game is that the new hero, Kung Jin, is gay and they didn't feel the need to have some big grand announcement about it. He's a new character. He's gay. He's also awesome. Just the way it should be.
These panels are painful to read through. Jean Grey violating his privacy without his consent is far more alarming than retconning Iceman's sexuality. Geez, girl...
... But I've read those older comics, and, yeah, this is just a full-on retcon. He was chasing after Polaris for decades because of his overwhelming crush on her. He chased after her as hard as Wolverine chased after Jean. He had other love interests too over the years.
And maybe you could say he was "closeted"... but his internal monologues and narrations certainly didn't support it. He was written as straight and any subtext anyone might have seen was unintentional or simply not there.
I mean, BATMAN had more gay subtext than Iceman ever did.
Why couldn't they just, you know, make up a brand new gay character? Why is it always revising and retconning established ones?
One of the things I loved about the new Mortal Kombat X game is that the new hero, Kung Jin, is gay and they didn't feel the need to have some big grand announcement about it. He's a new character. He's gay. He's also awesome. Just the way it should be.
These panels are painful to read through. Jean Grey violating his privacy without his consent is far more alarming than retconning Iceman's sexuality. Geez, girl...
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OT: I don't have a problem with this in theory, the execution is weird and kind of fucked up. they should have at least have a story arc foreshadowing it instead of having Jean Grey being a jackass and invading his personal privacy but I'm not the biggest comic book fan so whatever.
I will enjoy this thread being on fire now.
It's the sad reality of the situation: characters like Northstar and Karma are already gay X-men, but only the big names count, hence lame retcon.MonsterCrit said:
Maybe. I'm not too familiar myself, just going off what's presented here.LifeCharacter said:
The conversation makes it sounds like she's pretty confident in it (again, coupled with the fact that she just decided to read young iceman's mind about this topic, so I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this version of her does it whenever).
Bobby: "But my older self ISN'T. We've met him"
Jean: "I know"
Bobby: "So..."
Jean: "Buy you-"
Bobby: "Stop"
Jean: "Are"
That's Jean - for whatever her knowledge on the adult version is worth - stating that she knows he isn't gay, but young Bobby is.
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This pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter.
In fact, this team can't seem to get through an issue without somebody slapping Jean's hand for poking around in other people's brains.
This pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter.
Well. Yes. Actually.LifeCharacter said:
In fact, this team can't seem to get through an issue without somebody slapping Jean's hand for poking around in other people's brains.
Let's be honest, character in comic books is something that's changed constantly at the snap of a finger, they've been getting shit on for decades. People just selectively get mad about select things.Fox12 said:
this could have been done a lot easier if they had some weird bullshitty 'a telepath made me straight' excuse rather than "No, Iceman's always been closetted, and that time Emma Frost shared his brain for months she never made any indication of this despite knowing his innermost thoughts." It's just... kind of a shitty retcon, they could've executed it better if this was going to be their decision.Plus, what was so bad about him being bi? I thought he was one of the only male bi characters I could think of (top of my head though). I dunno, I mean, it's a story? I guess it's good to be supportive it's just as a story it seems really f*cking inept?
(related note: Anyone else think Bendis has a very weird thing for Kitty Pryde? He seems to always write her into relationships outside the X-men ala Ultimate Spiderman. I mean it works but Star Lord X Shadowcat? That kind of came out of nowhere.)