Marvel's Doctor Strange Will Not Be an Origin Story

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I found it ironic, spiderman had 2 orgin story, hulk had a tv series and movie telling the same orgin story. Both batman and superman had numerous orgin stories.

Yet Dr.Strange is relatively new to non-comic readers but they're skipping the orgin? This does not make sense.
 

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VondeVon said:
The only Sorcerer Supreme I'd be interested in watching a movie about is one staring Captain Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce.
Alan Alda is like 80 years old.
 

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So the same as Thors then? Not really an Origin Story on how he got the hammer or said powers at the beginning? Fine by me.

Don't know why people are shocked though, non of the Guardians got an Origin story, and again, Thor didn't :p same for Black Widow and Hawkeye. They will undoubtedly referance an Origin though.

Still, can't wait to see a new hero in the MCU, i love that they are tackling generally unknown hero's instead of sticking to the ones everyone knows.
 

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No surprise here. Dr. Strange was already listed as a Hydra target in Winter Soldier. They're not going to roll back their ongoing timeline for anything more than maybe a quick origin flashback.
 

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I guess I'm ok with that since his origin story isn't exactly long or rather it can be done in less than 30 minutes.
 

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ExtraDebit said:
I found it ironic, spiderman had 2 orgin story, hulk had a tv series and movie telling the same orgin story. Both batman and superman had numerous orgin stories.

Yet Dr.Strange is relatively new to non-comic readers but they're skipping the orgin? This does not make sense.
Yeah, this is a weird place to do that. But hey, maybe they can make it work.
 

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Random Argument Man said:
I'm so happy they ditched the idea of "origin stories". It's been the same formula for a long while.

1a. Hero gets powers and motivation.
1b. Hero had powers and decided to use them.
2. Second act consist of him doing stuff while the villain plots in the background.
3. It's the big clash between hero and villain in the 3rd act.
What you've described is a basic story structure, and isn't exclusive to Origin Stories.
Zachary Amaranth said:
ExtraDebit said:
I found it ironic, spiderman had 2 orgin story, hulk had a tv series and movie telling the same orgin story. Both batman and superman had numerous orgin stories.

Yet Dr.Strange is relatively new to non-comic readers but they're skipping the orgin? This does not make sense.
Yeah, this is a weird place to do that. But hey, maybe they can make it work.
My guess is they are trying to avoid nailing down too much about the magic stuff, to keep the religious freakos from yelling about Satanism!! and ERHMAGURD MARVEL IS TRYING TO CORRUPT OUR CHILDREN WITH THEIR EVIL MAGIC STORY! Notice how in Thor, they made a point to say that "Magic and Technology are one in the same" to sort of handwave away the mystic side of Marvel-verse. I think this is intentional, to gloss over it and avoid ruffling any feather, so they'll just sort of mention it in a short flashback, and then go back to the main events.

Problem solved.
 

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Hate to disappoint everyone, but they will include his origin in the movie, even if it's a simple one liner about being in a car crash and learning magic at some temple.
The point is that the movie won't be about his origin itself. We won't get more than a mention or a flashback.
 

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Happyninja42 said:
My guess is they are trying to avoid nailing down too much about the magic stuff, to keep the religious freakos from yelling about Satanism!! and ERHMAGURD MARVEL IS TRYING TO CORRUPT OUR CHILDREN WITH THEIR EVIL MAGIC STORY! Notice how in Thor, they made a point to say that "Magic and Technology are one in the same" to sort of handwave away the mystic side of Marvel-verse. I think this is intentional, to gloss over it and avoid ruffling any feather, so they'll just sort of mention it in a short flashback, and then go back to the main events.

Problem solved.
Keep in mind Thor was always about space aliens with advanced technology that resembles magic. Or perhaps not always, but the idea of magic being the same as technology is pretty old in Thor and likely has nothing to do with placating complainers. It likely had to do more wiith trying to reconcile the comics.

Similarly, I don't think the "Sorcerer Supreme" will have fewer complaints if they don't nail down when and how he learned sorcery, but they've done multiple comics that deal with the concept of magic as simply being "interdimensional energy" in a very sci-fi way.
 

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Edguy said:
Wouldn't it be awesome if they made an M rated Dr Strange movie full of twisted, demonic and gory imagery, and really scary villain(s)?
With the House of Mouse looming over their shoulders? I can't see that happening, and to be honest I don't really mind that at all; gory, shock-horror stuff isn't the kind of thing I associate with Doctor Strange, or at least the more memorable stuff I've read of his. Strange is about mystery, and certainly it can be horrifying, but in a more Lovecraftian styling rather than Hellraiser (something that Scott Derrickson worked on I noticed, at least one of them anyway).
 

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The only movie I've seen of his is Sinister, which I can definitely say is nothing like the typical modern horror schlock. There is probably only one "jump scare" (if it can even be considered that), and the rest is entirely psychological/atmospheric. In other words, it's a horror movie that actually induces in you a sense of horror, rather than just trying to startle you, and it actually works.
That's actually quite reassuring; if it's a horror director at the helm, I'd rather it was one who didn't rely on the very samey tropes that modern horror films seem to exhibit so much of. Marvel does have a nice record (for the most part) of picking directors you might not expect to work on big budget superhero movies and letting them work (Shane Black and James Gunn spring to mind), and I'm hoping it's the case with Scott Derrickson.
 

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So will it be more like Tim Burtons Batman? Where he was Batman already and you got flash backs to tell the origin instead of a whole movie dedicated to it. Its a great idea.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Happyninja42 said:
My guess is they are trying to avoid nailing down too much about the magic stuff, to keep the religious freakos from yelling about Satanism!! and ERHMAGURD MARVEL IS TRYING TO CORRUPT OUR CHILDREN WITH THEIR EVIL MAGIC STORY! Notice how in Thor, they made a point to say that "Magic and Technology are one in the same" to sort of handwave away the mystic side of Marvel-verse. I think this is intentional, to gloss over it and avoid ruffling any feather, so they'll just sort of mention it in a short flashback, and then go back to the main events.

Problem solved.
Keep in mind Thor was always about space aliens with advanced technology that resembles magic. Or perhaps not always, but the idea of magic being the same as technology is pretty old in Thor and likely has nothing to do with placating complainers. It likely had to do more wiith trying to reconcile the comics.

Similarly, I don't think the "Sorcerer Supreme" will have fewer complaints if they don't nail down when and how he learned sorcery, but they've done multiple comics that deal with the concept of magic as simply being "interdimensional energy" in a very sci-fi way.
Yes, but the character Thor, is also referred to, and is most commonly known as the God of Thunder. Which then begs the questions:

Well is he a god? Are they actual dieties, or just aliens like in Stargate SG 1? Is it some subtle attack on Christianity and a declaration against religion?!?! PROTEST!!

I'm waxing fanatic there of course, simply to illustrate some of the likely stupid arguments that some people will make. And they will try and make them, considering their track record over the years with other stories that go against their religious beliefs.

And yes, doing the "magic as just energy" thing, I think is a very concerted effort on the publishers part, to prevent any group from going apeshit about what the story is trying to suggest. Back when Dr. Strange was first created, they probably just didn't care, but over the years, as the moral religious-oids started getting more vocal, and yelling about stuff, it seems entirely reasonable on the part of a publisher, to avoid further bad press and stupid boycott's of their harmless story, by just retconning the source of the power a bit. I mean hell, that's something comics are famous for, rewriting the entire cosmos to fit some new writers story concept.
 

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Happyninja42 said:
Are they actual dieties, or just aliens like in Stargate SG 1? Is it some subtle attack on Christianity and a declaration against religion?!?! PROTEST!!
So nothing's changed then. As the Asgardians have always (or long) been like the Asgard from SG-1, inspiring the God myths, they haven't changed anything for the movie or even skirted the complaints.
 

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Well, put it this way... If the common audience still wants some kind of origin-based story for Doctor Strange, then we can just point them to the animated movie with him in it... (Coincidentally, I was going to do the same thing with Wonder Women, but I digress..)

Anyway, a horror-esque Strange movie does peak my interest nonetheless, given the director in question...
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Happyninja42 said:
Are they actual dieties, or just aliens like in Stargate SG 1? Is it some subtle attack on Christianity and a declaration against religion?!?! PROTEST!!
So nothing's changed then. As the Asgardians have always (or long) been like the Asgard from SG-1, inspiring the God myths, they haven't changed anything for the movie or even skirted the complaints.
Didn't we already establish that Stargate is Apocrypha?
 

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Well, that makes sense considering his
name is mentioned on the "list of threats to HYDRA."

And please have Dormammu as the main antagonist. I've said it before, but if I keep saying it, it might just happen.
 

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Hooray, they finally realized no one likes origin stories... for the one character who's origin story I didn't actually know until now...