Marvels Jessica Jones is just extreme feminism and blaxploitation (Spoilers)

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WARNING! Series spoilers of course. WARNING!

Before anyone thinks me as a prime example of male chauvinist, I don't mind female protagonist when done right(femshep>maleshep). Marvels Jessica Jones protagonist isn't done right. More or less like the whole script/directing is just terrible exploitation.

The series has 3 white male main charaters that are all somewhat flawed or bad. The main antogonist Kilgrave is the "epithome of white male" a English man, a colonist, a person with no morality, who's victims are mostly women, homosexuals and colored. Next is Reuben a silly, bit retarded white male who is in love with the female protagonist and is totally dependent of the care of his sister (Quote from the series "He coulnd't even tie his shoelaces without me!") Then there is the white male "hero" Simpson who is basically first a good but bit simple cop that falls victim to Kilgrave. After surviving that he has the most sane and logical solution to end Kilgrave, but after the female protagonist messes up Simpon turns out to be a shady ex-blacops dopehead and murdering psychopath, who thinks he's doing good deeds by killing innocents. This all for the female watchers to feel superior and enpowered when every white male charater in the series are flawed.

The blaxploitation is just so obvious that it made watching Marvels Jessica Jones grinch whorty, a bad flashback to the heydays of 60-70's films with black protagonists. Every black character is either a victim of Kilgrave or hero or both. Malcom is black a heroic ex-victim that helps female protagonist and other victims of Kilgrave after Jessica helps him. Malcom is trustworthy and good person. Luke Cage is the main black hero, a trustworthy, good person who has superpowers and his blackwife Reva was also victim of Kilgrave. Clemons is a trustworthy and good black police officer that falls victim to first to Kilgrave and then to the white male "hero" Simpson.

The female characters are all somewhat positive that don't have much negative traits. Jessica Jones is the supertrong protagonist, a "ex-hero" whos main "flaw" is that she can't bring herself to kill Kilgrave and that creates more and more victims. Jessica is extremely white female, with black hair, black leather jacket,black boots and with black sense of humour. Jessicas best friend is white female Trish who is famous, successful and rich radiohost. Trish is also heroic (learns krav maga), ex-victim of Kilgrave and she is trustworthy person with good moral compass.

All the rest female characters(white or black) are more or less same: lesbian Hogarth a successful lawyer who falls victim to Kilgrave. Pam is female secterary who falls victim to Kilgrave. Wendy Hogarth a female doctor who is good samaritan that keeps a free hospital for poors. Wendy falls victim to Kilgrave, Do'h!. Robyn a female that takes care of his retarted brother and falls victim to Kilgrave.

Then there is the series main victim: Hope. She is innocent, beautiful, sporty country girl who ends up killing her parents, spending her time in the series at jail hell and in the end ends up hero killing herself so that the protagonist has strengt to finally kill the antogonist: A psychopath white male.

Somehow when checking the IMDB page for Marvels Jessica Jones it didn't surpise me that the series creator, most writers and the director are all female. I can't believe that I'm the only one seeing this?

Even when the creators have gone for more realistic New York look and feel, curse words like "fuck" don't show up even once. That isn't very realistic. Note that word "fuck" is often recarded as a mascular, male used, antifeminist and vulgar swearword. Also in the sex scenes a white male is never on top. It's always the female who is on top or the black male (Luke Cage).
Even when the antogonist rapes women, none of these scenes are shown only talked about. The sexual intercourse scenes in the series that are shown the female are always in total control. You can compare this to better written series like GoT.

edit. even the captcha was "yes, ma'am". :D
 

totheendofsin

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This is gonna be a fun thread I can already tell

It's late for me so I'm not going to spend alot of time picking apart your comment but I do want to ask you this

Somehow when checking the IMDB page for Marvels Jessica Jones it didn't surpise me that the series creator, most writers and a the director are all female. I can't believe that I'm the only one seeing this?
why does this matter at all? I mean Marvel or Netflix or whoever is in charge of hiring for these projects can hire who they like
 

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totheendofsin said:
why does this matter at all? I mean Marvel or Netflix or whoever is in charge of hiring for these projects can hire who they like
Flip the thing around. A series of which all creators are male and all the female characters are bad. Now think of the public outrage. I don't think that the creators of Jessica Jones even noticed what they were doing, it's just their fantasies coming from their ID's. I wonder were there even some people in the TV production line who were like "WTF!?".
 

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Telefonegun said:
totheendofsin said:
why does this matter at all? I mean Marvel or Netflix or whoever is in charge of hiring for these projects can hire who they like
Flip the thing around. A series of which all creators are male and all the female characters are bad. Now think of the public outrage.
I'm almost certain that scenario has happened before even if I can't think of any examples right now

and any outrage that that scenario would generate would be just as silly imo as your rant
 

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What is your point?

You saw a show with unlikable male characters and likable female characters so...sexism? The creators of the show are female so...extra sexism?

Okay. Sure. It doesn't affect anything at all, so whatever.

I don't see what the discussion value is here.
 

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Pluvia said:
New member, one post, suspicious baity thread.. My alarm bells are ringing..

Yes first post, you have to start somewhere.

Pluvia said:
Anyway no idea how you could think that Kilgrave is the "epithome of white male" seeing as though he's a murderous rapist and isn't remotely shown to be anything like that.
Kilgrave is british. The british empire was the largest empire in the history for over a century, was the foremost global white male power. Black people are in America because of this. Also the native American genocide was because of british invasion. Killgrave is the epithome of feminist idealogy of white male privilege turned up to psychotic. Kilgraves mind superpower is mirrored for being a straight white male in America.
 

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Actually looking over his rant his issues from the comics can be summed up as "They wrote the characters faithfully toward their comic counterparts and I don't like that!" Which is odd considering you normally see most people complaining about characters being changed

The OP is also lying, as a quick check revealed that 9 of the 13 episodes were written and directed by males, with 6 of the 11 executive producers being male, and the producer also being male.

Not counting the fact that he also ignored the good male characters.
I'm somehow not surprised
 

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Telefonegun said:
Before anyone thinks me as a prime example of male chauvinist, I don't mind female protagonist when done right(femshep>maleshep)
you mean as vessels for ones own projection?

as for the rest of that...when its the other way around that's what we tend to call "normal" unfortunately
 

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This isn't male dominated and it's scary because of it?

Cool, I'll have to check this show out.
 

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Telefonegun said:
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what a pile of waffling nonsense. Kilgraves victims cover all groups because he doesn't care who it is he victimises. At least 2 of the people in the support group are white dudes.

Jessica only not trying to kill him so she can get justice for the girl he made kill her own parents, she doesn't have an actual objection to it at all. Any victims crated in the pursuit of that is because kilgrave is a compulsive arsehole.
 

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I don't know where to begin with your statement. First, I'm pretty sure the purple man does kill and/or mine rape white males their just extras. Second, the reason he goes after females more is because he's a rapist and I don't think he's bi or gay. I understand there's far more I can pick apart but I just don't have the time.

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Telefonegun said:
Kilgrave is british. The british empire was the largest empire in the history for over a century, was the foremost global white male power. Black people are in America because of this. Also the native American genocide was because of british invasion. Killgrave is the epithome of feminist idealogy of white male privilege turned up to psychotic. Kilgraves mind superpower is mirrored for being a straight white male in America.
what does this have to do with the British Empire, slavery and genocide? They got David Tennant because he was a great actor not because he was British.

I will also like to point out that the original comic that TV show is based on was written by a white man
 

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It's also pretty good too, especially for a comic fan. I think I liked Daredevil slightly more (mainly for Kingpin), but a great series.

I'm glad he's getting his own series because I cannot get enough of Luke Cage. That actor was great. I could imagine his character on an Avenger team.

Simpson, the cop, is a comic bad guy by the name of "Nuke", basically a misguided attempt to make another Captain America. To see him popping his red-white-blue pills was awesome.

Patsy Walker is Hellcat another superhero, but was also a star of a teen comic (think like Archie) and got added to Avengers after some sort of "what if" story. She has psychic training from an alien, it's not impossible she might get powers.

Danny Hogarth is actually a gender-swapped (crap playing to OP's argument) Iron Fist character so she might pop up there too. Perhaps working for Rand Corp after being muscled out.
Telefonegun said:
You can compare this to better written series like GoT.
Heh, anytime the writers of GoT stray from direct source material it's awful.

thaluikhain said:
This isn't male dominated and it's scary because of it?

Cool, I'll have to check this show out.
It's also really good
 

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WolfThomas said:
Heh, anytime the writers of GoT stray from direct source material it's awful.
Book material isn't always optimal to work with, but even then GoT is hands down million times better than Jessica Jones. Plus GoT TV writing is George RR Martin approved.

Pluvia said:
The OP is also lying, as a quick check revealed that 9 of the 13 episodes were written and directed by males, with 6 of the 11 executive producers being male, and the producer also being male.
Well I said most. But being male doesn't mean you can't be extreme case feminist, homosexuals often are and Hollywood is full of them.
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Not counting the fact that he also ignored the good male characters.
Now I really want to know to whom are you referreing to? The white male bus driver, who is drunk driver. Or the old wise sage drunk bartender (Luke Cage's employee) who has whopping 7 lines in the whole series.
 

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I will point out that I did not finish the op because of a fantastic lack of spoiler tags, so thanks for ruining some great plot beats for me. But onto your ot: It's based on a comic so there's that, and it's fairly accurate. But Kilgrave controlled anyone and everyone because he's an asshole. He controlled the little girl, he controlled a white man, controlled women, controlled any and everyone he could. He's evil. It's sorta what they do. I won't call you a troll because my very first post I was accused of the same thing and almost never came back. But I will be happy to debate this with you.
 

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Kinokohatake said:
I will point out that I did not finish the op because of a fantastic lack of spoiler tags, so thanks for ruining some great plot beats for me.
It's my fault that you clicked on a thread on a TV series that said Spoilers!. Even the first line is a solid Warning. Still you kept reading. I'm so sorry. Did I say I'm sorry?

Seriously I don't think any kind of use of spoiler tags from my part would have protected you from yourself. If I had used spoiler tags the whole wall of text would have been under it, and I bet you still would have clicked and read it.
 

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Wow, your tenure here is going to be short, enjoy it while you're allowed. I'm also confused how JJ is full of blaxploitation? Because the black characters are not shallow easily identifiable charictures of what you think black people should be?