Marvel's The Defenders on Netflix
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dyneira said:
Do we know Elektra survived? Actually I'd agree that she probably did, but from what was shown we don't have any way to verify that. It could just as easily mean that only Matt survived. And the storyboard for the Matt survived reveal scene in The Defenders is taken almost directly from a Daredevil comic. And in that comic... Matt himself crawled away from the situation that left him so injured (a beating and a car crash) and was found and brought to the church where he woke up.
Kyrian007 said:
That's cool information, thanks for the info.
I'd say it's pretty clear that he would have to be rescued. He was at the bottom of a very deep hole with only one exit and an entire building on top of him(he has no way to survive the initial cave in on his own). The substance was important but I do believe there was something else at the bottom of the hole. A way of getting back to kun lun maybe.
I'd say it's pretty clear that he would have to be rescued. He was at the bottom of a very deep hole with only one exit and an entire building on top of him(he has no way to survive the initial cave in on his own). The substance was important but I do believe there was something else at the bottom of the hole. A way of getting back to kun lun maybe.
OK, so it's not terrible but there are so many glaring problems that...... well lets get started.
Firstly, they should've just made Kingpin the villain. Sigourney Weaver's character
The Idiot Ball:
Then again,
Firstly, they should've just made Kingpin the villain. Sigourney Weaver's character
has no understandable motivation for what she does. Why is she so convinced that the Black Sky is the solution to all her problems? She has no past evidence that I recall seeing that would support it and the rest of the hand never seems to think so. All their concerns are basically proven right in the end.
The Idiot Ball:
"Ok, we all know The Hand wants to capture the Iron First for some nefarious purpose, I think the best thing to do is turn against him, knock him unconscious (which in real life causes fucking permanent brain damage), put one of our own guys in charge of guarding him thereby cutting our own power in half! AAAAAAAND have that sketchy murderous guy Stick also guard him even though we could all see what would happen and what he would try to do first opportunity."
I guess this was done for the sake of balance, since Danny is the one carrying the idiot ball for most of his show and for most of "The Defenders", it was therefore important for someone else to carry it for a while.
I guess this was done for the sake of balance, since Danny is the one carrying the idiot ball for most of his show and for most of "The Defenders", it was therefore important for someone else to carry it for a while.
Then again,
Jessica does steal a beer from a homeless man that one time, so that was funny
Given what we have seen of Netflix schedule, I think they were planning on making the Hand the main villains, and Danny Rand a key player since the end of Daredevil S2, and had no plan/no intention of correcting the course when/if they realized about the poor reception of Iron Fist compared to the others.jademunky said:
They hardly gave each series room to be properly produced, much less give the writers the chance to include trap doors (that is, if they even knew what trap doors are or were allowed to include them).
I'm convinced Jessica Jones is the only reason to watch Defenders. She wasn't the only enjoyable aspect of the show, but without her playing audience surrogate and joking about the stupid plot/villains, I don't think you'd have even made it to episode 6. That was the case for me, at least.BloatedGuppy said:
What really sucks is that you can see that these characters CAN play off of each other in interesting/fun ways, but the script wasn't doing them any favors.
I loved the character interactions. Really that's the only reason to watch it. The fights flip flop in quality and the villains were a disappointment. I'm sure if only one of the heros (Daredevil or Iron Fist) were against the villains it would have been a better show. Then the villains would have been a threat against one or two. But it seems the four mains were just too powerful when they teamed up
Finished all eight episodes. Absolutely terrible. The best scene in the entire 8 hours was the elevator door knocking into Jessica's coffee.
It was so bad I'm having trouble understanding how it could have been as bad as it was. It feels miles from the first few Netflix MCU seasons. Did they run out of money or something?
It was so bad I'm having trouble understanding how it could have been as bad as it was. It feels miles from the first few Netflix MCU seasons. Did they run out of money or something?
Cheap. You can tell this show was made on a low budget. Story wise? Well... The Hand's big plan was just dogshit. "Battle for New York", f off.
Overall. I weren't hyped for it but was still looking forward to it. I just felt nothing. Only one I was looking forward to seeing was Daredevil and I was happy.
Also, I've seen clips of Finn Jones when he is doing interviews and he can be very charismatic and lively. For the showrunners of season 2 of Iron Fist, please use that. Actually allow him to finish his fight training and not tell him what to do 30 mins before you roll the cameras.
Shouldn't the rule of TV/movie production be if your budget is low, at least try to make the story interesting?
Overall. I weren't hyped for it but was still looking forward to it. I just felt nothing. Only one I was looking forward to seeing was Daredevil and I was happy.
Also, I've seen clips of Finn Jones when he is doing interviews and he can be very charismatic and lively. For the showrunners of season 2 of Iron Fist, please use that. Actually allow him to finish his fight training and not tell him what to do 30 mins before you roll the cameras.
Shouldn't the rule of TV/movie production be if your budget is low, at least try to make the story interesting?
lol, you picked some bad combos there. Admittedly, Daredevil season 1 is more typically liked so if you didn't enjoy that, the rest probably isn't going to much different. That said, Daredevil season 2 is arguably the only one that is better, and Jessica Jones is an easy 3rd, with Luke Cage and Iron Fist being the worst of the bunch.KingsGambit said:
I finished the last episode tonight. I enjoyed it well enough- I think I would put it below Season 1 of Daredevil, but above Luke Cage. The interplay between Cage and Jones was the high point for me- I like and believe their chemistry, and Ritter and Colter are probably the most consistently charismatic leads in Netflix's Marvel universe.
I'll echo what everyone else is saying, though, that Iron Fist is a problem. Somewhat to their credit, I think the showrunners are starting to recognize that- lines like "You are the dumbest Iron Fist ever[/i]" and, "Yeah, and he'll say that to anyone who'll listen [that he's 'the Immortal Iron Fist']" read like audience surrogacy, and relatively few of the other characters seem to have much patience for his schtick.
But he really needs to develop more character than naivete, stubbornness, and a tendency to rush into every situation head-first. The wall-punching incident in the penultimate episode is just cringe-worthy. Netflix's Marvel shows are united by eagerness to give the lead characters hard knocks as much as the presence of Rosario Dawson; in a world as gritty as they seem to want theirs to be, one wouldn't expect a character as short on finesse and as narrow in capabilities as Danny Rand to survive for very long.
Oh, and Misty? Good grief, am I tired of Misty. She's supposed to be an amazing detective, and she all but inevitably shows up to be wrong and to persecute the wrong people. Even by the end where she's sort of working for the right side, it comes as an utterly unconvincing result of Claire's "You know Luke Cage is a good guy" speech, because she's had plenty of occasions of seeing that Cage and others were good guys and it hasn't stopped her from arresting them. She's less a character than a road block, an irritant. She shows up and momentum towards more interesting happenings comes to a screeching halt.
I'm unsurprised, though a tad disappointed, that Murdock survived. Better than even odds we haven't seen the last of Elektra or Gao, either- I hope, but don't expect, that the explanation is more than some vague hand-waving.
Still, it entertained me. It could have been tighter, but it didn't make me groan most of the time, and I was at least slightly curious how things were going to turn out.
I'm not exactly enthralled by the idea of following The Punisher around for a season, but on the basis of Defenders, I'm at least willing to consider that they're back on the upswing.
I'll echo what everyone else is saying, though, that Iron Fist is a problem. Somewhat to their credit, I think the showrunners are starting to recognize that- lines like "You are the dumbest Iron Fist ever[/i]" and, "Yeah, and he'll say that to anyone who'll listen [that he's 'the Immortal Iron Fist']" read like audience surrogacy, and relatively few of the other characters seem to have much patience for his schtick.
But he really needs to develop more character than naivete, stubbornness, and a tendency to rush into every situation head-first. The wall-punching incident in the penultimate episode is just cringe-worthy. Netflix's Marvel shows are united by eagerness to give the lead characters hard knocks as much as the presence of Rosario Dawson; in a world as gritty as they seem to want theirs to be, one wouldn't expect a character as short on finesse and as narrow in capabilities as Danny Rand to survive for very long.
Oh, and Misty? Good grief, am I tired of Misty. She's supposed to be an amazing detective, and she all but inevitably shows up to be wrong and to persecute the wrong people. Even by the end where she's sort of working for the right side, it comes as an utterly unconvincing result of Claire's "You know Luke Cage is a good guy" speech, because she's had plenty of occasions of seeing that Cage and others were good guys and it hasn't stopped her from arresting them. She's less a character than a road block, an irritant. She shows up and momentum towards more interesting happenings comes to a screeching halt.
I'm unsurprised, though a tad disappointed, that Murdock survived. Better than even odds we haven't seen the last of Elektra or Gao, either- I hope, but don't expect, that the explanation is more than some vague hand-waving.
Still, it entertained me. It could have been tighter, but it didn't make me groan most of the time, and I was at least slightly curious how things were going to turn out.
I'm not exactly enthralled by the idea of following The Punisher around for a season, but on the basis of Defenders, I'm at least willing to consider that they're back on the upswing.
The Defenders was pretty boring. Too much baggage in involving so many of the support characters, most of them didn't have any actual purpose in the plot. Aside from the the big fight in the meeting room, most of the action scenes were badly lit and boring. The plot didn't make much sense either. With Electra, what does all that Black Sky bollocks actually mean and why did the Hand need her? How was New York going to be destroyed? If the Hand leaders wanted to go to Kunlun, why didn't they just go when they found out that Danny Rand was in New York?
I've finished now. It was actually kind of naff in hindsight. The fights were a lot weaker than Dare Devil, Signourney Weaver doesn't really do a whole lot, there is a lot of cliche dialogue (they have the villain do the "we're just alike, you and I" twice) and just not a very compelling threat.
I believe that the reason the city was gonna be wrecked was because they were mining a substance that gives them their immortality, and doing so would cause the city to be destroyed for some reason. It really wasn't very compelling nor did it feel like a real threat. It was collateral damage in their quest to stay immortal.rosac said: