Mas Effect 3 was an unfinished game.

[beniki]

Really do we need this thread again?

Hey some of us have been busy. We haven't had time to properly rage out about it yet. Just ignore us... we'll vent and then go back to looking at cat videos like the rest of the internet.

I'll be quick.

-Ending sucked.
-EA Bioware screwed up.
-Probably unfinished, but I doubt other companies want to catch the flak EA Bioware did over the whole thing. So they won't copy it. Unless they really want some free cupcakes.

Okay, I'm done. Back to watching streamed videos of pussies.

... Of course I mean cats <.<

 

[deathbydeath]

If you don't like talking about Mass Effect you know what's even easier than complaining? not going into the thread at all. Seriously why are all these people who didn't even play the game getting involved? It doesn't affect you, why do you even care?

It's more proof that Bioware's continuously falling deeper and deeper into the shithole. And it's kind of an "I told you so" moment for me, because I knew that something like this would happen, with Bioware's current direction and the reason's they're receiving praise.

 

[Kahunaburger]

I love how everyone's jumping on the Bioware/Mass Effect 3 hate train for just about the same reasons why Mass Effect 2 sucked.

Yeah, this is the one thing that confuses me about all this. I mean, I get the anger at Bioware's bad writing, but why is the line in the sand drawn at the disconnect between the ME3 ending and the rest of the series?

 

[Esotera]

Most games ship unfinished...you could say the same thing about most movies, books, software, and a whole load of other stuff. It all ends up as a balance between how buggy/good the product is, and how much it's going to cost to fix that in time & money.

For example, facebook is unfinished, and it never will be (from what I understand of Mark Zuckerberg's philosophy). I'd say all the complaints about ME3 endings stem from it being rushed, rather than unfinished.

 

[Vault101]

If you don't like talking about Mass Effect you know what's even easier than complaining? not going into the thread at all. Seriously why are all these people who didn't even play the game getting involved? It doesn't affect you, why do you even care?

It's more proof that Bioware's continuously falling deeper and deeper into the shithole. And it's kind of an "I told you so" moment for me, because I knew that something like this would happen, with Bioware's current direction and the reason's they're receiving praise.

ME3 was a good game..at least

its just the ending thats the problem

but I guess its not just the game itself..but all theother crap surrounding it (EA, DLC and such)

EDIT: I mean if theres at leat one thing good to come out of this its united the fanbase and distracted everyone from the millions of other things they could probably find to complain about

 

[idarkphoenixi]

'Setting a dangerous example'?

Well seeing as how people have been rushing games out before they were properly finished for years, nope I don't see this as being a new thing that only started due to Mass Effect.

 

[verdant monkai]

It is EA's fault they are ruining Bioware's games with their obsessive compulsive money harvesting policy.
I really want to boycott EA but I cant because they have a monopoly over games I love like Dead Space, Dragon Age and other stuff, they are just too big to boycott. If you boycott them you are effectively boycotting a large portion of the industry.

As for you attention seekers moaning about the ME3 ending threads, if you dont like em dont click on them. Simple really

 

[Quesa]

The game was rushed. Aw muffin. Games and film are like this occasionally. Remember KOTOR 2?

Yeah, KOTOR 2 shipped with a pathetic tacked on ending injected into the climax due to time/money constraints, it wasn't withheld for DLC.

 

[kouriichi]

Can we all just move on with our lives?

.... No? Ok. Well then, let me throw this out there. If ME3's ending is so bad, shouldnt we STOP GIVING THEM FREE ADVERTISEMENT? If everybody is talking about ME3, more people are going to read about it, thus, potentially more sales. The best thing to do about a bad ending is to complain once. No more.

And after youve complained once, pretend the game is dead and long forgotten. Your pissed at the company? Fine. Send them a letter. But stop talking about them in public. Once enough people stop bringing the game up, its sales will die. It will be known as "The bad game nobody wants to talk about", instead of "the game thats the hot topic". All your doing is feeding them.

Look at Kayne and Lynch 2. Up until the ending, it wasnt a terrible game. And the Multiplayer was decent. You know why it died though? Because people STOPPED TALKING ABOUT IT. Everybody moved on. Theres a chance there will never be a sequel. Why? Because nobody talks about it. Theres a small rumor going around that there "might" be a K&L3 coming out. But nobody cares. Because nobody knows, because nobody talks about it.

So if you REALLY are angry at the game, and you REALLY hate the company right now, then just stop talking. Dont bring it up. Dont think about it, dont play it. Act like this game doesnt even exist. The more you show they are THAT important, the more they will think they are that important. Your giving them power by saying "This is one of the biggest things in gaming".

TL;DR: Stop talking about the game. Your not doing anything positive. The games industry is just seeing that this is something major in your life. And bad press is far better then no press.

 

[Teh Jammah]

Or get them to instead of changing the ending, send out pictures of the staff giving out middle fingers.

Add in 'while swimming in a pool of money and getting blowjobs from supermodels and you have my worst case scenario of what this updated ending DLC will be.

Yeah, this is the one thing that confuses me about all this. I mean, I get the anger at Bioware's bad writing, but why is the line in the sand drawn at the disconnect between the ME3 ending and the rest of the series?

To be fair this has kinda been building for a while, what with various issues with EA/Bioware over things in ME2 and Dragon Age 2 (the latter in particular), plus the usual 'EA Bullshit' (Online passes, compulsory multiplayer element, Day 1 DLC etc). All little things individually, but when they add up you get the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

Although, given the hype behind it, its hard to imagine a situation where they made an ME3 ending that absolutely everyone liked, but to fuck up so badly that well over half, possibly even over 3/4 of their fanbase hate it...

There's also the whole way this ending furore has been handled, with the general air of condescenscion EA/BioWare have thrown at anyone who dares suggest that their work is anything less than artistic perfection and that we're all spoilt entitled brats who need to shut up and keep on forking over money for overpriced DLC so they can continue to make 'art', but that's a whole 'nother topic that's already been gone over many time.

 

[saverian]

There's not really any of it in this thread but what irritates me about this entire ME3 ending sucks movement is the complete lack of consideration for the majority of the development team. Can you imagine pouring your heart and soul in to something for 2 years only to have a massive amount of people turn round and tell you that your company (Bioware, not EA, those people understand they work for the devil) made the worst ending ever (A ridiculous statement in itself, there are plenty worse endings from many other games, a more accurate statement would be a very bad ending for a AAA game) and your game sucks because of it. I doubt the majority of the development team even had a hand in the ending but the entire company gets beaten with the same hate stick. In no way am I advocating keeping quiet about things you don't like but some more tact and consideration for the human beings involved would be a wonderful thing, rather than getting angry and feeling entitled to what you want so you think throwing a hissy fit is the right thing to do.

I personally disliked the lack of impacts your choice made rather than the ending itself, I always quite enjoy thinking about the repercussions of a situation that hasn't been spoon fed to me. But then I also understand that not everyone wants to sit around analysing stuff and that's fine. I also enjoyed the other 99% of the game with only small complaints about certain aspects but then nothing's perfect.

Just to reiterate there isn't really any of the first paragraph going on here, just speaking about the movement as a whole.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Yeah, this is the one thing that confuses me about all this. I mean, I get the anger at Bioware's bad writing, but why is the line in the sand drawn at the disconnect between the ME3 ending and the rest of the series?

To be fair this has kinda been building for a while, what with various issues with EA/Bioware over things in ME2 and Dragon Age 2 (the latter in particular), plus the usual 'EA Bullshit' (Online passes, compulsory multiplayer element, Day 1 DLC etc). All little things individually, but when they add up you get the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

Although, given the hype behind it, its hard to imagine a situation where they made an ME3 ending that absolutely everyone liked, but to fuck up so badly that well over half, possibly even over 3/4 of their fanbase hate it...

There's also the whole way this ending furore has been handled, with the general air of condescenscion EA/BioWare have thrown at anyone who dares suggest that their work is anything less than artistic perfection and that we're all spoilt entitled brats who need to shut up and keep on forking over money for overpriced DLC so they can continue to make 'art', but that's a whole 'nother topic that's already been gone over many time.

That's my take on this, too. I don't think we would have seen anywhere near the uproar about the ending if it were an isolated incident (Bioware is what, 3 for 3 with glaring writing issues in its recent games? 4 for 4 if you count Mass Effect 2?), or if EA/Bioware had been a little more professional with their response to criticism.

EDIT:

I doubt the majority of the development team even had a hand in the ending

Apparently, that was part of the problem.

 

[saverian]

EDIT:

I doubt the majority of the development team even had a hand in the ending

Apparently, that was part of the problem.

But that's not how things work on projects with a very large amount of people involved. With small development teams everyone can have a hand in forming the game as a whole, but with teams of 100+ (can't find exact numbers) everyone has a very distinct role. Concept artists/modellers/programmers/animators/etc. don't have a hand in story development but the movement bashes and insults Bioware as a whole, completely ignoring the fact that the people in the roles I listed had nothing to do with the ending.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

You know the saddest thing? It's unfinished because they decided to add multiplayer and Kinect features. They forgot what made their games great in the past and they released this rushed piece of shit. It's not just the ending, it's everything. Streamlined dialogue, stupid AI, railroading us to the Rachni queen regardless of what happened to her in ME1, the fact that saving or destroying the Collector base doesn't matter AT ALL, holes and visual mistakes on the Normandy, noticeably lower quality graphics and lighting and awkward and cut animations and features (like holster function), and the rushed ending.

And now, instead of focusing on fixing all of those issues with a patch they focus their attention on multiplayer! Like all of a sudden Bioware became Infinity Ward. Fuck Bioware and fuck EA. I think I will just pretend that ME3 never happened. Because this piece of shit is not what Mass Effect 3 was supposed to be. 75 perfect scores my ass. If they used the money from those bribes to actually finish the game they wouldn't need to bribe the reviewers.

 

[SajuukKhar]

You know the saddest thing? It's unfinished because they decided to add multiplayer and Kinect features. They forgot what made their games great in the past and they released this rushed piece of shit.

Those features had nothing at all to do with the ending.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

You know the saddest thing? It's unfinished because they decided to add multiplayer and Kinect features. They forgot what made their games great in the past and they released this rushed piece of shit.

Those features had nothing at all to do with the ending.

You can believe that if you like.

 

[SajuukKhar]

You can believe that if you like.

Because them not adding multiplayer would have prevented a last minute breakdown of Casey Hudson's sanity causing him to re-write the ending?

Seriously, think about it for a second.

What you said, was stupid.

 

[Kahunaburger]

EDIT:

I doubt the majority of the development team even had a hand in the ending

Apparently, that was part of the problem.

But that's not how things work on projects with a very large amount of people involved. With small development teams everyone can have a hand in forming the game as a whole, but with teams of 100+ (can't find exact numbers) everyone has a very distinct role. Concept artists/modellers/programmers/animators/etc. don't have a hand in story development but the movement bashes and insults Bioware as a whole, completely ignoring the fact that the people in the roles I listed had nothing to do with the ending.

My comment was actually a reference to how apparently not all of the core writing staff had input on the ending.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

You can believe that if you like.

Because them not adding multiplayer would have prevented a last minute breakdown of Casey Hudson's sanity causing him to re-write the ending?

Seriously, think about it for a second.

What you said, was stupid.

The ending is so obviously something that's been put together at the last minute. It has nothing to do with artistic expression and artistic integrity. I really don't know how on Earth can people still believe that. They're trying to defend themselves because saying how it was their plan is a lot better than saying how they rushed the game and took our money for an unfinished product. Don't be so naive.

 

[Rancid0ffspring]

If you don't like talking about Mass Effect you know what's even easier than complaining? not going into the thread at all. Seriously why are all these people who didn't even play the game getting involved? It doesn't affect you, why do you even care?

So your addition to a thread complaining about the ending to Mass Effect 3, is to complain that people are complaining in a thread complaining about ME3.... I think that makes sense.

Oh the Irony... That I also helped to perpetuate.

You can believe that if you like.

Because them not adding multiplayer would have prevented a last minute breakdown of Casey Hudson's sanity causing him to re-write the ending?

Seriously, think about it for a second.

What you said, was stupid.

The ending is so obviously something that's been put together at the last minute. It has nothing to do with artistic expression and artistic integrity. I really don't know how on Earth can people still believe that. They're trying to defend themselves because saying how it was their plan is a lot better than saying how they rushed the game and took our money for an unfinished product. Don't be so naive.

Correct me if I'm wrong, please genuinely do, but wasn't the ending leaked a couple of months before release & Bioware had to rewrite it?