Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut ~ It's Official :O

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

That's not a fact. You don't even know what probability is and how it works. Outcome doesn't depend on probability. Probability is an indicator. Events aren't governed by probability. It doesn't matter how probable something is it NEVER means that it WILL happen with certainty. Yet again you have to base everything on an assumption.

You can toss a coin in the air a million times and it can still turn on tails every single time, because the outcome doesn't depend on the probability. It depends on countless physical factors. Advanced machines should know that. Screw that, you should know this.

You can grab blue marbles out of a bag of blue and red marbles for 1 trillion years and regardless of doing so for 1 trillion years it is FACT you WILL eventually pick a red one.

Same with your flipping a coin example. It DOES NOT matter how many times you manage to get tails you WILL inevitably over a period of time get heads at least once.

that's flawed, there is a physical difference, yours has a finite amount while the heads/tails does not.

i know i wasn't the greatest and engineering probability when i took the class, but your logic is definitely flawed in the fact thinking that synthetics, at some point, somewhere, will kill all organics. you could use your same logic and apply it to anything.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

That's not a fact. You don't even know what probability is and how it works. Outcome doesn't depend on probability. Probability is an indicator. Events aren't governed by probability. It doesn't matter how probable something is it NEVER means that it WILL happen with certainty. Yet again you have to base everything on an assumption.

You can toss a coin in the air a million times and it can still turn on tails every single time, because the outcome doesn't depend on the probability. It depends on countless physical factors. Advanced machines should know that. Screw that, you should know this.

You can grab blue marbles out of a bag of blue and red marbles for 1 trillion years and regardless of doing so for 1 trillion years it is FACT you WILL eventually pick a red one.

Same with your flipping a coin example. It DOES NOT matter how many times you manage to get tails you WILL inevitably over a period of time get heads at least once.

It is not a fact it is an assumption (if there's an infinite number of marbles). If the number is finite, it's not a very good example either.

Again, it doesn't matter how probable something is, events aren't governed by probability. And even if they were, synthetics destroying all organics is not very probable from the data The Catalyst has. He has more data indicating that we can all co-exist. The probability is still in our favor. But that still doesn't prove much. It proves co-existence is possible but that's it. And it's enough to call The Catalyst an idiot.

And why bother anyway when it's a FACT that our galaxy will collide with Andromeda in the future? There is a chance that when that happens everyone will die. There's a chance nothing major will happen at all. But because it's more probable that it will, should we just accept it as a fact? In which case, why bother with the Reapers at all when nothing lasts forever?

 

[Lord Quirk]

I'm looking forward to it. However, I find it hard to believe that they can logically explain every one of the gaping plot holes they made (the exploding Mass Relays, and is everyone dead, The fleeing Normandy, and how did it get there etc). If they can explain all that, I will eat my own shoes.

 

[freakymojo]

hopefully it will be enough to leave fans-if nothing else, contempt.

 

[Beesejar]

I'm honestly skeptical at this whole thing. I love Mass Effect and the ending was BAD but at this point I have somewhat high hopes but the little voice in the back of my head says there is a good chance we are going to get another kick in the face.

 

[SajuukKhar]

that's flawed, there is a physical difference, yours has a finite amount while the heads/tails does not.

i know i wasn't the greatest and engineering probability when i took the class, but your logic is definitely flawed in the fact thinking that synthetics, at some point, somewhere, will kill all organics. you could use your same logic and apply it to anything.

the bag in question is supposed to be infinitely large

"If it can happen, it will." is a very broad way of looking at this, though conceptually it isn't false.

I'm actually thinking we're reading too much into faulty writing.

I wont deny the writing blows, I am just pointing out the math behind it is right.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

No it isn't. You can't base math on an assumption that something will happen because you believe it must happen eventually. You're misusing probability.

 

[Xpheyel]

Over time, specifically longer periods of time over 1million years, it WILL happen, to say otherwise shows a lack of understanding about how the universe works.

No, you're wrong. As the number of trials for a binary event approaches infinity, the limit of the probability of getting the same outcome every time approaches zero.

You'd need an infinite set of trials to be able to say that both outcomes are guaranteed to be in it.

Infinity is a lot more than a million. Or a billion. Or a trillion. It still might not happen at all before the heat death of universe. It isn't even remotely a good justification for dicking around the galaxy for millions of years, mind-raping and killing countless trillions of sapient beings on the off-chance that this will be the time they make a race of even worse killer machines than the Reapers.

 

[monkeymo4d]

Hi can I just ask, If we have already established that war is an eventuality regardless of whatever humans may in the case of the ending chose, then what significance does the final choice hold except for just a means to an end ?

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Over time, specifically longer periods of time over 1million years, it WILL happen, to say otherwise shows a lack of understanding about how the universe works.

No, you're wrong. As the number of trials for a binary event approaches infinity, the limit of the probability of getting the same outcome every time approaches zero.

You'd need an infinite set of trials to be able to say that both outcomes are guaranteed to be in it.

Infinity is a lot more than a million. Or a billion. Or a trillion. It still might not happen at all before the heat death of universe. It isn't even remotely a good justification for dicking around the galaxy for millions of years, mind-raping and killing countless trillions of sapient beings on the off-chance that this will be the time they make a race of even worse killer machines than the Reapers.

Exactly.

The best explanation for the Reapers should have been either the most simple one - that they are afraid of organics ascending to become more powerful than them eventually, or because they need us for resources. Or they could have just left it a mystery since a mysterious enemy is the most terrifying one.

 

[SajuukKhar]

No, you're wrong. As the number of trials for a binary event approaches infinity, the limit of the probability of getting the same outcome every time approaches zero.

You'd need an infinite set of trials to be able to say that both outcomes are guaranteed to be in it.

Infinity is a lot more than a million. Or a billion. Or a trillion. It still might not happen at all before the heat death of universe. It isn't even remotely a good justification for dicking around the galaxy for millions of years, mind-raping and killing countless trillions of sapient beings on the off-chance that this will be the time they make a race of even worse killer machines than the Reapers.

So letting the races of the galaxy dick around, killing each-other, making machines that try to kill then, maybe making peace with aid machines maybe not, and eventually killing themselves off and taking more worlds the The Reapers destroy with them is better?

Either way everything dies, but in the Reapers plan at least some races live past thier own annihilation.

 

[Asita]

snip

well first off I said BIG plot-holes, not plotholes in general. I suggest that next time you actually read someones post before yo respond to it.

You might want to take your own advice and read that spoiler you snipped. The plot holes I elaborated on all tied back to the implications of the final decision, thereby directly reflecting on the climactic moment in the main plot. I'd call those pretty big plotholes.

Secondly organics natural hatred and distrust of anything that isn't them makes lasting peace impossible. Your assumption that lasting peace would be equally as probably as total genocide would work only if we ignored the entirety of organic evolution and how the organic mind works.

so long as two distinct individuals exist they will compete against each other making long-term peace impossible.

The only way that lasting peace would be possible is if
1. We become a hive mind like ants, or close to like The Geth were before the upgrade in ME3, were everyone and everything, and I do mean EVERYTHING, was all part of the same collective mind, but not necessarily of the some collective body.
2. We somehow pull a Neon Genesis Evangelion and merge everything into one super body.

By that logic, no lasting piece can exist between any two organic races and applying it solely to synthetics is special pleading. I mean, let's face it, Humans and Hanar are hardly mirror images of each other. But I do note that you completely ignored the thrust of my statement. Let me repeat it: Your own conclusions about the organic/synthetic conflict nonwithstanding, Shepherd's own experiences practically mandate that he/she take the claim with at least a grain of salt. Regardless of the decision made in the end, the doubt should be present. The sheer passivity with which Shepherd accepts the Catalyst's words breaks character given his/her experience with the Geth and EDI.

 

[SajuukKhar]

By that logic, no lasting piece can exist between any two organic races and applying it solely to synthetics is special pleading. I mean, let's face it, Humans and Hanar are hardly mirror images of each other. But I do note that you completely ignored the thrust of my statement. Let me repeat it: Your own conclusions about the organic/synthetic conflict nonwithstanding, Shepherd's own experiences practically mandate that he/she take the claim with at least a grain of salt. Regardless of the decision made in the end, the doubt should be present. The sheer passivity with which Shepherd accepts the Catalyst's words breaks character given his/her experience with the Geth and EDI.

As I have said multiple times I do believe that Shepard should have been able to tell The Catalyst that it is wrong.

 

[Warachia]

Shepard had better still die.

I'm serious.

If she doesn't die I'll be pissed off. One thing they did right about the ending was for Shepard to have to make an ultimate sacrifice. It was an emotional moment for me and I'd like for it to stay in there.

I'm going to quote somebody here: "Saying the hero has to ANYTHING in a game like mass effect is bullshit."
Sorry to spoil it for you but Shepard didn't even really die in the Easter egg to begin with, of course there was the other endings where Shepard does die, if you want to go by those.

Off Topic: Incidentally, if you like those kinds of scenes, then I'd highly recommend Nier, it has plenty of those, and they are handled really well.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Personally I would have preferred Drews original dark energy concept as an explenation, it would have kinda given the reapers a bit more depth, though I would have been fine with murderous space Cthulhu race aswell.

I wish I had a time machine and could go back in time slap the dumb out of Casey and force him to let the other writers make the Dark Energy ending.

Also I personally find Cthulhu monster to be the worst writing ever "you cant understand us because we are beyond you" isn't scary, its a obvious cop-out.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

I'd go back in time and tell them not to sell out to EA. I blame EA for making them rush the game. Bioware can hide behind artistic integrity argument all they want. It's obvious the game was rushed. It shows. And it's not like they can flat out blame their bosses in public.

Also I personally find Cthulhu monster to be the worst writing ever "you cant understand us because we are beyond you" isn't scary, its a obvious cop-out.

Knowing Reaper motivations isn't necessary for the story at all. And in revealing a mystery that big you risk making them appear weak and petty. You know they are a threat and just need to know how to kill them.

 

[jensenthejman]

I'm really skeptical about the DLC. I would have wanted the dark energy ending. Considering that it actually fit the themes of the series.

 

[Dreadman75]

You know what? I couldn't care less about the so-called "clarity" this extended cut will give us.

Fact of the matter is that while I didn't hate the ending, I was sure as hell disappointed in it. I really don't think that Bioware has enough industrial equipment to fill in the plot holes that ending created.

But you know what, that's okay. Because as a fan with an overactive imagination I'll sit through the ending without one complaint, while I think up a much better ending of my own and imagine it's taking place instead of what Bioware did.

Gotta love the imagination!

 

[Christopher Callahan]

That's not a fact. You don't even know what probability is and how it works. Outcome doesn't depend on probability. Probability is an indicator. Events aren't governed by probability. It doesn't matter how probable something is it NEVER means that it WILL happen with certainty. Yet again you have to base everything on an assumption.

You can toss a coin in the air a million times and it can still turn on tails every single time, because the outcome doesn't depend on the probability. It depends on countless physical factors. Advanced machines should know that. Screw that, you should know this.

You can grab only blue marbles out of a bag of blue and red marbles for 1 trillion years and regardless of managing that feat for 1 trillion years it is FACT you WILL eventually pick a red one.

Same with your flipping a coin example. It DOES NOT matter how many times you manage to get tails you WILL inevitably over a period of time get heads at least once.

Over time, specifically longer periods of time over 1million years, it WILL happen, to say otherwise shows a lack of understanding about how the universe works.

You can't say With 100% certainty that you will get heads on the next flip, or any flip. There is still a 1/2 chance of a getting tails. The result of the first flip has no bearing on the result of the next flip. And why would Machines attack people in the first place? I don't see a lot of overlap in our base needs. Not that that seems to matter in this discussion.

 

[IamGamer41]

I recall seeing some vids on YouTube of deleted scenes the ME 3 ending where some of your squad gets killed by Harbinger during the run to the conduit.I remember thinking man that would of been awesome.I mean sad that your team died but hell this was the be all end all war.People should have died and not just the ones who joined you for 5 min on the Normandy(yeah I know you can get others killed or they kill themselves through choices)

If some of that is added back and the cut dialog it would be cool.Hell I still want to know where the boss fight with Harbinger was.I mean that thing talked shit to you the whole of the second game,why the hell couldn't I shut him up in the third.

actually them being killed is in the game if you have low EMS you see them bleeding in front of you after you get hit. Having High EMS shows random soldiers. Their still on the Normandy in the ending scene regardless.

right right but there is no cutscenes showing them getting hit by Harbinger.

Here's what Im' talking about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3PQT4c_r7Q


Had that been part of the Low ems then it would have been cool.Just like how a high ems could have you out right killing Harbinger.Man I want that thing dead lol.