Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut ~ It's Official :O

[Vrach]

Well, guys, art is dead. I just went to the National Portrait Gallery and all the paintings were gone. What hath fandom wrought?

As much as I'm bored with the whole 'games is art' debate, your point is equally stupid. Explaining a piece of work doesn't devalue it.

If this game is considered art, explaining the ending won't change that.

^This. Besides, how many extended/director's/gun2walkietalkie cut's have we seen for movies? And last I remember, they were still very much art.

OT: Sounds like just what the doctor ordered. If they pull this off well, they might actually be able to get some of their reputation back a bit. I just hope they don't underestimate what a task doing this right is.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Tali mentions how their acting 'post upgrade'. Their being rather nice. And 'missing the entire point of what the catalyst said'. Oh we're missing the point of what a contrived moronic, and...stupid non-character said? How horrible. It's not what he said it's Shepard's meek acceptance of it. And your argument is founded on what he said is right. And yet we're told/see that in two cycles Organics where winning/making peace with synthetics. Javik talks about the Metacon war in his cycle. It sounds like Organics where winning then DA DA DA! Reapers come in and shove their tentacle faces in everyone's business. Our cycle. Geth were waiting behind the veil minding their business. then DA DA DA! Sovereign shows up, they think he's a god, and he sends them to war against the Organics. Doesn't Saren say that Sovereign didn't even care about the geth? Nother plooooot hole. Why would he not care about the reason he exists?

So we re-write or destroy the heretics. They go back and start to lose a war to the Quarians. Reapers show up upgrade them and they start to win. Again...the Geth only start to win CAUSE OF THE REAPERS! Now yes MAYBE they'd have started a war on their on later. But we don't know that cause the reapers mess it up. Every thing we're told/shown about this conflict only happens cause the Reapers show up when we're winning, or start the war themselves. It's a self fulling prophesy at least.

The Geth haven't had time for their individuality to sink in, when it does I fear for everything.

I find it kinda sad personally, the Geth were on the cusp of reaching a truly peaceful existence and then Legion had to try to fuck it up by giving them individuality. I chose to have their race killed off before then so I could live with the thought that they died better then us then instead of having to be degraded into an existence of egotism and hatred.
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also sovereign didn't care about them because they were a means to an end, a means to get The Reapers in the galaxy so they could kill The Geth, along with other organics, and unlike organics who COULD be chosen for ascension the Geth wouldn't have been, it isn't a plothole

 

[Seanfall]

Tali mentions how their acting 'post upgrade'. Their being rather nice. And 'missing the entire point of what the catalyst said'. Oh we're missing the point of what a contrived moronic, and...stupid non-character said? How horrible. It's not what he said it's Shepard's meek acceptance of it. And your argument is founded on what he said is right. And yet we're told/see that in two cycles Organics where winning/making peace with synthetics. Javik talks about the Metacon war in his cycle. It sounds like Organics where winning then DA DA DA! Reapers come in and shove their tentacle faces in everyone's business. Our cycle. Geth were waiting behind the veil minding their business. then DA DA DA! Sovereign shows up, they think he's a god, and he sends them to war against the Organics. Doesn't Saren say that Sovereign didn't even care about the geth? Nother plooooot hole. Why would he not care about the reason he exists?

So we re-write or destroy the heretics. They go back and start to lose a war to the Quarians. Reapers show up upgrade them and they start to win. Again...the Geth only start to win CAUSE OF THE REAPERS! Now yes MAYBE they'd have started a war on their on later. But we don't know that cause the reapers mess it up. Every thing we're told/shown about this conflict only happens cause the Reapers show up when we're winning, or start the war themselves. It's a self fulling prophesy at least.

The Geth haven't had time for their individuality to sink in, when it does I fear for everything.

I find it kinda sad personally, the Geth were on the cusp of reaching a truly peaceful existence and then Legion had to try to fuck it up by giving them individuality. I chose to have their race killed off before then so I could live with the thought that they died better then us then instead of having to be degraded into an existence of egotism and hatred.
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also sovereign didn't care about them because they were a means to an end, a means to get The Reapers in the galaxy so they could kill The Geth, along with other organics, and unlike organics who COULD be chosen for ascension the Geth wouldn't have been, it isn't a plothole

Neither of us can know that. Every thing we think will happen after the end is conjuncture. Your wrong, I'm wrong. We're all wrong. We don't know cause we're not told. Yes yes it is a plothole. "I was created to keep Synthetics from wiping out organics, oh look Synthetics who have no interest in Organics...well that disproves me...I best make them a threat so I can exist."

 

[Seanfall]

I am merely pointing out that his statement of "inevitability" is backed up by math

No it isn't. There's not enough data for that to be true. You have to create your own assumptions for that and then it wouldn't be math.

Except there is enough data, again you are ignoring the long term effects of probability

Be it this cycle, the next one, the one 1000 cycles for now or the one 10000000000000 cycles from now, the fact of the matter is eventually a race will build synthetics that will kill all organic life currently living in the galaxy.

That's not a fact. You don't even know what probability is and how it works. Outcome doesn't depend on probability. Events aren't governed by probability. It doesn't matter how probable something is it NEVER means that it WILL happen with certainty. Yet again you have to base everything on an assumption.

You can toss a coin in the air a million times and it CAN still turn on tails every single time, because the outcome doesn't depend on probability. It depends on countless physical factors. The Catalyst should know this. Screw that, you should know this. And because the outcome of an event doesn't depend on probability everything The Catalyst says is illogical.

Adam, adam. I agree with you...but look who your arguing with. You can't argue logic with someone who is removed from it.

 

[bandit0802]

WARNING: SPOILERS!

I'm glad it's coming out for free, but I still think it needs a final boss fight. The only real sense of finality I got from the game was watching my Shepard die. I realize the fight was essentially won, but it didn't feel like a worthy ending to an action or RPG series.

If you want to read my idea for a fitting ending, read it here (http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150684947812229). I am open to any and all tasteful comments and criticisms.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Neither of us can know that. Every thing we think will happen after the end is conjuncture. Your wrong, I'm wrong. We're all wrong. We don't know cause we're not told. Yes yes it is a plothole. "I was created to keep Synthetics from wiping out organics, oh look Synthetics who have no interest in Organics...well that disproves me...I best make them a threat so I can exist."

Human history has proved time and time again its is impossible to create lasting peace because of intolerance, a lack of being able to understand one another.

Humanities inability to truly understand people stems from the inability of humans to experience the world as others do, and until the day we can truly experience the life of others as they do, humans will be intolerant and thus lasting peace will be impossible.

Unfortunately to truly experience the world as others do all their actions would have to be our own and vice-versa, the lines between individuals would become nonexistent, all people would fundamentally be one another.

Until that day comes intolerance will remain and thus true lasting peace will be impossible, to argue against that is to argue against all of human history.

We may have brief and short lived ages of peace, but a 5 millenium peace is ultimate trivial when it will eventually come crashing down because of intolerance.
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Its the same reason I hated the end of Evangelion movie, at least in the show, which was terribly vague and non-specific, I could think Shinji did the right thing, but the movie which as much as I dislike wont deny is the canon ending he had to fuck it up for everyone else.
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though admittedly I don't think anyone should be forced into to. Let all those who desire it do it, leave, then when everyone else kills themselves in wars of intolerance, come back and chill.

 

[Unsilenced]

Why would a war between synthetics and organics be any worse than the war between the reapers and organics?

There have been thousands of wars for thousands of different reasons. Why would this one suddenly fuck everything?




Because the reapers have said so. That's really all there is to it. That's all we know. If someone mugged you, would you believe a story about why they needed to do it for the greater good?

 

[blank0000]

I question the epilogue, to be honest I liked my ending the way it was.

 

[Seanfall]

Neither of us can know that. Every thing we think will happen after the end is conjuncture. Your wrong, I'm wrong. We're all wrong. We don't know cause we're not told. Yes yes it is a plothole. "I was created to keep Synthetics from wiping out organics, oh look Synthetics who have no interest in Organics...well that disproves me...I best make them a threat so I can exist."

Human history has proved time and time again its is impossible to create lasting peace because of intolerance, a lack of being able to understand one another.

Humanities inability to truly understand people stems from the inability of humans to experience the world as others do, and until the day we can truly experience the life of others as they do, humans will be intolerant and thus lasting peace will be impossible.

Unfortunately to truly experience the world as others do all their actions would have to be our own and vice-versa, the lines between individuals would become nonexistent, all people would fundamentally be one another.

Until that day comes intolerance will remain and thus true lasting peace will be impossible, to argue against that is to argue against all of human history.

We may have brief and short lived ages of peace, but a 5 millenium peace is ultimate trivial when it will eventually come crashing down because of intolerance.
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Its the same reason I hated the end of Evangelion movie, at least in the show, which was terribly vague and non-specific, I could think Shinji did the right thing, but the movie which as much as I dislike wont deny is the canon ending he had to fuck it up for everyone else.
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though admittedly I don't think anyone should be forced into to. Let all those who desire it do it, leave, then when everyone else kills themselves in wars of intolerance, come back and chill.

....your really over thinking this....

 

[Rhedd]

It's pretty simple to guess what they'll be doing for clarification.

1) There'll be a scene where the Normandy picks up the squad mates: probably while Shepard is knocked out from the beam. Harbinger will chase them, thus explaining why he suddenly ups and leaves.

2) Maybe Harbinger will chase the Normandy right back to the relay, or perhaps after the citadel starts to move we'll get a scene where Hackett calls a retreat, thus explaining why they were running.

3) We'll get a longer investigation scene with the star child and maybe they?ll try to reintroduce the original indoctrination ending.

4) Maybe a post credit funeral/civilisation rebuilding scene: although, given that most of the people closest to Shepard are on a distant planet neither would be very poignant.

I hope that those things are the least we can expect, although, personally I thought the ending needed scrapping and starting over. Sure you can?t please everyone, but when I think about how Mass Effect could have ended, and how, with 3-4 highly different endings it could?ve pleased 95% of it?s fans, I just find the whole thing kinda depressing. Still, I?ll sit and wait, and muster some faith in Bioware, one last time. Fingers crossed.

 

[Fappy]

It's pretty simple to guess what they'll be doing for clarification.

1) There'll be a scene where the Normandy picks up the squad mates: probably while Shepard is knocked out from the beam. Harbinger will chase them, thus explaining why he suddenly ups and leaves.

2) Maybe Harbinger will chase the Normandy right back to the relay, or perhaps after the citadel starts to move we'll get a scene where Hackett calls a retreat, thus explaining why they were running.

3) We'll get a longer investigation scene with the star child and maybe they?ll try to reintroduce the original indoctrination ending.

4) Maybe a post credit funeral/civilisation rebuilding scene: although, given that most of the people closest to Shepard are on a distant planet neither would be very poignant.

I hope that those things are the least we can expect, although, personally I thought the ending needed scrapping and starting over. Sure you can?t please everyone, but when I think about how Mass Effect could have ended, and how, with 3-4 highly different endings it could?ve pleased 95% of it?s fans, I just find the whole thing kinda depressing. Still, I?ll sit and wait, and muster some faith in Bioware, one last time. Fingers crossed.

I think your first two points are the most likely to happen. They HAVE to explain the illogical Normandy shenanigans.

 

[CrazyGirl17]

Hey, as long as this stops the "ending sucks" debacle, I'm find with it...

 

[Francis Budden-Hinds]

It won't. Unless they make actual major changes, which is not what they're saying, everyone is still going to hate it and the rage will boil on for years.

Rightfully.

 

[Rack]

I'm confused about what the big deal is to be honest, the plotline to Mass Effect has made no gaddamn sense since Mass Effect 2,I've had to vigorously deny Shephard worked with Cerberus, tat he didn't sense the most obvious trap in teh universe, that they made a giant robot out of human parts, that he went dancing while billions died, that they were somehow able to create a Death Star in about 5 days... Throwing in ignoring the presence of a stupid little kid and that they magically destroyed the mass relays barely makes a wave in that shit-pit. I'm going to pretend Mass Effect had a half-way tolerable storyline and seeing more of it is not going to help me in that.

 

[Sunrider]

Well you know what, Kudos to EA and Bioware.

As a fan who was put out about the ending, but didn't *****, all i can say is fair dues to them.

High five, friend!
This is great news, but I fear there might be an upcoming shitstorm nonetheless. "Damned if you do, damned if you don't".

 

[Smithburg]

This is me standing smugly atop my "I told you so" pedestal to all the cynical assholes who keep spewing venom about the game and that it "ruined the entire series for them"

And how exactly does that prove you right? If it ruined the series for them then it did. And whether a cynical or smug asshole, an asshole is still an asshole.

 

[Airsoftslayer93]

Extending the existing endings is still shit, not really good enough, just completely redo the endings, pretend the star child never existed.

 

[Smithburg]

Neither of us can know that. Every thing we think will happen after the end is conjuncture. Your wrong, I'm wrong. We're all wrong. We don't know cause we're not told. Yes yes it is a plothole. "I was created to keep Synthetics from wiping out organics, oh look Synthetics who have no interest in Organics...well that disproves me...I best make them a threat so I can exist."

Human history has proved time and time again its is impossible to create lasting peace because of intolerance, a lack of being able to understand one another.

Humanities inability to truly understand people stems from the inability of humans to experience the world as others do, and until the day we can truly experience the life of others as they do, humans will be intolerant and thus lasting peace will be impossible.

Unfortunately to truly experience the world as others do all their actions would have to be our own and vice-versa, the lines between individuals would become nonexistent, all people would fundamentally be one another.

Until that day comes intolerance will remain and thus true lasting peace will be impossible, to argue against that is to argue against all of human history.

We may have brief and short lived ages of peace, but a 5 millenium peace is ultimate trivial when it will eventually come crashing down because of intolerance.
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Its the same reason I hated the end of Evangelion movie, at least in the show, which was terribly vague and non-specific, I could think Shinji did the right thing, but the movie which as much as I dislike wont deny is the canon ending he had to fuck it up for everyone else.
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though admittedly I don't think anyone should be forced into to. Let all those who desire it do it, leave, then when everyone else kills themselves in wars of intolerance, come back and chill.

I cant really argue that as having been hit by a car three times... >.>

 

[Bigsmith]

Kudos to them for keeping the ending, I'm still torn over it.

My feelings on the ending are quite simple, it was an artistic ending they didn't please everyone.

Maybe with more closer I'll grow to like the ending they chose, I suppose we'll have to see.

Glad it's free though.

 

[Jitters Caffeine]

This is me standing smugly atop my "I told you so" pedestal to all the cynical assholes who keep spewing venom about the game and that it "ruined the entire series for them"

And how exactly does that prove you right? If it ruined the series for them then it did. And whether a cynical or smug asshole, an asshole is still an asshole.

Because I get to be smug about shit like this because cynical assholes kept trying to ruin the fun for everyone else.