Mass Effect 3 Gives Steam a Miss at Launch

[Cid Silverwing]

yeah... since this is EA we're talking about, all i'm hearing is "waaah! valve won't let us spy on our customers!"

This. So very, very much.

Stop fucking your customers over, EA, and pack that Origin shit back in your ass where it belongs!

 

[Bevin Warren]

Its probably a case of all PC copies must include Origin because EA forcibly require Bioware to buy the service of Origin...Basicly Parent company has 2 companies they own... One who makes games and one who makes DRM/liscencing software... Now this is a trick Movie Studios used to do ... have Compnay 1 be required to use product of company 2 - (In fact you can see this happening in other industries just look at Bandai and the Gundam Franchise)...
that way compnay 2 that made Origin makes a profit...

It is a bit Hyppocritical of EA to claim a lack of direct customer access for Patching and DLC given they would sell way more copies on Xbox360 and PS3 and both of those require the DLC/Patches to go through their own checking and service...

 

[Eefness]

All im getting from this is "Come on guys, Steam is stupid, use OUR awesome cool new game selling service *coughthatweowncough*"

Yea sorry but no.

 

[grigjd3]

This is the "reformed EA" that no longer kills games, right. Seems like the same D-baggery that I've long grown to expect from the graveyard of game developers. It just pisses me off that somebody made something as good as Mass Effect and then people as stupid as the executives at EA decided to give me plenty of reason not to play the conclusion to the series. They ruined Wing Commander and Ultima, they ruined so many games since then and now they are ruining Bioware. Most surprising, they seem to think they can dodge blame for this by some BS press release.

 

[bap789]

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[Manji187]

"Suddenly" the sales of the 360 version (and some accompanying 360's) skyrocket....what a mystery.

I hope EA will get the hint but they most likely won't.

 

[Aprilgold]

funny how everyone cries about it. but when steam took a way larger bite out of our rights a few years back, no such outrage was had. and now it has a bazillion mindles fansheep who will defend it to the death.

i for one would be glad to see valves monopoly on digital distribution broken. maybe that will force them to behave slightly less dickish. maybe.

Steam is dickish? Really? Giving away most of their libary of titles for less then retail, and even cutting them down to 25% of their orignal price on sales. Origin keeps a hold of anything you do on your computer, and will check around your files for whatever it pleases. Its spyware at a legal level. And no, Steam's monolpy isn't broken because unlike EA which has such a vast library of fucking butt raping their customers in the past, PC's were too smart to fall for it. All though some caved in to let Origin into their C/'s and files because they wanted to play a game. Steam asks, Origin gets to work even before the installation. Valve hasn't done a smear campaign against EA, but EA has been throwing mud for at least a year.

Origin also doesn't do a good job customer service wise. There are Ton's of R/gaming threads about being disconnected half way through the conversation, or off the bat. Straight up refusing to allow some purchases through and more. Steam has never once just left me with a problem, ever. Origin crashed and burned and does a very large smear campaign against Steam all the fucking time. You don't see Steam saying "Oh Direct 2 Drive gives off more viruses then any other Digital Distribution platform." Have you?

yes, yes they are. even if i'm going to get stoned by hordes of fanboys for saying that.
here where i live their prices are a bad joke most of the time, only during some sales there is something that becomes..well, not atractive, but worth looking at maybe.
their region locking practices are criminal (really valve? when i drive 60 miles west to my other house i'm not allowed to play my legally bought games anymore? really?) and thatyou never had a problem with steam is nice, but frankly, that doesn't mean a thing. for me and many others it's notoriously unreliable, prone to disconnect (on several machines and internet connections, so it's not a settings issue), offline mode is not really working at all either.

now i'm not saying EA would be the good guys here, they are bastards, no question. i just find it hilarious to see people going all white knight over their beloved valve, that is just as bad as EA, and spurting brainles nonsense. like that "origin is spyware dur hurb durb" shit. seriously, get informed, then talk. as someone pointed out earlyer in the topic, origin collects way less data then steam does in it's voluntary surveys. no spying on programs, applications, passwords or anything.

Its all encrypted, last time I checked. I'm not going to install something thats going to check files by itself unless it asks beforehand. Which, Steam does. I use the term 'legalized spyware' because thats what it is. If I download something with Spyware on it, it'll do its thing without asking. Which Origin doesn't do.

While I did forget about how they continent lock things, I honestly see that only being a problem, if you let Steam connect to the internet. The only one I can think of is that pricing anywhere but the US is terrible, which I forgot about.

I have a very large hatred for EA because it has such a very god damn large history of making its player base look like 13 year olds. And its main tactic to draw people to origin is to make Steam look less professional then them, which hasn't happened. Steam has earned their undying fanbase through its amazing Client, and Valve's well crafted games. EA lost theirs years ago when they started to support both Online Passes, and campaigns to appeal to a younger audience for their M rated games.

I'll just leave this here.

 

[M-E-D The Poet]

and so we're buying this for xbox 360 again "sighs"

Or ehm... you know that one group of people on the pc that's never bothered by this kind of stuff because they start bypassing anything of the kind as quick as possible anyway.


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You dare tell me I'm wrong here

Edit: In advance, if you're going to warn me for this , Free speech is a bit of a bummer right?

Because I know mentions of this are frowned upon but I'm obviously not in support of it, just pointing something out

 

[Kathinka]

funny how everyone cries about it. but when steam took a way larger bite out of our rights a few years back, no such outrage was had. and now it has a bazillion mindles fansheep who will defend it to the death.

i for one would be glad to see valves monopoly on digital distribution broken. maybe that will force them to behave slightly less dickish. maybe.

Steam is dickish? Really? Giving away most of their libary of titles for less then retail, and even cutting them down to 25% of their orignal price on sales. Origin keeps a hold of anything you do on your computer, and will check around your files for whatever it pleases. Its spyware at a legal level. And no, Steam's monolpy isn't broken because unlike EA which has such a vast library of fucking butt raping their customers in the past, PC's were too smart to fall for it. All though some caved in to let Origin into their C/'s and files because they wanted to play a game. Steam asks, Origin gets to work even before the installation. Valve hasn't done a smear campaign against EA, but EA has been throwing mud for at least a year.

Origin also doesn't do a good job customer service wise. There are Ton's of R/gaming threads about being disconnected half way through the conversation, or off the bat. Straight up refusing to allow some purchases through and more. Steam has never once just left me with a problem, ever. Origin crashed and burned and does a very large smear campaign against Steam all the fucking time. You don't see Steam saying "Oh Direct 2 Drive gives off more viruses then any other Digital Distribution platform." Have you?

yes, yes they are. even if i'm going to get stoned by hordes of fanboys for saying that.
here where i live their prices are a bad joke most of the time, only during some sales there is something that becomes..well, not atractive, but worth looking at maybe.
their region locking practices are criminal (really valve? when i drive 60 miles west to my other house i'm not allowed to play my legally bought games anymore? really?) and thatyou never had a problem with steam is nice, but frankly, that doesn't mean a thing. for me and many others it's notoriously unreliable, prone to disconnect (on several machines and internet connections, so it's not a settings issue), offline mode is not really working at all either.

now i'm not saying EA would be the good guys here, they are bastards, no question. i just find it hilarious to see people going all white knight over their beloved valve, that is just as bad as EA, and spurting brainles nonsense. like that "origin is spyware dur hurb durb" shit. seriously, get informed, then talk. as someone pointed out earlyer in the topic, origin collects way less data then steam does in it's voluntary surveys. no spying on programs, applications, passwords or anything.

Its all encrypted, last time I checked. I'm not going to install something thats going to check files by itself unless it asks beforehand. Which, Steam does. I use the term 'legalized spyware' because thats what it is. If I download something with Spyware on it, it'll do its thing without asking. Which Origin doesn't do.

While I did forget about how they continent lock things, I honestly see that only being a problem, if you let Steam connect to the internet. The only one I can think of is that pricing anywhere but the US is terrible, which I forgot about.

I have a very large hatred for EA because it has such a very god damn large history of making its player base look like 13 year olds. And its main tactic to draw people to origin is to make Steam look less professional then them, which hasn't happened. Steam has earned their undying fanbase through its amazing Client, and Valve's well crafted games. EA lost theirs years ago when they started to support both Online Passes, and campaigns to appeal to a younger audience for their M rated games.

I'll just leave this here.

well i have two residences, and i usually stay 8-10 months in the one, and 2-4 months in the other. so remaining offline isn't really an option, especially since i play multiplayer games mostly. (my solution to this usually is not to buy their games as long as they pull this shit, since fortunately downloading games is perfectly legal where i'm from).

and origin encrypts the collected information too, none of it can be traced back to an individual machine or user. the whole debate is free from any logical basis, it's just massive fanboyism at work. of course EA are dicks, there is no denying that. but valve arn't any better.

 

[Aprilgold]

well i have two residences, and i usually stay 8-10 months in the one, and 2-4 months in the other. so remaining offline isn't really an option, especially since i play multiplayer games mostly. (my solution to this usually is not to buy their games as long as they pull this shit, since fortunately downloading games is perfectly legal where i'm from).

and origin encrypts the collected information too, none of it can be traced back to an individual machine or user. the whole debate is free from any logical basis, it's just massive fanboyism at work. of course EA are dicks, there is no denying that. but valve arn't any better.

Wouldn't they, also, have to un-encrypt the data to simply use it for whatever they need to use it for. That data is right there for them to use anyway, so it goes back to its my word vs their word on the whole thing. Have you noticed how they constantly say they want to "Get in touch with our customers" and saying that Steam is the problem for it? Its like their hinting at doing what I'm accusing them of doing.

Steam at least asks before it does its searching. I've never had a problem with Steam disconnecting me from customer support. I've never really had any problems with what you mentioned since I'm in the US. And I've never had my Steam account hacked. Origin doesn't deserve to be treated kindly, because, once again, Valve earned their rabid fanbase, and EA lost theirs. So me sounding like a fanboy is the correct way to hear it because, quite literally, EA is the highest scum of the gaming industry.

 

[newwiseman]

All I had to hear is Origin to tell me not to buy into to ME3, not that I was going to anyway after how disappointing ME2 was...

 

[Epona]

origin and online stuff is here to stay so leave if you don't like it since that's really the only course left at this point

You're not catching everyone's major complaints, one of them being you're required to have a constant connection to the Origin service even when you're playing single player. Apparently EA didn't learn from when Ubisoft tried this.
What happens if on launch day, or any other day and the authentication servers go down? This will. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/98927-Ubisoft-DRM-Authentication-Servers-Go-Down]

Also there's the issue that Origin spies on you at all times, and while you may argue that Seam does that too, they at least ask you if you want to give up info, and if you don't they won't take it.

Origin also has that nasty business where if you're banned on EA fourms you can't play your games. [http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/11/14/ea-forum-bans-are-still-affecting-games/]

Seriously dude, you need to realize that EA's Origin service really, really sucks.
Sure Steam isn't perfect, but I'd rather take a sucker punch to the gut than a kick to my balls any day.

since we use it for tv its always online so that no big deal. the spying doesn't really seem like its harming anything since i haven't gotten any odd phone calls or weird withdrawals from my bank account so at this point its nothing more then baseless paranoia or i hate this just because i want to be like all the other sheep. unless the other tings happened more often doesn't seem like its a big deal either.

If there were a strange guy that came into your house and looked around at random intervals but didn't steal anything, would you object to that or would that be "baseless paranoia"?

 

[martin's a madman]

Was going to buy Mass Effect 1 and 2 on Steam, because I played number 1 on Xbox, but hadn't played through two yet.

I wouldn't want to have 2/3 because I am not dealing with Origin, so I passed on the Christmas sales after hearing it probably wouldn't be on Steam.

So, now I know for sure, and won't be buying any of the games.

 

[minimacker]

Hah. Alright.

In that case, I won't be buying it. I only want one Steam, and that's Steam.

 

[ciasteczkowyp]

good +1 for those who don't like how steam restricts devs.

 

[asinann]

"Playing Mass Effect 3 multiplayer will require a constant connection."

Well there's plenty of other games to play anyway, looks like ME3 can wait.

So playing a game online will require a constant connection and you are whining about it?

EVERY game that does mutli-player online requires a constant connection.

 

[Phoenixlight]

So many steam fanboys, it's sickening. Just because it won't be on Steam doesn't mean that you shouldn't buy it...

 

[Firetaffer]

"Playing Mass Effect 3 multiplayer will require a constant connection."

Well there's plenty of other games to play anyway, looks like ME3 can wait.

So playing a game online will require a constant connection and you are whining about it?

EVERY game that does mutli-player online requires a constant connection.

Sorry for being nitpicky but Frozen Synapse and the Civilization series don't require a constant connection to the internet.