Ah. Full circle now. I hope anyone reading this thread can just see how quickly they change their stance.
1. Not vital.
2. not significant
3. Little impact.
4. Wont change ending.
5. Important but not necessary.
6. Important but extra ability inconsequential to plot.
Applause. You go dayonedlc side. You guys are certainly getting there, just not in the way that you think.
My guess for 7. Impact not as big as other squademates.
I didn't say any of those things in the list to you. What you and I were discussing before was about how you seem to think that the DLC is content removed whereas I think it's extra content for extra cost. My stance has always been that the character is important but the squadmate could possibly comparable to how you got Liara in the Shadow Broker DLC.
anthony87 said:
lacktheknack said:
Aprilgold said:
lacktheknack said:
Aprilgold said:
Its a living prothean, which have been said to be extinct. "OK everyone, were going to beam down to the planet, me and the prothean are going to hang" once on planet "HOLY SHIT ITS A PROTHEAN, EVERYONE ALERT THE MEDIA, THESE DUDES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD AS SHIT SON!" But on a much larger scale. Hell, even Shephard would be like "OMFG ITS A PROTHEAN!" since its basically his whole reason for being important.
Within the context on the story, its impossible for them to play this off as a low-key character when he is part of a extinct race that is heavily important to the lore.
You forget that Mass Effect 3 is a thirty-hour game.
Even if the Prothean held the secrets to utopia and turned out to be the biggest deal ever, it wouldn't happen until after Mass Effect 3 (and by extension, the series) is over. And the whole debacle is based entirely around how this effects Mass Effect 3.
I just don't thinks there any way to downplay his existence near Shephard if he is part of their crew or on their ship without the media going "OH SHIT SON!" Its such a big plot point of the series, that if it isn't played up on right then it will look cheap and tacky on EA's side.
See this is what I thought too. From what I've heard it sounds comparable to Liara with the Shadow Broker DLC. She's in the game anyway and interacts with Sheppard. DLC adds her as a squadmate and gives a new mission. Main story isn't affected at all.
[HEADING=1]READ THIS IF YOU AREN'T AFRAID OF MASS EFFECT 3 SPOILERS![/HEADING]
Having read the spoilers in the leaked script (the actual proper leaked script, not the shockingly crappy draft) I can confirm that the arguments about the Prothean being super important and essential to the plot are false.
In the original draft, he was central to the story. However in the actual script of the game his role has been decreased dramatically, to the point that there is virtually no difference between a game that DOES have him and a game that DOESN'T. To put it simply he is no longer key to the plot, and the plot goes along perfectly well without him being in it at all.
The only thing that happens if you download him is you get an additional mission and then he's a squadmate, that's it. He has no vital intel or central conflict that the game would be lost without, just a minor mission that has little to no bearing on the actual story itself and after that he, like Zaeed and Kasumi before him, just exists on the ship with nothing more to say to you.
He is not 'removed' content, he is 'tacked on' content.
Hell, I'll give you a little fun fact about his DLC mission:
He can DIE, minutes into his recruitment mission. He basically wakes up, ragdolls a few Cerberus soldiers and then sees Shepard and Company, panics and Shepard has to convince him that he's not a threat, otherwise kill him.
Yeah that's a fitting treatment for a character who is apparently super duper mega important to the plot.
That's one of the benefits of being a poster on BSN, if you can wade through the creepiness, you find out new news about Mass Effect 3 faster. It also gives you perspective on what to be pissed off about and what to dismiss as 'nothing worth worrying about' and if you ask me, while Bioware are in the naughty stool for me for a lot relating to Mass Effect 3, this isn't one of them.
Bioware redesigning established female characters just to give them sex appeal? That's something to be pissed about. Bioware relying on gimmicks to market the game? That's something to be pissed about. Bioware adding an IGN reviewer to the cast in Mass Effect 3? Something to be pissed about (arguably). Bioware still not giving any info about whether or not they've given the approval to the Play Arts Kai line of action figures? Something to be pissed about (though I would be shocked if they didn't approve of them, they look great).
Bioware making a day one DLC be a bonus mission and squadmate that has no bearing on the game story whatsoever? Not something to be pissed about. If you want, you can be pissed that Bioware decided to add something to the story that should be important but turned it into a gimmick, or pissed that Bioware would make a dumb decision like adding a prothean to the plot in the first place (I think it's dumb anyway). All I'm saying is, do a little research first and know what should and shouldn't be hated on.
The Prothean points out the Crucible to Shepard, from the leaked scripts this is how they stop the reapers
Prothean: ...you found one of our beacons. You saw it happen... our destruction... our warnings... Why weren't they heeded? Why didn't you prepare for the Reapers, human?
Shepard: It's 'Commander'. And nobody could understand your warnings. The beacon nearly killed me!
Prothean: Then communication is still primitive in this cycle. You can't absorb knowledge as we did.
Liara: Shepard can.
Prothean: Then the extinction was delayed?
Shepard: We pieced together what we could - and used it to stop a Reaper invasion three years ago. Now we have your plans for the Crucible. We've started building it.
Prothean: 'Crucible'?
Liara: The weapon your people were working on. I'd hoped you could tell us how to finish it.
Prothean: So much has been lost. So much I don't know. I was a soldier, not a scientist. Skilled in one art: killing. When it was clear our war was lost, I was chosen to go forward to the next cycle.
Shepard: What was your mission?
Prothean: Among my people, there were...avatars of many traits: bravery, strength, cunning. A single exemplar for each.
Shepard: Which are you?
Prothean: The embodiment of vengeance. I am the anger of a dead people, demanding blood be spilled for the blood we lost. Only when the last Reaper has been destroyed will my purpose be fulfilled. I have no other reason to exist. Those who share my purpose become allies. Those who do not become casualties. Do you agree, Commander?
Shepard: I'd say you found an ally. The only goal we have on this ship is wiping the Reapers from existence.
From what I have heard the character will still be in the game and the story elements connected to him will still be resolved even if you shell out for the DLC or not. So all you miss out on is a character and a few sidequests. However that was from Bioware again. You obviously know more than them. You have read leaks on the internet so you can't be wrong. If it bothers you so much that you'll miss a few fractions of story connected to the side quests don't buy the game and miss out on all of the story. That sounds like a fair exchange.
Set aside the sarcasm. As I said, I did read the leaks, and if you told me back then "This character is being cut out to be sold as DLC" I would have thought you were joking.
But this is obviously going nowhere, so lets just leave it at that. I will not buy the game and you will, we leave this discussion to rot or you start being reasonable. Easy.
Read my posts. I have never EVER said that the character wasn't tied to the story. I said that Bioware said that the story connected to him will still be intact and the difference is that you'll miss out on side quests and having the character in your squad.
Also I must say that I hope it's irony when you ask me to be reasonable. I say Bioware states that the story will be intact. You state that it wont be. You base that statement on nothing but some leaked story that no-one can say will be in both version of the game or not since so far no-one has played it. If it is like you say that they have removed important story then that is one of the shadiest moves they have come up with. Now considering this is EA that is saying something. Also I do agree that their reason for why it's not included in the normal version is bullshit.
Generally speaking, if you scream loud enough and long enough at people, they'll just start agreeing with you in the hopes you'll shut up and go away. This is a pretty common phenomenon. Persistence + volume will win you arguments against most sane individuals, because after a while they'll just have had all they can stand.
notice I am not agreeing with even one of their points.
Plus; anyone can check for their selves how their position slowly changed. I like to think this was organic not just them going "enough of this". If it was the latter, they'd stop replying. You guys DONT HAVE TO REPLY.
I think you were the one screaming in that scenario actually. Honestly I'm impressed by Zeel's willfull ignorance. That takes a whole lot of covering your ears and going "lalalalala". Its been like 8 pages! Congrats.
I agree with Anthony87. Its not the end of the world and really its just a squadmate. The bigger concern and annoyance to me is really the different bonuses you get from buying it from different locations. While right now its just some armor or a weapon, I don't like the road that this could easily go down. Of course I have ordered the SE so I'm gravy.
basically, an extremely vital part of the mass effect lore and story has been cut out and will be sold as dlc on launch day. it will be free if you have the collectors edition but everyone else will have to pay $10 for it. now im all for giving people a reason to buy a game new but this does the exact opposite. i have no reason to buy the game new anymore because just to get the complete story i will have to buy the dlc anyway. it just strikes me as a big "fuck you" to the fans. bravo, EA, bravo.
it is unbelievable how pissed off, i mean reactionary people are about this. it is 10 freaking dollars and for the most part prior ME DLCs have been fantastic and worth the money -- overlord, kasumi: stolen memory, lair of the shadow broker. i even liked zaeed because his inferno grendae was fucking awesome. i was less impressed with arrival because choice, which is supposed to be a major part of the ME series, had no effect on the outcome.
fans of the series who have played since the beginning will get ME3 regardless and will in all likelihood also get the DLC. i know i will, because having that creature around seems pretty bad ass to me and to see how Bioware explains how this particular squad mate is even around.
(doing my best as vague and spoiler free as possible)
"Added" Does original development cycle mean a thing to you? But lets just say its being added for argument sakes; why are they charging us 10 dollars or an extra 20 dollars for content that didn't cost them an additional dime? Fair? Or unethical?
Generally speaking, if you scream loud enough and long enough at people, they'll just start agreeing with you in the hopes you'll shut up and go away. This is a pretty common phenomenon. Persistence + volume will win you arguments against most sane individuals, because after a while they'll just have had all they can stand.
notice I am not agreeing with even one of their points.
Plus; anyone can check for their selves how their position slowly changed. I like to think this was organic not just them going "enough of this". If it was the latter, they'd stop replying. You guys DONT HAVE TO REPLY.
I think you were the one screaming in that scenario actually. Honestly I'm impressed by Zeel's willfull ignorance. That takes a whole lot of covering your ears and going "lalalalala". Its been like 8 pages! Congrats.
I agree with Anthony87. Its not the end of the world and really its just a squadmate. The bigger concern and annoyance to me is really the different bonuses you get from buying it from different locations. While right now its just some armor or a weapon, I don't like the road that this could easily go down. Of course I have ordered the SE so I'm gravy.
true, it is mostly speculation. but given the significance of that race to the story of the game and its lore, it seems like it would likely be a really important character and could provide a lot of answers. game companies have done shit like this before, like final fantasy 13-2 making one of the endings of the game, dlc
No, stop!
You're assuming ontop of your speculation, just because he's prothean doesn't mean they will have major significance on the game not one bit.
Your OP was clearly hyping up something you don't even know is certified as fact, stop this shit right now.
Also it's not "incomplete" at all, again stop that.
[HEADING=1]READ THIS IF YOU AREN'T AFRAID OF MASS EFFECT 3 SPOILERS![/HEADING]
Having read the spoilers in the leaked script (the actual proper leaked script, not the shockingly crappy draft) I can confirm that the arguments about the Prothean being super important and essential to the plot are false.
In the original draft, he was central to the story. However in the actual script of the game his role has been decreased dramatically, to the point that there is virtually no difference between a game that DOES have him and a game that DOESN'T. To put it simply he is no longer key to the plot, and the plot goes along perfectly well without him being in it at all.
The only thing that happens if you download him is you get an additional mission and then he's a squadmate, that's it. He has no vital intel or central conflict that the game would be lost without, just a minor mission that has little to no bearing on the actual story itself and after that he, like Zaeed and Kasumi before him, just exists on the ship with nothing more to say to you.
He is not 'removed' content, he is 'tacked on' content.
Hell, I'll give you a little fun fact about his DLC mission:
He can DIE, minutes into his recruitment mission. He basically wakes up, ragdolls a few Cerberus soldiers and then sees Shepard and Company, panics and Shepard has to convince him that he's not a threat, otherwise kill him.
Yeah that's a fitting treatment for a character who is apparently super duper mega important to the plot.
That's one of the benefits of being a poster on BSN, if you can wade through the creepiness, you find out new news about Mass Effect 3 faster. It also gives you perspective on what to be pissed off about and what to dismiss as 'nothing worth worrying about' and if you ask me, while Bioware are in the naughty stool for me for a lot relating to Mass Effect 3, this isn't one of them.
Bioware redesigning established female characters just to give them sex appeal? That's something to be pissed about. Bioware relying on gimmicks to market the game? That's something to be pissed about. Bioware adding an IGN reviewer to the cast in Mass Effect 3? Something to be pissed about (arguably). Bioware still not giving any info about whether or not they've given the approval to the Play Arts Kai line of action figures? Something to be pissed about (though I would be shocked if they didn't approve of them, they look great).
Bioware making a day one DLC be a bonus mission and squadmate that has no bearing on the game story whatsoever? Not something to be pissed about. If you want, you can be pissed that Bioware decided to add something to the story that should be important but turned it into a gimmick, or pissed that Bioware would make a dumb decision like adding a prothean to the plot in the first place (I think it's dumb anyway). All I'm saying is, do a little research first and know what should and shouldn't be hated on.
The Prothean points out the Crucible to Shepard, from the leaked scripts this is how they stop the reapers
Prothean: ...you found one of our beacons. You saw it happen... our destruction... our warnings... Why weren't they heeded? Why didn't you prepare for the Reapers, human?
Shepard: It's 'Commander'. And nobody could understand your warnings. The beacon nearly killed me!
Prothean: Then communication is still primitive in this cycle. You can't absorb knowledge as we did.
Liara: Shepard can.
Prothean: Then the extinction was delayed?
Shepard: We pieced together what we could - and used it to stop a Reaper invasion three years ago. Now we have your plans for the Crucible. We've started building it.
Prothean: 'Crucible'?
Liara: The weapon your people were working on. I'd hoped you could tell us how to finish it.
Prothean: So much has been lost. So much I don't know. I was a soldier, not a scientist. Skilled in one art: killing. When it was clear our war was lost, I was chosen to go forward to the next cycle.
Shepard: What was your mission?
Prothean: Among my people, there were...avatars of many traits: bravery, strength, cunning. A single exemplar for each.
Shepard: Which are you?
Prothean: The embodiment of vengeance. I am the anger of a dead people, demanding blood be spilled for the blood we lost. Only when the last Reaper has been destroyed will my purpose be fulfilled. I have no other reason to exist. Those who share my purpose become allies. Those who do not become casualties. Do you agree, Commander?
Shepard: I'd say you found an ally. The only goal we have on this ship is wiping the Reapers from existence.
Having read the dialogue you just showed me... no he doesn't. He doesn't point out the Crucible to Shepard. Liara and Shepard ask him about the Crucible, themselves having prior knowledge of it already. He then says 'Crucible?' in confusion, having clearly never heard of it. Shepard and Liara then reveal that they know the Crucible's purpose and have already started working on it and ask the Prothean if he knows how to complete it and the Prothean essentially says:
"It's been too long and I'm just a warrior, I have no idea how this works."
He doesn't point out the Crucible, Shepard and Co already know it exists. He also offers no plot important insight into the Crucible, just glib remarks about vengeance and lost time.
What we can confirm from this is that the existence and plans about the Crucible are done independant of the Prothean and the Prothean adds nothing to it afterwards.
Understand that going by the context of the dialogue, when they say 'your plans for the crucible' they mean as in 'your people's plans' and not 'your plans' specifically.
I'm sorry if I've offended but I'm still really not seeing him be that important.
You base that statement on nothing but some leaked story that no-one can say will be in both version of the game or not since so far no-one has played it.
You do know that the game was leaked in an xbox live screw up and since then the game has been playable, with a few subtitles and facial textures missing, right?
Because thats what happened, and a bunch of people have played it.
OK, you're clearly not reading my post. I KNOW that the story has been leaked. I have never denied it. All I am saying is that Bioware claims that the important story element connected to the character are intact, but you wont have him in your squad or get the sidequests. Neither of your links prove that wrong. Someone played the beta, sure, but a beta is not the same as the finished game. You got nothing that states the story will be incomplete so you are not being reasonable. It doesn't get any more simple than that.
And they wonder why people might want to pirate their games instead of paying an obnoxious price for the full game, rather than just $60 for an incomplete version.
We don't know what role the DLC character plays. How do you know he is a "vital part of the lore" any more than, say, Kasumi? All the guy in the video says is, "He's a fucking Prothean!" Because that's all he knows about it.
true, it is mostly speculation. but given the significance of that race to the story of the game and its lore, it seems like it would likely be a really important character and could provide a lot of answers. game companies have done shit like this before, like final fantasy 13-2 making one of the endings of the game, dlc
You base that statement on nothing but some leaked story that no-one can say will be in both version of the game or not since so far no-one has played it.
You do know that the game was leaked in an xbox live screw up and since then the game has been playable, with a few subtitles and facial textures missing, right?
Because thats what happened, and a bunch of people have played it.
OK, you're clearly not reading my post. I KNOW that the story has been leaked. I have never denied it. All I am saying is that Bioware claims that the important story element connected to the character are intact, but you wont have him in your squad or get the sidequests. Neither of your links prove that wrong. Someone played the beta, sure, but a beta is not the same as the finished game. You got nothing that states the story will be incomplete so you are not being reasonable. It doesn't get any more simple than that.
So, we ignore the leaks because Bioware swore he wouldnt be central to the story, honest. Sounds alright. Not like Bioware has been untruthful before, right?
That is not what I have been saying. What I have been saying is that Bioware says that the important parts of the story containing him will be present, but you wont have him in your squad. Really, I wont bother to go on with this because I am repeating the same thing over and over here, but you don't seem to bother to read what I am saying.
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