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SajuukKhar

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Here is a nice quote made by Jessica Merizan, Community Manager for Bioware, on a reddit subforum where she did a ask me anything interview today.
http://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/q2sl2/i_am_jessica_merizan_community_manager_for/

"[-]jessicamerizan 191 points 4 hours ago

I think there's a lot of misinformation out there and I wish the guy who made the initial video about it would have had an open mind before jumping to conclusions based on a leak we weren't ready to address. Since I'm a BioWare employee, I know people won't automatically trust me, but I hope people will consider that it wasn't cut content from the larger game. I was in Edmonton when we were finishing the game in November/December and I was in Edmonton again last month when they were working on the Day 1 DLC. It definitely was only possible to do because the main game was in certification (which means we had to wait for people to test it and make sure everything was good etc before we could get the greenlight to sell it). I also played the game WITHOUT the DLC in my first playthrough and honestly, it's an awesome addition but I was more than happy with what I was given in the game. It's bigger and more expansive than ever. Of course, I understand the concern but I hope we can all have an intelligent conversation about it and cover what the facts are in this situation.

Hope that helps a little bit. This is an awkward format to answer this question, but I know I could explain it if you were sitting next to me on a couch with some coffee/tea ;)

also this farther down

[-]ZombieWomble 19 points 4 hours ago

The production is one issue, but I think many more people are annoyed by the particular content of the DLC - I expect that if it was a "normal" character, like Zaeed, Shale, Sebastian or Kasumi in Bioware's other titles, it would probably have been met with a shrug and some minor moaning about greedy developers.

But the choice of character is so shocking, given the rest of the ME lore, that it's mind-boggling that it was bundled into DLC. At first glance, the character sounds like they must be plot- and lore-significant, simply because they exist, and the fact that it apparently sits outside the main plotline is baffling. Which raises the question of when the idea of this character was introduced, and if it was taken from the original plans for the main game, or not. The timing of when the team worked on it is really immaterial to its impact on the world and its lore.

So, to sum all that up in a question: There is a lot of anger about the lore surrounding this character. Is it as bad as it looks? Does this character's existence really shake the lore as much as it seems they must, or is it closer in heft to Zaeed or Kasumi?

It's sad, really, because I'm now torn - ME3 really should be a day 1 purchase, given the pedigree, but if this really is significant, plot-shaking content carved off into DLC, then that's not really something that I can get behind.

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[-]jessicamerizan 19 points 1 hour ago

I hope you understand that I'm in a position where to reassure you, it would require me to reveal story spoilers, something that I don't think is acceptable.

Personally, I began my career as an archaeologist (for serious!) and the events surrounding this new character speak to me. However, if it wasn't DLC, it definitely wouldn't have been in the main game. There's other things that didn't fit in the main game that may end up as future DLC.

Again, I think this is a cool edition and definitely intended as a reward for serious fans (many of whom have purchased the collector's edition so this isn't even an issue for them). However, I have played the game without it and the lore surrounding the DLC is in the game already, this character just gives their own take on it.

Was that any less vague or helpful to anyone? :p
 

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Zeel said:
It's not that greed is "new" It's that we've slowly grown tolerant of all kinds of strange greed and excessive greed. This DLC business is a relatively new invention and it is doing what has never been done; selling content on disc for more than the original price. This is new. the examples you've mentioned the rpg's for 69. THough I'm sure they existed back then, they were NOT THE MAJORITY. New game releases are always fucking 60 bucks.

Plus its a bit ridiculous of you to say "omg voice pack" none of the games during that generation had voice actors, a voice pack back then WOULD have to cost 40 bucks. Or no one would even waste time on it. Though can you tell me which games you speak of. I'm very curious.
No, they really were, Zeel. Games were really expensive back then. Especially the halfway decent ones, which, generally speaking, were the only ones you'd want to play.

Why is it ridiculous? That was the cost of "game + expansion". That was the "DLC" of that time. The reason you're seeing it more now is because the internet has matured to the point where it can function as a delivery system for this shit. Again, we are not "more tolerant of greed", and greed is not a new development.

I don't even disagree with you, Zeel, that day one DLC is brazen and greedy. Clearly it is. If they want $10 extra for some day one DLC I consider indispensible, then I guess the game now costs $69 instead of $59. Would I pay $69 for ME3? I guess I would. I bet most people would. That's how a free market works, man.

What I don't understand is the volume of your outrage. This isn't medicine for your kids, or food, or drinking water. This is a fucking video game about Space Jesus and Killer Robots. If you have to wait a few months for the price to drop, or just not play it, your life will continue pretty much undisturbed. If they priced themselves out of your interest range, don't buy it.

You're up to like 150 posts now on this issue. In the time it took you to write those posts, you could've worked for a couple of hours and gotten the DLC for free, and maybe a nice sandwich as well. Wouldn't a nice sandwich be better than all this upset? I think it would.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
saltychipmunk said:
I remember when games were 50 dollars, then cod posted at 60 dollars and now lookie lookie , every freaking publisher is starting to post at 60 dollars what a shocker.
Oh yeah? I've been gaming for 30 years. I remember when a new RPG was $69-89. I remember only being able to buy 1-2 titles a year, if that. I remember when they'd release a "voice pack" that added voice acting to your game for $40. I remember owning a console back when there was no such thing as "used games" or renting from the video store, you bought it new for whatever godforsaken price they were asking, or you didn't buy it at all.

Now most new games cost $39-49 for me, or I can wait a few months and get them for $5-10 in a Steam sale. I can rent a $60 console game for $5, and play it to completion over a weekend. I can get fantastic, innovative games like the Minecraft or the Humble Indie Bundle for next to nothing.

The fact is this hobby has never been cheaper, and we've never had anywhere near this amount of choice available to us. Even the most obscure genres get serviced by independent developers.

You go on and keep thinking that "greed" is like, a new thing they just came up with a couple of years ago though, or that we're teetering on the edge of a terrifying slippery slope, where things like market forces and supply and demand won't exist any more, and the publishers will charge us a BILLION DOLLARS for new games and we'll HAVE to pay it because OMG.

Our completely non-essential hobby costs money. It has always cost money. It continues to cost money. Boo frickin' hoo.
Remember when an Atari Cartridge for ET costed 89.99?

Kids these days.
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri0vrJ-y2zM&feature=g-u-u&context=G2d57caeFUAAAAAAAAAA

basically, an extremely vital part of the mass effect lore and story has been cut out and will be sold as dlc on launch day. it will be free if you have the collectors edition but everyone else will have to pay $10 for it. now im all for giving people a reason to buy a game new but this does the exact opposite. i have no reason to buy the game new anymore because just to get the complete story i will have to buy the dlc anyway. it just strikes me as a big "fuck you" to the fans. bravo, EA, bravo.
I love the series, so I'm buying the collectors edition... one way to look at this is, the standard edition is missing content, another way to look at it is, the collectors edition has more content.

Either way, its incentive for those who've pre-ordered the game to upgrade to the collectors edition (if its even possible, my pre-order has been down for a good 9 months or so, I think), but ultimately, everyone who wants the full game will need to pay $10 more, so isn't it all equal?
 

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Zeel said:
Plus its a bit ridiculous of you to say "omg voice pack" none of the games during that generation had voice actors, a voice pack back then WOULD have to cost 40 bucks. Or no one would even waste time on it. Though can you tell me which games you speak of. I'm very curious.
Strike Commander, for one.
Were you even born then? It's a 1993 game.
This is more or less when games started having real voices.
One of the best ones I ever played back then was Gabriel Knight: Sins of the Fathers. Also 1993. Gabriel was voiced by Tim Curry. It was glorious.
 

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Raognerrrm said:
My understanding is that he will still be in the game, but the DLC will allow him to be part of your squad and give you an extra mission (or more).
Someone from Bioware also said that they started making the DLC after Mass Effect 3 had gone gold. This means it's not using up the development time, and basically gives Bioware something to do while they wait for Microsoft and Sony to test the actual game.
Thus, I have no problem with it.
What this guy said. Plus, they have said from the start that this DLC was at first intended to fan service to those who bought the CE. They just decided to release this as Day 1 DLC because so many people bought the CE.

Also, he isn't extremely relevant to the story...so...

Ya know...honestly I don't even get mad about the costume packs anymore. Sure they are "leaving" out parts of the game but its parts of the game that don't even matter. If you are that worked up about a costume pack then you are probably one of the few people interested in actually buying a costume pack.
 

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Loethlin said:
BloatedGuppy said:
Oh yeah? I've been gaming for 30 years. I remember when a new RPG was $69-89. I remember only being able to buy 1-2 titles a year, if that. I remember when they'd release a "voice pack" that added voice acting to your game for $40. I remember owning a console back when there was no such thing as "used games" or renting from the video store, you bought it new for whatever godforsaken price they were asking, or you didn't buy it at all.

Now most new games cost $39-49 for me, or I can wait a few months and get them for $5-10 in a Steam sale. I can rent a $60 console game for $5, and play it to completion over a weekend. I can get fantastic, innovative games like the Minecraft or the Humble Indie Bundle for next to nothing.

The fact is this hobby has never been cheaper, and we've never had anywhere near this amount of choice available to us. Even the most obscure genres get serviced by independent developers.

You go on and keep thinking that "greed" is like, a new thing they just came up with a couple of years ago though, or that we're teetering on the edge of a terrifying slippery slope, where things like market forces and supply and demand won't exist any more, and the publishers will charge us a BILLION DOLLARS for new games and we'll HAVE to pay it because OMG.

Our completely non-essential hobby costs money. It has always cost money. It continues to cost money. Boo frickin' hoo.
THIS! The whole thing!

It's been more around 20 years for me but I get you.
Thanks for making me feel so old, tho. :(
Agreed! I really like that he highlighted our hobby is a nonessential hobby. Some people fail to realize that.
 

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Zeel said:
Loethlin said:
Zeel said:
Plus its a bit ridiculous of you to say "omg voice pack" none of the games during that generation had voice actors, a voice pack back then WOULD have to cost 40 bucks. Or no one would even waste time on it. Though can you tell me which games you speak of. I'm very curious.
Strike Commander, for one.
Were you even born then? It's a 1993 game.
This is more or less when games started having real voices.
One of the best ones I ever played back then was Gabriel Knight: Sins of the Fathers. Also 1993. Gabriel was voiced by Tim Curry. It was glorious.
I was alive, just a little too young to remember anything. I'm was old enough to play on the Snes. anything further behind is a beyond me.
just a random question but how old are you
 

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Zeel said:
I was alive, just a little too young to remember anything. I'm was old enough to play on the Snes. anything further behind is a beyond me.
Well, HERE'S your problem!

Ok, maybe I should expand on it.
Look, you're too young to remember how brutal on the wallet it was and how things you take for granted were awesome new special features. Really, what is going on right now is nothing new. videogame industry was always like this.
 

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Zeel said:
BloatedGuppy said:
Zeel said:
It's not that greed is "new" It's that we've slowly grown tolerant of all kinds of strange greed and excessive greed. This DLC business is a relatively new invention and it is doing what has never been done; selling content on disc for more than the original price. This is new. the examples you've mentioned the rpg's for 69. THough I'm sure they existed back then, they were NOT THE MAJORITY. New game releases are always fucking 60 bucks.

Plus its a bit ridiculous of you to say "omg voice pack" none of the games during that generation had voice actors, a voice pack back then WOULD have to cost 40 bucks. Or no one would even waste time on it. Though can you tell me which games you speak of. I'm very curious.
No, they really were, Zeel. Games were really expensive back then. Especially the halfway decent ones, which, generally speaking, were the only ones you'd want to play.

Why is it ridiculous? That was the cost of "game + expansion". That was the "DLC" of that time. The reason you're seeing it more now is because the internet has matured to the point where it can function as a delivery system for this shit. Again, we are not "more tolerant of greed", and greed is not a new development.

I don't even disagree with you, Zeel, that day one DLC is brazen and greedy. Clearly it is. If they want $10 extra for some day one DLC I consider indispensible, then I guess the game now costs $69 instead of $59. Would I pay $69 for ME3? I guess I would. I bet most people would. That's how a free market works, man.

What I don't understand is the volume of your outrage. This isn't medicine for your kids, or food, or drinking water. This is a fucking video game about Space Jesus and Killer Robots. If you have to wait a few months for the price to drop, or just not play it, your life will continue pretty much undisturbed. If they priced themselves out of your interest range, don't buy it.

You're up to like 150 posts now on this issue. In the time it took you to write those posts, you could've worked for a couple of hours and gotten the DLC for free, and maybe a nice sandwich as well. Wouldn't a nice sandwich be better than all this upset? I think it would.
You almost had me until your last sentence. It's insulting to think the only reason I'm not purchasing this game for 80 bucks is because I don't want to spend the money. I had the collectors editions preordered right up until the Origins announcment. It has nothing to do with it being 'too much money'. but them going 'too far'.

My zeal is just awho I am. I am passionate about many issues. Any issue that matters to me I argue it with the same intensity. Just about who I am. insignificant or not, I will fight it.

I draw the line here, not a step further.
even when there is proof that its wrong you still fight it
 

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Zeel said:
Tony me and you are not friends. Stop replying to me.
Uh, didn't you criticize someone for pulling the "I don't want to argue with you anymore" card...and now you're telling someone to stop arguing with you...Hypocritical much?
 

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Zeel said:
erttheking said:
Zeel said:
Tony me and you are not friends. Stop replying to me.
Uh, didn't you criticize someone for pulling the "I don't want to argue with you anymore" card...and now you're telling someone to stop arguing with you...Hypocritical much?
Damn it dude. You and TONY and ANTHONY just need to get over it. EVERY TOPIC I POST ON, I get a reply from atleast one of you. No. I'm not ignoring Tony's argument. You can check for yourself. He just keeps rehashing the same thing over and over again like my fucking grandmother on thanksgiven. YOU seem to turn up at the worst times. I'll be in an argument and then you come in and just "OMG HE IZ A JRKKKKK"
enough please.
We are not friends. I do not like. You don't like me. Lets leave it there.
http://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/q2sl2/i_am_jessica_merizan_community_manager_for/?sort=hot more proof you wrong about the dlc enjoy now since its pointless to continue unless this finally makes you see the light i'll see you when the game comes out when we'll see who's right
 

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Zeel said:
erttheking said:
Zeel said:
Tony me and you are not friends. Stop replying to me.
Uh, didn't you criticize someone for pulling the "I don't want to argue with you anymore" card...and now you're telling someone to stop arguing with you...Hypocritical much?
Damn it dude. You and TONY and ANTHONY just need to get over it. EVERY TOPIC I POST ON, I get a reply from atleast one of you. No. I'm not ignoring Tony's argument. You can check for yourself. He just keeps rehashing the same thing over and over again like my fucking grandmother on thanksgiven. YOU seem to turn up at the worst times. I'll be in an argument and then you come in and just "OMG HE IZ A JRKKKKK"
enough please.
We are not friends. Lets leave it there. You have an argument to make, then make it.
So let me get this straight, you criticize someone for not wanting to continue an argument, but then you criticize them for being dedicated to n argument. There should be a word for a situation like this, a person that will take any route to insult someone, even if it means changing his stance on something in a nanosecond, like in Halo when you call someone a noob for doing bad and then call someone a no life for doing better than you in the next game.

We're not friends...oh darn and I...thought that we were?
 

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tony2077 said:
http://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/q2sl2/i_am_jessica_merizan_community_manager_for/?sort=hot more proof you wrong about the dlc enjoy now since its pointless to continue unless this finally makes you see the light i'll see you when the game comes out when we'll see who's right
Ive posted that same link on about 5 threads with copy-pastad quotes from the person herself and everyone ignores it, lets hope they read it when you pst it.