Mass Effect 3
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The thing I want most from Mass Effect right now is the removal (or complete overhaul) of the paragon/renegade system. Of course, it's not going to be removed entirely at this point in the series, but I wish there were more than two valid ways to approach dialogue in the game. It also screws up any moral choice when there are clearly labeled "good" and "bad" options. Make it so that mixing paragon and renegade yields benefits, at least.
Everything else looks much improved. Combat is more fluid than 2's, and the character unlocks look more deep. The graphics are also pretty.
Everything else looks much improved. Combat is more fluid than 2's, and the character unlocks look more deep. The graphics are also pretty.
I'd like to have...
- Stealth system. No game is complete without one.
- Removed cover system.
- Less sexual relationships with my crew.
- Lounge on Normandy. And drinking games.
- Dead Sheppard. This time permanently.
- Martin Sheen's clone saying "Sheppard you fool, that was my plan from the beginning. Haaaa, haaaaa, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaaaaaaa. You're dick !"
- Stealth system. No game is complete without one.
- Removed cover system.
- Less sexual relationships with my crew.
- Lounge on Normandy. And drinking games.
- Dead Sheppard. This time permanently.
- Martin Sheen's clone saying "Sheppard you fool, that was my plan from the beginning. Haaaa, haaaaa, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaaaaaaa. You're dick !"
I can't say I like most of these. Except for that lounge, you know how badly I want that. It should be staffed by a Batarian too and Garrus can always come by and be like "I know you're up to something seedy, Quarlak.".JesterRaiin said:
On that note, I want a Batarian squad member. It's the potential end of the galaxy, let's put prejudices aside and team up with them!Ghengis John said:
Plus, they're the only other species that fit the "skeleton model" that all combat capable NPCs have.
I'm very excited about me3 and I'm doing the best I can to avoid all spoliers. Will get the collectors edition which is something I don't normally do and I'd put it alongside GW2 as my most anticipated game of 2012. This said I don't want to get too hyped about it for I'll just have unreasonable expectations and spoil the game for myself.
My decision is what format to get it on, ps3 or pc? In any other circumstance I'd buy it on PC, however, I have ME2 for my ps3 due to not having a good enough computer to run me2. So its a standoff between the will to continue my shepard(s) on the ps3 or use my laptop which is my preferred format.
I guess I'll see come March which one I buy.
My decision is what format to get it on, ps3 or pc? In any other circumstance I'd buy it on PC, however, I have ME2 for my ps3 due to not having a good enough computer to run me2. So its a standoff between the will to continue my shepard(s) on the ps3 or use my laptop which is my preferred format.
I guess I'll see come March which one I buy.
I guess that this "masterpiece" served as direct inspiration for Sheppard, so in this spirit...Ghengis John said:
...let's think...
- Stealth system.
We know, that Sheppard can take on Krogan barehanded and not only survive 5 rounds, but also win by submission via Chokehold. No doubtly ! But, can we be sure of his absolute and ultimate awesomness ? Someone, somewhere could play "ya, he's tough bloke, but Batman could kick his ass thanks to his ninja shadow moves" card.
So Stealth System is a must. Cmdr. Sheppard MUST prove to all those haters and unbelievers that he's best than Snake, Batman, Garret, and all those Assasins with their Creed !
- Removed cover system.
Covers are for pussies. Sheppard storms any fortress like an actual, you know, tempest and kicks all asses while bullets bounce out of his shiny, custom made armor. Let's be honest here - covers are only distraction for anyone who tries to resemble The True Sheppard.
Actually, i think that each and every battle stage should take place in small to medium sized hall, completely empty. Interior textures - optional.
- Less sexual relationships with crew.
I don't know how the rest of gamers see it, but for me all those small chit-chats are only distraction. Sheppard is like Kwisatz Haderach, ultimate Human, a God, and i find it simply inappropriate for mere human hirelings to distract him from his mission, which is to serve higher purposes. Really, how people dare to touch body of Sheppard ? Out of question !
I want Sheppard to be able to simply say "shut yer dirty mouth and do yer job, ye alien". Honestly, isn't serving with Sheppard an award by itself ?
- Dead Sheppard.
There's this song "I'm too sexy...". I think it was meant for Sheppard. He is simply too good for Mass Effect. He should leave his mortal shell and ascend to higher state of existence, never to be heard again. True story !
- Martin Sheen.
It's obvious that anyone who smokes cigarettes and makes pauses between sentences is doomed to become traitor at some point. I think it should be done with style ! Just imagine those "Haaaaa haaaa"s.
Those are optional. You can set each individual option from those modes in the options menu and create a unique experience. Modes are there for people who can't be bothered with advanced options. There is nothing insulting about giving people more options to play with.LordRoyal said:
The fact of the matter is the main market Bioware used to catre to was it's fans. Fans of their established franchises and science fiction in general. Mass Effect was reported originally as the "Star Wars of our generation", and that was the general feeling of the games.Undead Dragon King said:
Because they are attempting to appeal to the lowest common denominator they end up appealing less of their fanbase. It causes you to lose trust in a company you've loved for years when they start treating their fans as if they're cattle. "Oh well 40% of people like shooters and 40% of people like films. Lets just add an option so we can herd them into one pen or the other and later when we poll them on it we can start marketing more shooters/interactive films"
The fact it's in the game, a developer actually thought "This is a good idea, our producers like it, EA likes it, the sponsors like it, the fans will love it" and programmed it in, spent money on testing and having to code it into the game just screams waste of time. The fact this is in the game only proves the rest of the game is filled with more of these instances. Of tunnel vision or just lack of concern for quality. That is why it is insulting to my intelligence because it assumes I wont see something wrong with it.AD-Stu said:
Or my Bioware fanboism disappeared after Dragon Age 2.Zhukov said:
The only thing I said I didn't like was Origin and the fact the developers believe putting a feature in that only ten year olds would use was a sound buisiness move. If that is a result of me wanting the game to be custom built to fit my likeness, well so be it. I just prefer a quality game is all, not shlock that is marketed to both Mass Effect fanboys and CoD fanboys at the same time. It doesn't take a genius to know that it won't mix very well.
Note I haven't even criticized multiplayer and people throw the blinders up.
It's not the fact it's optional as much as the fact it's in the game in the first place that shows the lack of artistic credibility the developers have. If a developer gives you a "Shooter" mode, and an "Interactive cutscene mode" it is then within our good graces they give us a "RPG" mode?Adam Jensen said:
It just sounds like a massive marketing stunt to me. Like they are going to poll everyone afterwards asking whether or not they preferred the shooter mode or Interactive Cutscene mode. So that later when EA decides to continue making crap they knew that all they had to do was program it into a successful game and didn't have to do any market research.
I am a pretty big ME nut so I am hyped for the 3rd game, but I won't say the series is without it's faults. The first game was rubbish as a shooter and the second was rubbish as an RPG. I am (hopefully) looking forward to the third game being a good mix, but we shall see...
The reason I bought a $400 TV is for Skyrim and ME3. I am waiting on baited breath. As soon as Christmas is over, I'm gonna want to skip the rest of winter and go straight to Spring!
Only $10 more?!believer258 said:
its £20 more here in the UK, which equates to $31 more ='(
Anyway im looking forward to it more than ive looked forward to any game ever.. so i just hope im not setting myself up for disapointment
I'm looking forward to it. It seems to have improved its gameplay (less stale, more customization options) for one. Seeing as its no longer a bridge between two games and the final game in shepard's storyline, I'm sure they'll be going all out in terms of story and characters (At least I hope so).
I don't give a shit about DA2 failing seeing as that was made by a completely different team. Besides, I'm looking for some good role-playing from Bioware nowadays, I look elsewhere when I am in need of some number chrunching. I mean shit, it's not like they've ever been good at the technical aspect of RPG's since KotoR.
I don't give a shit about DA2 failing seeing as that was made by a completely different team. Besides, I'm looking for some good role-playing from Bioware nowadays, I look elsewhere when I am in need of some number chrunching. I mean shit, it's not like they've ever been good at the technical aspect of RPG's since KotoR.
I really cannot fathom why when a game company makes a change to a game, people rattle off about how "They're not staying true to their fans!" Or "they're dumbing it down for people that aren't true fans of this!" or the always popular "It's just Halo/Call of Duty/ Gears of War/ some game where they have two things in common!" You know when it comes to things like this, I like to think of something that my father told me once. "When you're in business, trying to market to one group and only one group is pretty much the most stupid thing that you could ever do." Bioware may care about its fans, but you sound like you expect them to sit around doing as we please for all eternity, and man that just isn't going to happen. I'll have you know that in fact when it comes to my father he isn't interested about stories and such so I may be able to finally get him into the franchise with that mode. What I really don't get is why you seem to be under the impression that this is what Bioware is bellowing at the top of their lungs in an attempt to get the game attention when in reality we only know about this mode because of a leak, the main selling points seem to be other things, such as the ability to decide the fate of every single species in the freaking galaxy, that's what I'm focusing on.LordRoyal said:
And I know I know, the mere fact that this is in the game is an insult to your intelligence because someone thought that it was a good idea...if you honestly think that Bioware is expecting pratically all of their veteran fans to jump into that mode and not even bother with the RPG mode then your opinion of the company must be shockingly low. This is a way for them to real new people into the franchise while staying true to their longtime fans, everyone wins. Jesus you act like they put in the RPG mode as an afterthought when in reality they probably put in Shooter and Theater mode as an afterthought. And I know what you're going to say "Money and time that they put into this could've been put elsewhere," and if Bioware was finishing up the game at the last minute with their last cent, that would actually mean something. And you conclusion that the rest of the game is filled with bad choices because of that one little thing is biased and unfounded. That's like saying "Armor Lock in Halo Reach was a bad idea, therefore the rest of the game is filled with stupid decisions." It may be, it may not be, the thing is you don't really know beacuse you only looked at a small part of the game.
I'm not trying to change your opinion, I'm just pointing out you seem to be getting worked up over an ungodly trival issue, if this is really going to ruin the game for you...then fine, don't buy the game. I can assure you I won't lose sleep over it.
Also I never played Dragon Age, I don't really care about it, and from what I heard a different team devloped it anyway.
I look forward to Mass Effect 3.
I'm a huge fan of the first two games and played through both multiple times. Trying my best to avoid spoilers though. Now-a-days, I like to go into games (especially sequels to games) somewhat blind carrying only the knowledge I have from the past games.
I'm a huge fan of the first two games and played through both multiple times. Trying my best to avoid spoilers though. Now-a-days, I like to go into games (especially sequels to games) somewhat blind carrying only the knowledge I have from the past games.
Attempting to please everyone is already self defeating, that is what Bioware is attempting. I believe your misconstruing my words and adding unnecessary hyperbole to what I am saying.erttheking said:
I am only addressing the marketing portion of the game, not quality. I have not assessed a single part about the game's quality potentially, nor anything else. Mass Effect is attempting to be marketed to everyone at the same time.
Films do not do this, if you sit into a film pitch meeting they always state who their "Targeted Demographic" is. They have done this for almost a century, and films like Dramas are always marketed toward a specific group of people and not others, along with things like action films, romantic films etc. Games are very much the same way, and borrow much of their development focus from film production.
As to your conclusion that I don't know what the game's quality is based on because I am judging it on the one stupid decision that was made. Yes you caught me red handed, I am assuming that since the game is trying to be marketed to every single person I believed that it was going to be filled with gimmicky nonsense.
I don't believe you understand how games control budget. They try not to "use up every last cent" of budget. Whatever budget they have left over at the end they try and use for things that are actually useful and relevant. Like Bug testing and the like. A feature that allows you to completely skip one part of the game repeatedly requires a lot of testing because your removing a lot of code at the same time.
Again I stress that it's not so much the inclusion of the feature as much as it is the fact it was put into the game into the first place. It's obviously not the only thing that Bioware just put in because it would squeeze as much sales as physically possible, whilst also treating it's fans like they are livestock.
I end with a quote that Bill Cosby said that is still very true and relevant to the hubris of man.
"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody."
Call me crazy, but I don't think that an A.I. taking control of your character or the dialogue section being glazed over really takes that much out of a budget. You also said that when the game is done that they use what's left over to polish the game, again call me crazy but I'm sure that shooter and theater mode where born from that. Once again, the way that you're wording it you would think that Bioware was shouting this at the top of their lungs, but in reality we only learned about these things through a leak, so they're not really using this as their main marketing tactic. Also I'm pretty damn sure that Mass Effect isn't being marketed to everyone. Is it being marketed to puzzle fans? Sports fans? RTS fans? Sim fans? Flight combat fans? Guitar hero fans? No, it's marketing to two groups, RPG fans, and shooter fans, and I would like to point out that RPG elements and shooter elements have been a part of Mass Effect from the get go, the thing is not that everyone in those groups has bought the game for some reason or another. RPG fans because while the enjoy the story aspect, they don't like the combat of mass effect (I recall the ME1 combat being absolutely HORRIBLE, so I flipped the difficulty onto low and just blazed through it for the story, theater mode is just one more step in that direction. Shooter fans on the other hand may enjoy the combat sections of Mass Effect, but dislike the story (I recall on one of my play throughs of ME2, I was bored by the story that I had already heard and just clicked through the dialogue not even really listening to it, even on my first play through I found myself automatically heading to the Paragon/Renegade section without even really reading it in some cases, again, shooter mode is just one more step in that direction." Trying to please everyone is indeed the path to failure, but until Bioware does a complete 180 any suggestions that they are trying to do this will make me laugh, also there is a distance between trying to please everyone and expanding your audience. I enjoyed ME1's main story, but the combat was a freaking abomination. ME2 on the other hand I love to death, story, combat, characters, setting, I loved every last thing about it, in fact I'm convinced that ME2 actually improved the story and the game overall. I know that some people complain that it was shorter, but considering that half of the side quests in ME1 involved running around copy pasted bases and doing stuff I couldn't care less about, to me it's a matter of quantity vs quality.LordRoyal said:
"Treating it's fans like livestock"...screw it, I know a lost cause when I see one. If you have truly become so emotionally jaded that you believe that Bioware views it's customers as nothing more than cows to milk because of one tiny detail in a sea of information than I for one am sorry for you. Honestly, you think that they would stop making a beautiful story and a wonderful game because they care more about money? When was the last time that the ME team even hinted at that?
I would like to end with a quote of my own courtesy of Stephen Colbert
"Don't be afraid to be a fool. Remember, you cannot be both young and wise. Young people who pretend to be wise to the ways of the world are mostly just cynics. Cynicism masquerades as wisdom, but it is the farthest thing from it. Because cynics don't learn anything. Because cynicism is a self-imposed blindness, a rejection of the world because we are afraid it will hurt us or disappoint us. Cynics always say no. But saying yes begins things. Saying yes is how things grow. Saying yes leads to knowledge. 'Yes' is for young people. So for as long as you have the strength to, say yes."