Mass Effect Andromeda Will Have Witcher-Like Meaningful Side Quests
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They're gone. Those people work at other studios, are now indie developers or in the case of the old OLD guard, retired.Alma Mare said:
The Bioware everyone used to love? They're not there anymore. Now it's an EA machine. And I bought DA: I.
But let's be real- those days are over. Those days of meaningful gameplay and character development have given way to skinner-box grinding and checkbox spread-sheeting gameplay. And that's not a Mass Effect I want. Keep that shit to fantasy games- I want to explore the universe and sex any alien I want. Yes even the ones with no tentacles OR GENDER!
certainly good news. as long it is as it they say. i know i wont be getting it on day one and see what reviews have to say. but if they really do the witcher style of side quests, i will snatch it right away.
Numerically maybe. The point why so many people love Witcher 3's quests is that that wasn't what you were doing most of the time. Those repetitive quests you talk about take about 5 - 10 Minutes MAX to complete, some don't even take longer than 1 - 2 minutes. I was able to clean up nearly all of the question marks in the Witcher 3 by just doing them as I was on my way to my next bigger quest. They were less of a slew of boring content and more something to keep me interested while I was on the journey to other quests. What you DO spent most of your time doing in Witcher 3 was going through these fantastic quests with imaginative stories and interesting characters. That's why people love the Witcher 3 sidequests. Not because there wasn't any filler content in there, but because the filler content that was there was unintrusive and was heavily overshadowed by the fantastic non-filler content.Meiam said:
As far as I'm concerned that's really good news. It's still to be awaited how well they'll pull it off though.
Honestly, from the trailer, the "scanning" thing the main character was doing reminded me instantly off Geralt's witcher sense, so I'm not surprised to hear them say that officially.
I do hope that it's more than just that though. The witcher senses itself were rather tedious in TW3, it's the characters around the quests that make them interesting.
Honestly, from the trailer, the "scanning" thing the main character was doing reminded me instantly off Geralt's witcher sense, so I'm not surprised to hear them say that officially.
I do hope that it's more than just that though. The witcher senses itself were rather tedious in TW3, it's the characters around the quests that make them interesting.
The thing I took away from this report is that *BioWare* are aspiring to have their game be like The Witcher 3. That is that BioWare are not creating something new but borrowing from others.
I already saw the "investigations" in the trailer, which is straight out of Batman/Witcher. It looks more and more like ME:A is a mish-mash of many things that work in other AAA games, most likely heavily focus-tested. Ubisoft sandbox/stronghold elements, Witcher investigations/sidequests, generic 3rd person shooter combat. *sigh*. I just want a space opera RPG
I already saw the "investigations" in the trailer, which is straight out of Batman/Witcher. It looks more and more like ME:A is a mish-mash of many things that work in other AAA games, most likely heavily focus-tested. Ubisoft sandbox/stronghold elements, Witcher investigations/sidequests, generic 3rd person shooter combat. *sigh*. I just want a space opera RPG
How is that surprising though? Every time BioWare tries something new people seem to hate it.KingsGambit said:The thing I took away from this report is that *BioWare* are aspiring to have their game be like The Witcher 3. That is that BioWare are not creating something new but borrowing from others.
I already saw the "investigations" in the trailer, which is straight out of Batman/Witcher. It looks more and more like ME:A is a mish-mash of many things that work in other AAA games, most likely heavily focus-tested. Ubisoft sandbox/stronghold elements, Witcher investigations/sidequests, generic 3rd person shooter combat. *sigh*. I just want a space opera RPG
Can't blame them too much for just catering to the safe audience.
Oh I'm sorry I forgot that in Bioware land moral choices are called Blue, Red and Green.Nimcha said:
Silly me.
When talking about CDPR vs. Bioware, remember that Bioware has been making great story-driven games for longer than CDPR has even existed. The Witcher is a high bar to aim for, but then again, what Bioware needed was to realize that their most recent games aren't nearly as good as their classics, like the original Mass Effect, DA: Origins, Balder's Gate, and so on.
Having someone beat them at their own game could serve as a wake-up call. Maybe they truly have learned a lesson from their previous games and their imitator's better attempts at great, story-driven games.
Or maybe EA will do their usual thing and muck it up. Inquisition played like a corporate checklist; maybe this game will be different. Hopefully it will be different.
We've only got a few weeks to wait and see.
Having someone beat them at their own game could serve as a wake-up call. Maybe they truly have learned a lesson from their previous games and their imitator's better attempts at great, story-driven games.
Or maybe EA will do their usual thing and muck it up. Inquisition played like a corporate checklist; maybe this game will be different. Hopefully it will be different.
We've only got a few weeks to wait and see.
I say we really need to remind ourselves that its people who make games, not the name of the development team behind it.
(I can't be bothered to google and look into it but) if creative force behind Mass Effect 3 and the new game are different people, why not give them the chance?
I wish them luck nonetheless. I just finished Witcher3: Hearts of Stone 20 minutes ago and it reminds me how ambitious of a goal they're trying to reach here.
(I can't be bothered to google and look into it but) if creative force behind Mass Effect 3 and the new game are different people, why not give them the chance?
I wish them luck nonetheless. I just finished Witcher3: Hearts of Stone 20 minutes ago and it reminds me how ambitious of a goal they're trying to reach here.
As I said, I'd love to see Bioware pull it off, but I'm not holding my breath.fix-the-spade said:
not gonna lie little worried because while the witcher 3 was a good game the side quest were, to put it bluntly, stupid time wasting bullshit that was needed to beat the game. I like games that respect my time but tell a good story, I don't like games that have side quests that take 4 hours to do and are dam near mandatory to beat the game.
Well, it's going to be bigger, certainly. Better? I'm skeptical.Darth Rosenberg said:
Better... how? My hands-down favorite of the trilogy was Mass Effect 1, despite the horrible inventory system and Mako missions. The story was and remains unique to RPGs - a hard science fiction setting with a story that made sense. ME2 and ME3 were fun, but from a story perspective they were a huge disappointment, particularly ME2.
If it's the same writing team on ME:A (and I believe it is), I'm not holding out a lot of hope for a return to the franchise's roots. I'm sure we'll get great characters and beautiful locations... and a story that makes no sense and disintegrates into a steaming mess instead of reaching a satisfying conclusion.
You're the one arguing in bad faith(EDIT: a visit to wikipedia revealed that -i did not know what that meant. Apologies for an honest mistake). You assume that Nimcha had bad intentions. From where I sit it's possible that Nimcha thought the most important aspect of the ending was the lack of clearly game-defined morality in the ultimate choice. I haven't played any Bioware game but it is my understanding that they usually use strictly defined Good path/Bad path choices(Open palm vs. Closed Fist; Jedi vs. Sith). Having a game that actually has some ambiguity in its final choice can be compelling enough if hard coded moral choices is where you're coming from. I understand that a choose-an-ending-o-tron 3000 can be disappointing but if it is not a deal-breaker but having a strictly defined moral label on the choices would be then it is not bad faith to address that point.MC1980 said:
Thank you for clarifying. It was not obvious from fix-the-spade's original post.MC1980 said:
If the most important aspect is the lack of attributed morality in the choice then it wasn't a pointless tangent, and it refuted the crux of the argument. What Nimcha thought of the discussion is irrelevant, but I think you're reading too much into his/her posts.MC1980 said:
Regarding the point that choices only matter as much as they are able to show-case the result of the choices... yeah, that's the ideal scenario, and it's using the medium at it's strongest. However if the lore up to that point has been strong enough then the very little visual difference between the endings can be enough for the player to reflect upon his/her choices and consider what their entire adventure has lead them to choose and what their choice meant. That enough can carry enough meaning for it to be meaningful, regardless of the small differences. You might consider it cheating to claim that it's the player that has to derive meaning, but the meaning of the game itself is non-existant; all that has happened is that a whole bunch of ones and zeros has switched values.
This is a Bioware game right? MAss Effect.....let's see....yep still Bioware. That means this claim to "meaningful" side quest is nothing but hype bullshit. Bioware can tell some great main stories, but their side quest game is weak.