Matter /CAN/ be created!

[Truth Cake]

Subtract x from both sides.

9x = 9 (10x - x = 9x, 9.999rep - x (which was originally stated as = 0.999rep) = 9)

^ That's where you made your error, if you multiply X and the value of X in this equation by 10, that means there's 1 less '9' than in just X, infinity - 1 '9's, if that helps; so 10X-X (9X) would equal 0.000...1 in the infinity place, basically.

You're dealing with infinitesimals here, and of course by definition infinitesimals can't be measured, and so will lead to errors if you try to use them in equations.

In short, .999... does NOT = 1, OP is wrong.

 

[Zukhramm]

Classic trolls topic. Lock and delete as soon a possible.

 

[DaveMc]

Mattering cannot be created.

 

[Neyon]

.999 recurring =/= 1. However for mathematical purposes it is assumed to be since the difference is infinitely small. Whatever application it is being applied to the difference will always be too small to be significant.

 

[DEAD34345]

You haven't proven that 0.999rep = 1, what you've actually proven is that 1/3 does not equal 0.333rep. In our decimal number system 0.333rep is as close to 1/3 as we can write, but it still isn't actually the same as 1/3. There is an infinitely small difference between them.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Multiply both sides of the equation by 10

10x = 9.999rep

Fail Maths is Fail. You can't multiply an infinite by a finite.

 

[launchpadmcqwak]

math make brain feeling hurt...

 

[CAMDAWG]

2/3 != 6.6 rec
OP fails at maths.
6.67 = 2/3
6.6 rec is slightly less, never reaching 6.67

1. I think you mean 0.6 rec and 0.67, but that's not why you're wrong.

2. You are correct that 6.6 rec is slightly less than 6.67.

3. your primary point of 6.67=2/3 is completely wrong. as an exercise, try multiplying 6.67 by 3 for me. because it's not 2.

4. The OP does not, in fact, fail at maths, and, while making an irrelevant title, and being amazed at rather simple and well known maths (not really a criticism of the op, I was amazed the first time i saw this), is completely correct. You fail at maths, and you also fail at checking the depth of the water before you jump into a pool.

I suspect you're a troll, but I hate stuff like that, and didn't want to take the risk of you being genuine and your post remaining unaddressed.

 

[superstringz]

Ok, I'm going to try working this through.

.9 repeating can be expressed as

[color=red]for[/color] x == 1 , x < infinity, x++; {
y == 9/(10^x) + y;}

SO when x is one, y == .9, when x is 2, y == .99 and so on all the way to x == infinity.
This gives you .9 repeated.
Now for calculus

Lim x->infinity == 1 where y is the loop described above.
Lim (1) == 1 pretty self explanitory. Since 1 == 1
Lim x-> infinity == Lim (1) == 1.


They are, by value, identical and interchangeable.

 

[FalloutJack]

-MATH!-

Math is a complex attempt to develop an understanding of our surroundings in a concrete way using what knowledge of all things that we have. I'm not sure tricky equations proves that you can get something from nothing. Let someone experiment and test the idea and come up with something more conclusive. Who knows? Maybe there IS a cosmic loophole. The speed of light is not a constant, but a continual acceleration beyond what we thought to be true. However, it's not the numbers that are going to prove it. Math is...an attempt to fit the pieces we know, constantly having to evolve and change. I consider it incomplete for several reasons, like imaginery numbers.

 

[CaptainKarma]

Multiply both sides of the equation by 10

10x = 9.999rep

Fail Maths is Fail. You can't multiply an infinite by a finite.

What do you mean by "an infinite"? People multiply infinitely long numbers together all the time. Theres this thing called, Pi, you may have heard of it.

 

[Vigilante 989]

Alright, many of you have probably seen this before, but for those of you who haven't: get ready for some mathematical magic as I show you an old trick I learned back in highschool to algerbraeicly (spelling) prove that 0.999repeating actually = 1 by itself.

Start with x = 0.999rep

x = 0.999rep

Multiply both sides of the equation by 10

10x = 9.999rep

Subtract x from both sides.

9x = 9 (10x - x = 9x, 9.999rep - x (which was originally stated as = 0.999rep) = 9)

Divide both sides by 9

x = 1

You can also do this with fractions and logic.

1/3 as a fraction is equal to 0.333rep

2/3 as a fraction is equal to 0.666rep

3/3 as a fraction SHOULD equal 0.999rep....but as a fraction, having three thirds of something means you've got the whole thing, which equates to 1.



(on a side not...the Captcha required to post this contained the word "deleted" spelled backwards and upsidedown...what in god's name am I supposed to do there? (cycled through it) )

Alright hotshot, how do you go about creating matter?

 

[MaxwellEdison]

How does this show that matter can be created?
Crap thread is crap - seeing as you didn't even mention matter in your post, it looks like you just used a troll title to lure us all into a debate most of us have seen far too many times.

 

[6037084]

no shit matter can be created, you just need massive amounts of energy

 

[RJ 17]

Alright, many of you have probably seen this before, but for those of you who haven't: get ready for some mathematical magic as I show you an old trick I learned back in highschool to algerbraeicly (spelling) prove that 0.999repeating actually = 1 by itself.

Start with x = 0.999rep

x = 0.999rep

Multiply both sides of the equation by 10

10x = 9.999rep

Subtract x from both sides.

9x = 9 (10x - x = 9x, 9.999rep - x (which was originally stated as = 0.999rep) = 9)

Divide both sides by 9

x = 1

You can also do this with fractions and logic.

1/3 as a fraction is equal to 0.333rep

2/3 as a fraction is equal to 0.666rep

3/3 as a fraction SHOULD equal 0.999rep....but as a fraction, having three thirds of something means you've got the whole thing, which equates to 1.



(on a side not...the Captcha required to post this contained the word "deleted" spelled backwards and upsidedown...what in god's name am I supposed to do there? (cycled through it) )

Alright hotshot, how do you go about creating matter?

All I've done is shown the algebraic proof that 0.999rep = 1, the mystery lies in finding where that extra 0.(insert infinite string of 0's)1 comes from to bump all the 9's up to 10's thus making 0.999rep = 1. If we can figure out where that extra decimal comes from, we will have absolute control over the entire universe.

 

[Vigilante 989]

Alright, many of you have probably seen this before, but for those of you who haven't: get ready for some mathematical magic as I show you an old trick I learned back in highschool to algerbraeicly (spelling) prove that 0.999repeating actually = 1 by itself.

Start with x = 0.999rep

x = 0.999rep

Multiply both sides of the equation by 10

10x = 9.999rep

Subtract x from both sides.

9x = 9 (10x - x = 9x, 9.999rep - x (which was originally stated as = 0.999rep) = 9)

Divide both sides by 9

x = 1

You can also do this with fractions and logic.

1/3 as a fraction is equal to 0.333rep

2/3 as a fraction is equal to 0.666rep

3/3 as a fraction SHOULD equal 0.999rep....but as a fraction, having three thirds of something means you've got the whole thing, which equates to 1.



(on a side not...the Captcha required to post this contained the word "deleted" spelled backwards and upsidedown...what in god's name am I supposed to do there? (cycled through it) )

Alright hotshot, how do you go about creating matter?

All I've done is shown the algebraic proof that 0.999rep = 1, the mystery lies in finding where that extra 0.(insert infinite string of 0's)1 comes from to bump all the 9's up to 10's thus making 0.999rep = 1. If we can figure out where that extra decimal comes from, we will have absolute control over the entire universe.

With that type of control, I guarantee the human race will find away to royaly fuck it up.

 

[AngryMongoose]

That doesn't mean matter can be created though. It just means that .999 repeating is the same as 1.

But how can 0.999_ = 1 when 0.999_ is meant to represent a number infinitely close to 1 without actually being 1? Where does the extra 0.(insert infinite line of zeros)1 come from that bumps all the 9s ahead of it to 10s, thus making it 1?

0.0_1 = 0. Where did you get the idea that 0.9_ is infinitely close to 1 without being 1? If you want that number, write "1 - ε"

 

[RJ 17]

Alright, many of you have probably seen this before, but for those of you who haven't: get ready for some mathematical magic as I show you an old trick I learned back in highschool to algerbraeicly (spelling) prove that 0.999repeating actually = 1 by itself.

Start with x = 0.999rep

x = 0.999rep

Multiply both sides of the equation by 10

10x = 9.999rep

Subtract x from both sides.

9x = 9 (10x - x = 9x, 9.999rep - x (which was originally stated as = 0.999rep) = 9)

Divide both sides by 9

x = 1

You can also do this with fractions and logic.

1/3 as a fraction is equal to 0.333rep

2/3 as a fraction is equal to 0.666rep

3/3 as a fraction SHOULD equal 0.999rep....but as a fraction, having three thirds of something means you've got the whole thing, which equates to 1.



(on a side not...the Captcha required to post this contained the word "deleted" spelled backwards and upsidedown...what in god's name am I supposed to do there? (cycled through it) )

Alright hotshot, how do you go about creating matter?

All I've done is shown the algebraic proof that 0.999rep = 1, the mystery lies in finding where that extra 0.(insert infinite string of 0's)1 comes from to bump all the 9's up to 10's thus making 0.999rep = 1. If we can figure out where that extra decimal comes from, we will have absolute control over the entire universe.

With that type of control, I guarantee the human race will find away to royaly fuck it up.

Most likely. I hope I'm still around to watch us rip the universe a new one. :3

 

[Rblade]

That doesn't mean matter can be created though. It just means that .999 repeating is the same as 1.

But how can 0.999_ = 1 when 0.999_ is meant to represent a number infinitely close to 1 without actually being 1? Where does the extra 0.(insert infinite line of zeros)1 come from that bumps all the 9s ahead of it to 10s, thus making it 1?

right, .999_ != 1.0

but .333_ = 1/3 and .666_ = 2/3

1/3 + 2/3 = 3/3 = 1/1 = 1.0

also, a flaw in conceptual math does not prove that matter can be created.

exactly, our flawed understanding of infinity does not prove anything. It only proves we don't really get it. the first and second law of thermodynamics got you covered in material creation, math is a tool, created by man, so it's conventions are limited by our understanding.

saying math breaks any theory is like saying glass is indestructable because you only have cloth hammers. Had we better tools we would be able to break glass, but our tools are flawed.

 

[NightHawk21]

That doesn't mean matter can be created though. It just means that .999 repeating is the same as 1.

But how can 0.999_ = 1 when 0.999_ is meant to represent a number infinitely close to 1 without actually being 1? Where does the extra 0.(insert infinite line of zeros)1 come from that bumps all the 9s ahead of it to 10s, thus making it 1?

right, .999_ != 1.0

but .333_ = 1/3 and .666_ = 2/3

1/3 + 2/3 = 3/3 = 1/1 = 1.0

also, a flaw in conceptual math does not prove that matter can be created.

I'm fairly certain that 1/3 does not equal .33333 repeating since its not actually a third of 1. The thing is that drag it on for a while and it essentially acts like 1/3. Its the same reason its reasonable to approximate graphs with asymptotes for very large numbers as x=asymptote at very large x.