Max Payne 3: No Payne, No Gain

[AlexG223]

I couldn't agree more. This "sequel" is sounding more and more like the fallacies of the movie will take center stage. The movie had it's moment, namely the one spectacular scene featuring bullet time, but it tried to "re-imagine" multiple story elements that needed no re-imagining. Furthermore, it left out some of the most memorable moments of the 1st game. I feel that this "sequel" will fall into the exact same problems. It looks as if it will be a knock off of Resident Evil 5 (minus the zombies and the awesomeness).

 

[Distorted Stu]

This new Max Payne will ruin the series. I mean, no orgianl voice actors and hes fucking bald and John McCain looking. A big let down.

 

[teh_gunslinger]

I may give this a pass and pretend it all ended with the second game. I'm getting pretty good at ignoring canon in any case. All of the EU (save the 5 Zahn books) in Star Wars does not exist to me, nor does Anything Warcraft related after Beyond the Dark Portal. So ignoring MP3 should be relatively easy.

*Looks over at his Max Payne games and wonders if a wide screen patch for the second is available so he can replay it for the millionth time*

Edit: Oh, and whoever mentioned that this game will be for the new generation of gamers and not be targeted at the fans from back in the day... You make me despair with that. If the "new generation" can't relate to the originals then beat it. Don't ruin it just because the Pokemon generation is growing up. *sigh* I'll leave before I get over the line.

Edit 2: I didn't mean that said poster should beat it. Just that all the new gamers should.

 

[LordCraigus]

Initially the new design for Max looked interesting and unique, that was until I played the first two Max Payne games and got an idea of what they (and him) were about. Now, with all the changes mentioned I'm less than enthusiastic for MP3.

 

[Drakey]

An insert from someone who hasnt played any max payne EVER... Me Ive heard many of the praises for the games from good friends and customers, so I believe all you good people that they were simply awesome. Heres a general point of view of a possible bigger picture than Sequal = Cash.

Your hero DID get old. and his life has taken a strange turn that you DIDNT expect. Sorta how your life will ultimately lead. We all imagine that as we get older we'll just be wiser versions of our young action-filled selves, but thats only partly true. I firmly believe that our lives take some pretty messed up twists, when one day you look at your self and say 'Self, how in HELL did I end up here, amongst these people, and in this place?' And you answer 'Self, I have no friggin clue...'

It looks like its going to be a nice mind F**k, hopefully the direction the story takes in Max 3 is involving and makes the player stop and think something along the lines of 'Self, Did this story make any sense at all?'...

 

[Hashcurt]

it'll be interesting to see what they have done with it.

Payne ended on a bum deal in New York, everyone from his previous "case" had all kicked the bucket as he made "like Chow Yun Fat." His words.

They'll always be an outcry regardless of the omissions and concessions made, and i'll probably end up blowing money on this

 

[johnman]

So normally when sequels pop up we here cries of "milking", "beating a dead horse", and "same ole crap, different year", but when someone truly tries to make a sequel different and evolve a stagnant, aging franchise it's all of a sudden "too different" and "not Max Payne enough"...give me a break.

Its not milking a series when 2 game have been released in the past ten years, and neither of them were massive commercial successes. We just wanted more of the same because what it was was pure gold.
And the sequal was a massive improvement over the first in everyway, it was not milked ata ll.

 

[theultimateend]

Max Payne 3: No Payne, No Gain

When is a sequel not a sequel?

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When is a sequel not a sequel?

When it is Dawn of War II.

Not saying that game was bad, but saying it was a sequel would be like saying the Godzilla II for the NES was a sequel of Godzilla.

Which...they weren't.

Angry Nerd has a video on the topic for anyone who doesn't get the reference.

Basically for games like this they should just have the name of the 'genre' in smaller text and have a new name for the game.

At least Bungie didn't call Halo Wars, Halo 3 or Halo 4. It would have been basically the same idea.

Sorry...you are talking about max payne and I go off on a tangent of poorly named new games.

I may give this a pass and pretend it all ended with the second game. I'm getting pretty good at ignoring canon in any case. All of the EU (save the 5 Zahn books) in Star Wars does not exist to me, nor does Anything Warcraft related after Beyond the Dark Portal. So ignoring MP3 should be relatively easy.

*Looks over at his Max Payne games and wonders if a wide screen patch for the second is available so he can replay it for the millionth time*

Edit: Oh, and whoever mentioned that this game will be for the new generation of gamers and not be targeted at the fans from back in the day... You make me despair with that. If the "new generation" can't relate to the originals then beat it. Don't ruin it just because the Pokemon generation is growing up. *sigh* I'll leave before I get over the line.

Edit 2: I didn't mean that said poster should beat it. Just that all the new gamers should.

The Pokemon generation? Am I misunderstanding? Because last I knew Pokemon was older than Max Payne.

Or are you saying that the Pokemon generation is growing up so a new teeny bopper generation is in their place ruining everything?

I'm confused because I've been playing games since the Atari and I was quite easily part of the Pokemon Generation .

 

[shooshmashta]

Wow fatty, go gobble a few turkeys instead of bashing a company that has only brought you great games. instead of being a hater you should realize that this game has an on going story where characters develop and mature. Seeing Max Payne brought back as a war torn soldier is almost too fitting. the story behind this gaming novel will only seem to be more brutal and savvy that anyone can possibly imagine. i swear all reviews on this site may be independent and i applaud that but besides zero punctuation the reviews in this site are horrible! quit hating so much and start making pros and cons lists you morons!

 

[Sewblon]

I see... a man in a very expensive suit, beating a dead horse with his left hand, squeezing a stone for water with his right hand, and pumping a dry well with his little toe.

 

[Cixelsid]

Man, I already fell for this, pre-ordered the item on Amazon. Didn't bother to wait for any reviews... now I kinda wish I had.

 

[McShizzle]

Oh Max, what will they do to you. Perhaps instead of cashing in old IP's, the developers should invest that time and effort into something new. Hahaha, yeah right, that'll be the day. Why even call it Max Payne? Why not "Brazillian Bob: Rumble in Rio"? I'd bet it's so they can use a time slowing mechanism for the umpteenth time and get away with it. "Oh, guff guff guff, it's Max Payne so bullet time is fine, guff guff guff." They also get the credibility of the Max Payne name and they get to suck easy dollars out of the fans of the old games. Sad state of affairs how the games industry is turning into an unoriginal sequel mill. Sigh.

Also: Is that a Rickyism in the article? Trailer Park Boys FTW!

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

I have a love affair going on with max payne, so excuse the probablye high levels of fanboyism.

The second game ended with a message telling us that 'Max's journey into the night will continue'.

It implied at the very least that it would follow on directly from mp2, like before. It also implied that the same level of noir film type would continue, which from what I've seen this game is getting rid of.

I have no problem with a Max Payne sequel, but this feels more like a sequel to the sequel, they just forgot to make the actual Max Payne 3, where he finally gets fired, becomes a full blown alcoholic drug addict and spirals into depression leading into this game, which should be Max Payne 4.

What, did they run out of ideas? Max Payne has always run entirely on noir movie cliches, and that bucket was nowhere near dry.

 

[SandroTheMaster]

First off, yes, I'm Brazilian, but I have little else than absolute loathe for my country, so don't take what I say next the wrong way.

So, HOW IN THE GALLOWS AND HELL is a sequel to a game that's at best "cult" and at worse "complete commercial failure" a move to squeeze some money? Especially after making such bold changes of setting that could do nothing but displease the already diminute fanbase? When was the last time you heard Brazil is a sure-profit setting? All games, movies and books settled in Brazil were atrociously bad commercially and extremely inaccurate. As far as bizarro exotic interesting backwater places go, Brazil rates somewhere below Guam. A marketing specialist who recommended to change a franchise to Brazil should be sent to a madhouse or sued for actively trying to bankrupt the people he's working for.

As for the company change, I'll say the last GTA I enjoyed was GTA 3 vanilla, and liked better the GTA 2 anyway. But Bully was, for me, quite a good turn. Rockstar has some talent and I can only believe that straying away from GTA tie-ins will make some good for them.

Now, from what I got from Max Payne: I played both. The narration struck me because of the terrible psychological conflicts within Max's mind and how real, as a miserable character, Max was (it reminded me partially of Machado de Assis' books, the only Brazilian writer anyone will ever see me praise). The original game was made roughly 10 years ago, so it can really only be interesting to see a game that doesn't follow "comic book time" for a change. Time does pass on in Max's universe. That's a curious phenomena. How will this affect the gameplay? I have no idea. How this will affect the narration? In wonderful ways, if pulled through.

Now, while I've seem roughly 15 gross misconceptions about Brazil in what I've read about the sequel (and a few more just in these comments) I have to say Brazil fits. You know the favelas? I never go anywhere near one. For a goddamn reason. Now Max may have needed to scamp NY for a reason, or maybe he just thought he could, perhaps, get away from the tiring depressing job that is being a NY officer and going to what he thought was a paradise to live off of an easy well-paid job for his profile. If he was really at peace by the end of MP2, this fits. If nothing else, the change of setting will at least drive away the worst fanboys, so its a win-win situation.

 

[ShakerSilver]

I simply adored Max Payne and its sequel. The exciting gameplay, complex characters, the dark story line, the chilling atmosphere were something that I never before experienced in a game.

But when I saw the first screenshot, I was like "WHAT!! IT'S SUNNY!! IT'S NOT NEW YORK!! WHY IS MAX NOT IN A TRENCHCOAT!!"

I'm really bummed that the original writer (Sam Lake) is not working on it, and now it looks like a generic blood-filled shooter where you get to play as Carl from ATHF. I can't be really sure until we get to see the actual game. It should at least have the same sort of atmosphere and story, which is all that really maters.

And not bringing James McCaffrey back as the voice of Max Payne must surely be seen as blasphemous and unforgivable.

I'm imagining that the new voice actor will screw up the voice and he'll sound like Batman from the Dark Knight or something. lol

 

[SomeUnregPunk]

I think Dead to Rights ... the game that got it's inspiration from Max Payne is doing it the best way.

 

[Blackbird71]

An insert from someone who hasnt played any max payne EVER... Me Ive heard many of the praises for the games from good friends and customers, so I believe all you good people that they were simply awesome. Heres a general point of view of a possible bigger picture than Sequal = Cash.

Your hero DID get old. and his life has taken a strange turn that you DIDNT expect. Sorta how your life will ultimately lead. We all imagine that as we get older we'll just be wiser versions of our young action-filled selves, but thats only partly true. I firmly believe that our lives take some pretty messed up twists, when one day you look at your self and say 'Self, how in HELL did I end up here, amongst these people, and in this place?' And you answer 'Self, I have no friggin clue...'

While that may be realistic, the question is, "does it make for a good game?" Most people play games (or watch movies, read books, etc.) to get away from reality for a little while, not experience it all over again. Even more, the quetsion in this case should be "does it make for a good sequel to a known franchise with a very specific motif/theme/feel/atmosphere and a sort of classic iconic character?" The answer here should be obvious.

 

[yayforgiveaway]

Knowing my luck this is going to be like Supreme Commander 2. Taking something unique and ripping out everything that made it so great and dipping what's left in the TOTAL SHIT sauce.