It's cool that Disney can now include the X-Men in the MCU, but how exactly is that going to work? And I don't mean from a movie logic standpoint, I mean thematically. I mean, the whole point to the X-Men was that they were an (admittedly pretty bad) metaphor for racial prejudice, in which the average normal person hated them for the crime of being a mutant. But by this point, people in the MCU have gotten accustomed to genetically improved superhumans (Captain America, Spiderman, Black Panther), aliens (Skrulls), goddamn wizards, and the fact that apparently the one true faith is Norse Paganism and whatever the hell Wakandan's worship (like, an Egyptian goddess I think?). For shit's sake, this is a world where the Hulk, a gamma-radiation monster that can suplex a skyscraper to dust, can walk into a diner and not only will nobody care, they'll approach him for a selfie. And you expect me to believe the straw that'll break the camel's back for them is a slightly higher percentage of people who can do weird shit? I mean, are you really telling me that after seeing Thor fighting a bunch of Dark Elves in London during whatever the fuck the Convergence was, the thing that'll really put some random dude off is a disabled telepath in a wheelchair?
MCU and Mutants
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I don't get what they think they're doing with JJ. He only worked - and barely at that - in the god awful McGuire spiderman movies because A. there wasn't a larger MCU and B. Newspapers were a thing and the internet wasn't.trunkage said:
Pepper Potts can hold a press conference and clear Peter's name and decry Beck in 1min and it'd be over. Plus Beck had like 20 accomplices, all of whom have the Mysterio tech. Shield will pick them up and have everything squared away in no time. Feels like that was more a wink to fans than set-up for actual stuff in later Spiderman movies.
See, this is what happens when you crap Civil War right in the middle of the MCU for no reason other than a token-ass "lol rando bad guy made the good guys fight", bush league, Zack Snyder excuse, then immediately turn around and prove in basically the next movie why "Duh Serkervuh Ackerds" is not just stupid, but self-destructive and basically unenforceable without a global war. The entire point of CW in the comics wasn't that superheroes were some new, destructive force that needed to be regulated merely by dint of existing, but rather supers' existence had been normalized to the point they were running around doing whatever the hell they wanted, without regard for the consequences of their own actions.trunkage said:
I still firmly believe Serpent Society actually was supposed to be the third Cap movie, Disney torpedoed basically all of phase 3 just to shoehorn Spidey into a movie before Sony could back out of its agreement, and "lol we wanted to keep Civil War secret!" was a last-minute CYA.
He's like Alex Jones. Who literally doesn't listen to evidence and helped Trump get elected. Any press conferences will just 'prove' that the heroes are corrupt, just like the Dark Web keeps 'proving' that liberal are the real facists and racistsSilentpony said:
But like the whole #PizzaGate thing. So there was an international Jewish child rape ring run from the basement of a Commit Ping Pong Pizza Place, based on the evidence that A. there actually wasn't a basement to the place and B...Bill and Steven emailed saying "Hey wanna get Pizza?" " Sure, lets get pizza" and the JJ of the world went "Well obviously PIZZA means Pedophilia Incredible Zebra Zone AssHole, 'cause obviously its Hillary rapes African animals in the ass"trunkage said:
My point being Alex Jones is a Fox Molder in real life. No one worth listening to thinks its real
Even casting the MCU aside, there's always been an issue with the X-Men for me in their context. Not just because they're a poor attempt at having stand-ins for marganalized groups, but they're living in a world where superpowers are the norm. Like, what, people love the Fantastic 4 but fear Wolverine? Granted, there's an argument to be made in that the mutants are considered a distinct species, one that could supplant humanity (ala humans and Neanderthals), but I figure if you were going to do the X-Men, have them in their own setting, not a "lots of people have powers, but we hate this group that has powers, while loving other groups that have powers - mutants drool, Avengers rule!"
Gah.
That aside, I have no desire for the X-Men in the MCU. I nearly got two decades of X-Men movies of varying quality, I don't need another batch. If Disney wants to use Fox's properties, least try Fantastic 4 before the damn muties. And if they do fit them in...honestly, I don't even know how. As you point out, this is a world where weird shit has been part and parcel since 2008, you really think muties are going to set the world on fire?
Gah.
That aside, I have no desire for the X-Men in the MCU. I nearly got two decades of X-Men movies of varying quality, I don't need another batch. If Disney wants to use Fox's properties, least try Fantastic 4 before the damn muties. And if they do fit them in...honestly, I don't even know how. As you point out, this is a world where weird shit has been part and parcel since 2008, you really think muties are going to set the world on fire?
Technically, only a few people have.bz316 said:
I'd actually guess that a lot of people would take it as proof of paganism being false. Like, "okay, we know for sure that the Norse faith was based on real individuals, but that doesn't rule out a higher power." If anything, I think in the MCU, the chitauri invading New York would do more damage to Abrahamic faiths than anything else.
Eh, do people watch the MCU or X-Men films for consistency, social commentary, or anything other than lots of CGI and bad one-liners?
I'm sure Nick Fury can handwave any inconsistency ever with some bullshit line. Don't think too much about it.
The guy has been dropping spoilers in other post, dont nnow if he is doing it on purpose like an ass, or is clearly clueless cause he thinks everyone saw the movie in 2 dayserttheking said:
Okay, straight talk, what the fuck is there to spoil? It's capeshit. Name one surprise or twist ending in the entirety of the MCU to date that was neither horribly telegraphed nor predicated based upon comic storylines and/or actors' contractual status. The closest thing to it so far, is Captain America made out with his own niece, and fans are still in the denial and bargaining phase of that shit.sonofliber said:
It's men and women in tights dancing around on wires in front of green screens, not goddamn Citizen Kane. Chill.
Seriously?Kwak said:
I didn't know that. Ok, not that I care about the MCU, but...huh. Didn't see that coming.Eacaraxe said:
Well.. depending on how much influence they take from the comics....
In the latest Uncanny X-Men, Emma Frost, with the help of Mr Sinister and a couple of other characters I didn't recognise, did something with cerebro and brain surgery that wiped the idea of mutants from the mind of every non-mutant on the planet.
Collective amnesia is a fairly cliche, lazy and generic way to do things, but perhaps that'll be a jumping off point for mutants suddenly showing up in the MCU?
Collective amnesia is a fairly cliche, lazy and generic way to do things, but perhaps that'll be a jumping off point for mutants suddenly showing up in the MCU?
Eh, might work. Of all the characters in the MCU which of them was actually born with their powers? Because really its only Thor who has innate, inborn powers and thats because he's not human so they're not really powers from his point of view. Pretty much all of them only became super due to science, be it accidents or deliberate experimentation. They're less mutants and more like...paralympians I guess? People who have taken adversity thats affected them at some point in life and just ploughed through it to better themselves. To have people suddenly born with powers, capable of spectacular things without doing anything to "earn" it? Millennials already get shit for apparently wanting something for nothing, and we just want houses and proper wages, no super powers involved