To summarize, in case the wiki isn't clear. The Prothean VI(or the starchild, I can't remember which) states that every race that has fallen to the reapers has found the plans to the Crucible, and every single one of them improved upon its design.
WHICH MAKES NO SENSE. How do you improve upon a device if you don't what its supposed to do? And for that matter, who originally designed the Crucible? Did they intend for it to do what it did? How did it go through thousands of tweakings to it's design without losing its original function?
Actually it does make sense, the races in the cycles before likely figured out its use too late to finish it themselves, but wanted to give those in the next cycle the best chance of defeating the reapers and by looking thoroughly through the designs they must have found flaws in the design, or upgraded/different technologies could simplify processes that would have had more failure points, it's a bit like wiring circuitry.
As for the OP, I'm moderately optimistic for the DLC
But the current cycle had no idea what it did until they pressed the power button, and they actually had the time to build the entire thing. And it's explicitly stated throughout the series that the Reapers left technology behind to ensure every cycle developed the same technology at roughly the same rate, so there's little sense in another species both figuring out what it did and being able to improve upon the design before they were able to build it to completion.
And they can't have built it to completion, because even if the Crucible isn't built right, its still shown that it destroys all of the Mass Relays when activated.
Needs a conversation with Harbinger, full stop. I was sorely disappointed that he didn't have a single line in the whole game. I was fully expecting to hear him speak at the end...didn't utter a single syllable. :/
Hell, I was expecting a full-on mission inside his frame in which the squad violently rips apart every exposed wire they can find before coming face to face with a horrible, incomprehensible, twisted eldritch abomination from when time was young that is harbinger's core
(such as http://i47.tinypic.com/6eky77.png, only less human, more horrifying nightmare creature).
Fuck what people said about the human reaper and Saren, I loved Bioware's boss fights :*(
ruthaford_jive said:
Yeah. I picked blue... but it made the most sense to me given what endings we had at the time. Destroying all synthetic stuff would pretty much cripple civilization given how much its relied upon and the green option just seems silly. Within the context of indoctrination though, the red seems the most obvious choice.
Will it be good? To some
Will it suck? To the majority (or vocal minority, whatever you want to call us)
Will it deliver as promised?Never trust what Casey promises. LOL fools.
Will it add even more layers of obscurity to something that's already nigh impossible to comprehend? Probably.
Will it provide adequate explanations for things now? Doubtful
Or will we simply be subjected to more cases of "lolspacemagic"? I know I will.
I have pretty strong opinions about the ending. The extended cut is a good idea; I am glad they are working with fans. However, it just seems that the utter disregard for what the first game established bit the franchise in the ass. A proper conclusion could only have been done by the original author. What if Stephenie Meyer wrote the conclusion to LotR trilogy, rather than Tolkein? You get my drift.
Being a person that just finished ME2 recently and haven't picked up ME3 yet I haven't payed too much attention to this whole MacGuffin but I'm hoping it'll be good for when I do start playing it.
It took me a long time to figure out what your avatar was. Then I felt really stupid.
OT: I'm hoping that there is no internet rage about it. Seriously I got sick of going to websites only to see "OMG Mass Effect 3's ending is totally crap" thread topics. I'm hoping thats not too much to ask.
It will do what it says it does: Add 10 minutes of clarification and closure per playthrough.
From what I've seen, it will rely on weak scripts to get this done, such as
Hackett ordering the fleet to fall back to the "Rendevous" point, seeing as he somehow knows the Crucible is armed, and it would seem Joker just complies - which is the exact opposite attitude to what he has in ME2 if you let Shepard die.
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Predictions:
None of the space magic will be fixed. No option to refuse the Starchild's claims will be added. Barely any additional display of War Assets in Priority: Earth will be fixed.
None of the big problems with the ending will be fixed. It will be the same sh***y choices, same sh***y Catalyst and same sh***y ending.
Not much is going to change. I'm honestly not seeing this fixing much.
Why? This is one of the complains that I don't really get. Do you think it didn't occur to most of those ships that it was probably a one way trip? I mean, yeah, it's not a one-way trip in the way they were probably expecting, but I don't understand why the concept of "You were a big damn hero, now you get to starve to death" is such a problem with people.
Why? This is one of the complains that I don't really get. Do you think it didn't occur to most of those ships that it was probably a one way trip? I mean, yeah, it's not a one-way trip in the way they were probably expecting, but I don't understand why the concept of "You were a big damn hero, now you get to starve to death" is such a problem with people.
It's rather simple, really. Turians and quarians die to starvation first. Later, krogans eat everyone that's left over. Humans get extinct, but other races at least had some folks left back on their home planets.
I mean, who needs a historical account *snicker*
Or the aborted dark matter arc becomes the second deus ex machina, I dunno.
Why? This is one of the complains that I don't really get. Do you think it didn't occur to most of those ships that it was probably a one way trip? I mean, yeah, it's not a one-way trip in the way they were probably expecting, but I don't understand why the concept of "You were a big damn hero, now you get to starve to death" is such a problem with people.
Oh, I thought you were talking about the lying star child.
In that case, no, is one of the biggest plot holes in the whole ending.
Spoilers to follow.
Ok, so Wrex talks about having a family and how Shepherd will mean 'hero' in Kroganese. Or something.
He even says this while on Earth, in a positive tone, meaning he wasn't planning to hang around there forever.
Also, the whole Migrant Fleet goes to Earth. Or at least the vast majority of Quarian ships and, as we've established, are where they all live[footnote]Granted, you could argue that civilian populations remained on their home world (if that option was taken) but since that's never mentioned it can only be a hypothesis[/footnote].
This is also ignoring that none of the leaders ever mention or call this a 'one way trip'. Other than expecting casualties from the final engagement, I don't think anyone would have signed up to starve to death in orbit around a war torn planet.
Anyway, I don't think the fleets would be 'brothers in arms' for long when they find out there's no food. Especially the Turians and Quarians.
Why? This is one of the complains that I don't really get. Do you think it didn't occur to most of those ships that it was probably a one way trip? I mean, yeah, it's not a one-way trip in the way they were probably expecting, but I don't understand why the concept of "You were a big damn hero, now you get to starve to death" is such a problem with people.
Oh, I thought you were talking about the lying star child.
In that case, no, is one of the biggest plot holes in the whole ending.
Spoilers to follow.
Ok, so Wrex talks about having a family and how Shepherd will mean 'hero' in Kroganese. Or something.
He even says this while on Earth, in a positive tone, meaning he wasn't planning to hang around there forever.
Also, the whole Migrant Fleet goes to Earth. Or at least the vast majority of Quarian ships and, as we've established, are where they all live[footnote]Granted, you could argue that civilian populations remained on their home world (if that option was taken) but since that's never mentioned it can only be a hypothesis[/footnote].
This is also ignoring that none of the leaders ever mention or call this a 'one way trip'. Other than expecting casualties from the final engagement, I don't think anyone would have signed up to starve to death in orbit around a war torn planet.
Anyway, I don't think the fleets would be 'brothers in arms' for long when they find out there's no food. Especially the Turians and Quarians.
I'm not sure that you understand what a plot hole is. A plot hole is an inconsistency in the story or an omission of some sort. An example would be Batman Begins, where they use a microwave to boil all the water in Gotham to release nerve gas into the air. But the human body is mostly water, so why didn't it cook everyone in the city if it was powerful enough to rupture water mains?
What you described above isn't inconsistent with anything, it's just unfortunate. They all went to earth and now it seems like they got stranded there unwillingly. That certainly sucks for them, and it probably has some very dire implications, but it's not a plot hole.
What you described above isn't inconsistent with anything, it's just unfortunate. They all went to earth and now it seems like they got stranded there unwillingly. That certainly sucks for them, and it probably has some very dire implications, but it's not a plot hole.
Not a plot hole, but definitely a loose thread. A thing like that can be pulled in the middle of a trilogy quite easily, but at the end, it's just a nasty cliffhanger and people will accuse the writer of being lazy whether it was an intentional "fill out your own future" thing or not.
It's sort of like a "Bolivian army ending" in one of those movies. The story doesn't "end", it "stops".
I expect two things from it: Jack and Shit, and Jack just left town...
Seriously though, Bioware has already stated that it won't be new endings or "fixed" endings, it'll just provide more info on what happened to your squad. However, I doubt it'll beparticularly interesting, impactful or in any way engaging. For it to be anything but pointless crap they'd have to take into account the various possible combinations or dead and alive characters, romances, relationships between the characters, endings of individual story arcs AND THEN do three version of all of them, one for each ending. Or at least two versions, one for the synthesis ending and one for the other two.
However, this is Bioware we're talking about, the company with a pathological fear of redundant or skipped content. They won't provide closure for the various possible story combinations. They'll provide some vague crap without any emotional weight or plot significance. At least that's what I'm expecting...
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