ME3...What RPG Elements Got Cut Exactly?
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I've got about 14 hours in the game by now, and the game feels like a mix between the best parts of the first two games. The new dialogue system took some getting used to, but I warmed up to it when I realized you never really had much choice in what Shepard said in the first two games anyway. Hell in the first game, all three dialogue choices would usually have Shepard say the same thing, just giving him Paragon/Renegade points depending if you picked the top or bottom response.
Dialogue choice gripes aside, the character interactions are amazing in this game. It really makes everything feel very personal. Like when I went to the Citadel and met with
Seriously, the writing so far in this is phenomenal... I don't understand where the complaints are coming from. It actually feels like the whole galaxy is just completely crumbling around me, and the only thing I can do is just keep pushing forward and hope I don't get everyone I care about killed. I also like that Shepard(well paragon at least)actually shows some actual emotion in this game!
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I'd also like to add, that the Citadel is freaking beautiful.
Dialogue choice gripes aside, the character interactions are amazing in this game. It really makes everything feel very personal. Like when I went to the Citadel and met with
Kelly Chambers... I asked her to come back to the Normandy, and she wanted to be with Shepard again, but she was too psychologically scarred from the Collector abduction to step foot on the Normandy again. And it actually made me hate the Reapers and want to stop them.
Seriously, the writing so far in this is phenomenal... I don't understand where the complaints are coming from. It actually feels like the whole galaxy is just completely crumbling around me, and the only thing I can do is just keep pushing forward and hope I don't get everyone I care about killed. I also like that Shepard(well paragon at least)actually shows some actual emotion in this game!
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I'd also like to add, that the Citadel is freaking beautiful.
If you need to ask.........
Mass effect 2 cut a lot of the RPG elements out, it's still a RPG but it's more of a RPG shooter hybrid.
It's got more RPG than most shooter but also more shooter than RPG. It's a fun experiance but not as great as everyone is making it out to be.
Mass effect 2 cut a lot of the RPG elements out, it's still a RPG but it's more of a RPG shooter hybrid.
It's got more RPG than most shooter but also more shooter than RPG. It's a fun experiance but not as great as everyone is making it out to be.
You see, you say that yet I found ME1 to be a more fun game. I didn't care about the combat much at all and actully found myself enjoying the ME1 combat quite a bit. It wasn't that great but I enjoyed it as more of an addition to the game rather than the main focus.Draech said:
Yes it was broken, yes it was awkward, I still enjoyed it and im guessing that several other people did too.
I have no problem with them changing the game to have better combat and to focus on it more, especially since it will make them more popular but I wish people would stop going on about how ME1 was inferior in every way possible.
No it wasn't. It may have been to most people but there are still those who enjoyed it more than the path they started taking the series down. It was inferior in the way most people compare it, however it wasn't just inferior in every way, there were many parts of it in which they simply took a different approach to ME2.
Your missing the point. The combat in ME2 was supirior to ME1 in pretty much every way. Im not disputing that. The only things I liked better in the first game were being able to use one ability without initating a global cooldown and have guns that overheated rather than needing to reload, even then it's more a matter of opinion.Draech said:
Im not sure how to explain. I just liked the first game better. Outside of combat I liked pretty much everything better. ME2 added those Paragon and Renegade interruption things that I enjoyed but other than that I much preferred the first game.
I suppose it just had more to it. The second game was pretty much just spent recruiting party members for one mission and I felt it lost some of the atmosphere that I liked in ME1 for a lot of the places in 2.
Im not sure, I just know that I preffered the first game as it seemed more of an RPG with shooter elements as opposed to the second game which seemed like a shooter with RPG elements.
It's been a while since I played either of them so I can't really think of direct examples but I enjoyed the first one more.
Also the second game. All of dat DLC -_- damn it EA.
Also I swear if anyone breaks out the "Oh it's optional" line, im going to rage.
hey! I loved the first game, it was Kotor in space. I even beat it 5 times in a row over the course of a couple weeks to get all the achievements. although the elevator scenes made me want to gouge my eyes out, especially the ones on the normandy.boag said:
ME2 was alright, the set pieces were much more interesting and I liked the new characters and expanded story. However the RPG elements in ME2 were kind of a joke, for the most part there were only a couple skills and a couple ranks of each Not exactly the most compelling RPG experience.
ME3 looks like they added more, or at least the skills seem to have more depth than they did in 2. I haven't picked up a copy yet though and only played the demo once but those are my first impressions
I think the main issue that long time Bioware/RPG fans complain about is the amount of time they spent making the combat better in order to appeal to a wider audience and all that jazz (Hold on I'm going somewhere with this).
Now see this time could have been spent on the RPG side of things, but instead they gave it the basic coating of RPG flavour, and gave you as many running and gunning sections as possible to emphasise the work they put into combat mechanics.
I personally loved the sheer exploration in Mass Effect 1, I loved the complicated dialogue, I loved driving around on an alien plant after searching a solar system for minerals, I loved chatting with NPC's who mostly had interesting stories and opinions and sometimes side quests.
I know that all of the above wasn't 'cut out', but instead of building on top of it, they just copied most of it into the next two games and concentrated on making a tactical shooter next to it.
Too long, dear reader? They changed the Meta game too much from Mass Effect 1, and people got pissed.
Now see this time could have been spent on the RPG side of things, but instead they gave it the basic coating of RPG flavour, and gave you as many running and gunning sections as possible to emphasise the work they put into combat mechanics.
I personally loved the sheer exploration in Mass Effect 1, I loved the complicated dialogue, I loved driving around on an alien plant after searching a solar system for minerals, I loved chatting with NPC's who mostly had interesting stories and opinions and sometimes side quests.
I know that all of the above wasn't 'cut out', but instead of building on top of it, they just copied most of it into the next two games and concentrated on making a tactical shooter next to it.
Too long, dear reader? They changed the Meta game too much from Mass Effect 1, and people got pissed.
Actually, they added everything good about the first mass effect to the mechanics of the second mass effect, and just removed most of the pointless "neutral" dialogue from conversations.
Overall, just completing the game for the first time on my female Shepard me2 cross-over (Hale's VA went up a good notch in this game, for sure), the only thing I could really say I am disappointed about with the game at all is the endings (as in, the final choices, not the Earth stuff before that) and the lack of an epilogue before/after the credits like in DA:O.Edit: Okay, honestly, the final cutscene(s) (think: Deux Ex) are the worst part(s) of the game and as not to spoiler.. honestly don't make much sense to be executed in the continuity of everything else that has occurred in the series/plot of the third game itself at all. It really doesn't live up to and tie up the shining plotline that comes before it, which really does irk me.
Oh, and also: Charge/Nova combo maxed for the fucking win.
Overall, just completing the game for the first time on my female Shepard me2 cross-over (Hale's VA went up a good notch in this game, for sure), the only thing I could really say I am disappointed about with the game at all is the endings (as in, the final choices, not the Earth stuff before that) and the lack of an epilogue before/after the credits like in DA:O.Edit: Okay, honestly, the final cutscene(s) (think: Deux Ex) are the worst part(s) of the game and as not to spoiler.. honestly don't make much sense to be executed in the continuity of everything else that has occurred in the series/plot of the third game itself at all. It really doesn't live up to and tie up the shining plotline that comes before it, which really does irk me.
Oh, and also: Charge/Nova combo maxed for the fucking win.
I dont like when people use the Term RPG elements in context of the skill system because it leads to incredibly confusing conversations.Limecake said:
I tends to skew the idea that an RPG is supposed to be only number and statistic crunching, and I dont find this to be true.
add to that the "Decontamination in progress"Dandark said:I did. I can still go back to the first one and have fun replaying it and enjoy it quite a bit. Im wishing I had it on PC so that I could get mods for it but no big deal. One part of the first one that did get improved however.boag said:
Elevators.
This calls for a high five!Dasick said:And yet there were lots more weapon models, mods and skills in ME1.
Yeah, I know, it was either broken or bland. But the system in place allowed for much more depth and variety if properly calibrated (Garrus knows what I'm talking about).
Your character gives the "neutral" and "investigate" (save a few major plot point ones) dialogue options that would normally be there as auto-dialogue instead. Which, quite frankly, is much more efficient than having to having to work your way through a redundant six pronged tree of options like you did in the first two games to hear the exact same thing.linwolf said:
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