slash2x said:
masticina said:
Americans are SORE losers...
Very SORE losers
Yeah we really are [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki]
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Wow... Just WOW... "Hey you there fishing in that lake without a license!!!! We do not know where you live so we will burn every house and boat next to or on the lake!!!! OK lets take a look... Innocent,Innocent,Innocent,Innocent..... YEAH WE GOT THE GUY BREAKING THE LAW TOO!!!!!"
Our legal system is so fucking retarded... Next thing you know we will be arresting people for buying water that looks like it is in a beer box....... Awww shit.
I'll probably be crucified for this, but the Hiroshima/Nagasaki attack was actually pretty defendable. Some people have claimed that the Japanese wanted to surrender, but that's been pretty much debunked. The Japanese military was prepared to fight to the end. If the United States had invaded the nation, an estimated 3 million people would have died, as opposed to the 300,000 that died from the blast. More people died in the firebombing campaign of the Japanese capital than died in the atomic blast, the same fire bombing campaigns that had leveled half of Europe. If that campaign had continued, the results would have been far more deadly. The fire bombings just don't have the psychological affects of a nuclear weapon. We also warned the Japanese of out intentions (though we didn't list specific targets).
Keep in mind that the Japanese military basically asked for this. No, I'm not talking about Pearl Harbor, though it was foolish of them to involve another nation in the conflict. Japan seemed to think war with the U.S. was inevitable, when it was not a foregone conclusion. Instead I'm referring to the Japanese war crimes against the Chinese, war crimes so brutal that they put the Nazis to shame. I won't even hint at the horrors committed, but if you want to know more, read The Rape of Nanking for a more detailed account.
Therefore the Japanese refused an unconditional surrender, an attack on mainland Japan would have cost more lives on both sides, and the Japanese had committed horrible atrocities against their enemies. I'm not saying they "deserved" it, but they definitely put themselves in a position where there was almost no other option. Several million deaths is worse than several hundred thousand, and I feel that the event gets undue publicity due to it being the only time that nuclear weapons have ever been used. How many people died in the bombing in Europe? Far more, but people seem to think that it was more justified, so we forget about it.
I think the real villain was the Japanese military, and it's still a tragedy that civilians died in the attack. The U.S. wasn't sinless either, don't get me wrong. We imprisoned the entire Japanese American population due to racism and committed other terrible crimes as well, so we weren't saints. I just don't believe, at that point, that there was another viable option. It's also strange that far worse war crimes were committed by both the Axis and the Allies, but most people seem to forget about them.
