Megaupload Judge Calls U.S. "The Enemy"

Andy Chalk

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Megaupload Judge Calls U.S. "The Enemy"


The judge presiding over Kim Dotcom's case in New Zealand says the United States is "the enemy."

The copyright infringement case against Megaupload founder Kit Dotcom has seen more than its fair share of twists and turns, as what appeared at first as a fait accompli has turned into a serious struggle for the United States government. New Zealand judges have since ruled that the raid on Dotcom's home was pushed back [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/118155-Judge-Rules-Megaupload-Raid-Illegal] into 2013 to give Dotcom's lawyers adequate time to prepare his defense.

And now it turns out that one judge on the case has an interest in the future of his country's intellectual property laws that goes way beyond just this one particular matter. Judge David Harvey, who ordered the disclosure of evidence to Megaupload lawyers in May, told a recent meeting of the "A Fair Deal [http://fairdeal.net.nz/]" coalition that the Trans-Pacific Partnership free trade pact currently being negotiated by New Zealand, the U.S., Australia and other Pacific Rim nations would have a very real effect on the everyday lives of New Zealanders.

The U.S. is pushing hard for New Zealand's intellectual property laws to be changed to conform with its own, something A Fair Deal opposes. As a specific example, Harvey said that if the New Zealand government caves to U.S. demands, region-free DVD players which are currently legal in the country would be made illegal.

"Under TPP and the American Digital Millennium copyright provisions you will not be able to do that, that will be prohibited... if you do you will be a criminal - that's what will happen," Harvey told his audience. "If I could use [journalist] Russell [Brown's] tweet from earlier on: we have met the enemy and he is [the] U.S."

It's not too difficult to see a bit of potentially troubling bias in the statement but Bill Hodge, a professor of law at Auckland University, said that while the comment may appear "unhelpful," it isn't necessarily inappropriate.

"It was part of a quasi-academic conference discussing developing areas of law," he said. "I think judges should be free to make comments, as long as it doesn't appear to show any predetermination with respect to the specific case in the court before them."

Along with his duties as a District Court Judge, Harvey is also a members of the advisory board of NetHui, a three-day conference dealing with "internet issues" in New Zealand, serves as a consultant editor for Butterworths Electronic Business and Technology Law and is a member of the Editorial Board for Butterworths Technology Law Forum. He is also a part-time lecturer at the University of Auckland, where he teaches "Law and Information Technology."

Source: New Zealand Herald [http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10819927]


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Albino Boo

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Oh well whatever the outcome of this current case, the US has got an instant grounds for appeal. This guy shooting his mouth off in public about the US being the enemy is going to be a clear case of bias against one of the parties involved. The guy is an idiot, if he kept his mouth shut and merely thought it, there wouldn't be a thing the US could do.
 

cynicalsaint1

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Psht! If we can't have region free DVD players due to our government being controlled by corperation-fueled lobbyists no one can!
 

Neofishie

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It's a strange world when good news comes in the form of foreign judges calling the government of my country "the enemy." Good to see someone taking a stand against my government throwing elbows trying to get what it wants.

As Three Dog says "Keep fightin' the good fight."
 

RaikuFA

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I'm a very patriotic man, but this case US IS the bad guy.

I hope Dotcom wins this.
 

algalon

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FREEDOM! From US oppression. I always though that I should move to Canada just as soon as I can afford it (yea right), but maybe I should go to New Zealand instead.
 

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This just in, United States plans affirmative action against New Zealand for the harbouring of international terrorate Kit Dotcom and the illegal stockpiles of Weapons of Mass Duplication.

Keep it up NZ, about time someone took a stand against the bought out politicians of the west.
 

Major_Tom

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Go Kiwis!
This article reminded me that I need to find the guy who invented region-locking and extract his kidneys with rusty scissors.
 

felixader

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albino boo said:
Oh well whatever the outcome of this current case, the US has got an instant grounds for appeal. This guy shooting his mouth off in public about the US being the enemy is going to be a clear case of bias against one of the parties involved. The guy is an idiot, if he kept his mouth shut and merely thought it, there wouldn't be a thing the US could do.
Of course he is biased! He is caring for the poeple of his country!
And i actually think it is good that he overdid it with his comment putting a clear exclamation mark on the facts of this case.
 

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Yeah, here's hoping the US doesn't fuck over more of the rest of the world by forcing another trade deal down their throats.
 

NZpablo

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hopefully the "internet issues" being discussed include the fact that in NZ we have rubbish over-priced internet
 

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Who do we call the enemy, my children, my children?
Who do we call the enemy?

I like this. It was pretty obvious that the only way the US could win this case was getting a judge who was either biased or ignorant about the series of pipes, and they got the exact opposite of both those things.
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
Outlawing region-free DVD players? This means WAR!

Seriously though, would one of you foreign countries PLEASE stand-up to our government? I assure those of us with working brains view it with just as much contempt as you do.
agreed, some country really needs to stand against our copyright laws which are so completely unfair as to be an intellectual war crime. As for region free players thats just how they all should be and to do otherwise should be considered a unfair trade practice and banned.
 

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albino boo said:
Oh well whatever the outcome of this current case, the US has got an instant grounds for appeal. This guy shooting his mouth off in public about the US being the enemy is going to be a clear case of bias against one of the parties involved. The guy is an idiot, if he kept his mouth shut and merely thought it, there wouldn't be a thing the US could do.
Ha if that is enough for to appeal then the piratebay would have won their appeal as well
considering how much bias the prosecutors and judges had in that trial

some examples of bias
"In mid 2008 after the indictment had been served, it was discovered that the main police investigator in the preliminary investigation had started working for one of the plaintiffs, Warner Brothers, before the date of the indictment"

"Only days before the trial began, one of the three appointed lay judges was discovered to be a member of a composers' association that among others works on protecting copyright"

"In the aftermath of the trial, presiding judge Tomas Norström, the same judge that ordered the 2006 raid on The Pirate Bay's servers, came under scrutiny after allegations of bias. Sveriges Radio P3 News organized an investigation that found on April 23 that Norström had several engagements with organisations interested in intellectual property issues"

"Norström however also sits in the board of the Swedish Association for the Protection of Industrial Property,[96] which along with the SFU are the Swedish branches of International Association for the Protection of Industrial Property (AIPPI) and Association littéraire et artistique internationale (ALAI). AIPPI's website states that "the objective of AIPPI is to improve and promote the protection of intellectual property on both an international and national basis","

and there is much more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pirate_Bay_trial#Bias_allegations
 

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the us government is either evil or criminally insane almost to a man. i have no problem with a judge saying that the united states is the enemy when we try to force our laws down the throats of other nations like copyright laws and the drug war.

we do not like it anymore over here when the UN tries to ram their laws down our throats. like this small arms garbage.

i cannot wait for china to call in our debt or the EU etc to pull our international monetary status, then watch as these monsters are too busy covering their own arses to bother sticking their noses onto the rights of other nations and commit illegal raids to boot.

and to think this is all on the dollars of the lobbists of the poor suffering music and movie industry than cannot survive in this world of pirates, meanwhile churn out garbage at a clips so large it is amazing when you see a good movie out of hollywood, or a good cd out of the music industry, etc.

wonder how many millions it takes to convince your nation's leaders to authorize an illegal raid in a foreign nation, then on top of it cause an international incident when they refuse to hand over the evidence they illegally seized, and demand on top it if that you guys follow our laws or else.

yes we are the enemy. the enemy of freedom, the enemy of justice, and the enemy of the "american" way.
 

Albino Boo

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Tubez said:
albino boo said:
Oh well whatever the outcome of this current case, the US has got an instant grounds for appeal. This guy shooting his mouth off in public about the US being the enemy is going to be a clear case of bias against one of the parties involved. The guy is an idiot, if he kept his mouth shut and merely thought it, there wouldn't be a thing the US could do.
Ha if that is enough for to appeal then the piratebay would have won their appeal as well
considering how much bias the prosecutors and judges had in that trial

some examples of bias
"In mid 2008 after the indictment had been served, it was discovered that the main police investigator in the preliminary investigation had started working for one of the plaintiffs, Warner Brothers, before the date of the indictment"

"Only days before the trial began, one of the three appointed lay judges was discovered to be a member of a composers' association that among others works on protecting copyright"

"In the aftermath of the trial, presiding judge Tomas Norström, the same judge that ordered the 2006 raid on The Pirate Bay's servers, came under scrutiny after allegations of bias. Sveriges Radio P3 News organized an investigation that found on April 23 that Norström had several engagements with organisations interested in intellectual property issues"

"Norström however also sits in the board of the Swedish Association for the Protection of Industrial Property,[96] which along with the SFU are the Swedish branches of International Association for the Protection of Industrial Property (AIPPI) and Association littéraire et artistique internationale (ALAI). AIPPI's website states that "the objective of AIPPI is to improve and promote the protection of intellectual property on both an international and national basis","

and there is much more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pirate_Bay_trial#Bias_allegations
Precisely when did the judge at a public meeting call the Pirate bay evil?


felixader said:
Of course he is biased! He is caring for the poeple of his country!
And i actually think it is good that he overdid it with his comment putting a clear exclamation mark on the facts of this case.

His job is not to care or express his political opinion but to make a fair an impartial judgement in the matter of law in the case in front of him. If he wants to care for the nation then step down from the bench and stand for election.
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
Outlawing region-free DVD players? This means WAR!
A lot of DVD distributors declared war almost a decade ago.

Seriously though, would one of you foreign countries PLEASE stand-up to our government? I assure those of us with working brains view it with just as much contempt as you do.
Possibly more.

cerebus23 said:
the us government is either evil or criminally insane almost to a man.
Why pick one? I say both! Plus, throw in ignorant for a complete picture.