men involved with domestic violence

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

I think you're waaay off if you think gangsta rap is at the heart of the issue.
No one would look up to gangsta rap and it's supposed rape culture and take it at face value if they came from a stable environment in the first place.
Gangsta rap as a phenomenon is only a result of the real life mentalities that already exist within society. The lust for power, domination and ownership of other people is not a product of rap lyrics. And if gangsta rap didn't exist you'd probably be calling for another symptom to be addressed rather than the actual disease.

Oh of course Gangsta rap is a symptom, not the cause. They had to feel this way BEFORE they wrote songs. The songs were just a reflection of a lifestyle. The issue with gangsta rap promoting gangsta culture is that it is promoting raping as being a cool and acceptable thing to do and spreading those ideas further making it more difficult to combat. When they are spreading that " this is cool" to kids who might not have ever felt that way, then find they really enjoy and like gangsta culture will accept that view of rape along with many of the other views expressed by that lifestyle. The idea that " rape" is a part of any lifestyle is part of the problem. Rap becoming popular only spread that lifestyle further and made these ideas more widespread.

 

[Frankster]

Now I agree we may be armed to the teeth with confirmation bias, even so I was expecting to find a 24 hour men's hotline in the UK and was disappointed to see that I could not find one easily. I may have bias due to my experience with rape and abuse at the hands of men, but even I can see there should be a 24 hour hotline for men in need of help. There really is no excuse for that. I wish to actively help solve these problems but it is often hard to do when men keep screaming " womenz don't care about us!" when that simply is not true.

When working at one of the primary mental health centers in London I was asked to compile a list of numbers of services and hotlines for easy reference,divided into categories such as gender specific services, and whilst I had no problem filling entire pages with lists of female only services, I had to really dig the bottom of the barrel for services for males (and even then, most of the numbers I called to check up on them didn't even exist anymore). There was also noted to be a general lack of specialized services and institutions .

Our local counselors also consistently noted difficulty with male patients in getting them to attend their sessions and stick to their treatment. I'll leave wiser people then me to hypothesize why that was.

It took google 0.4 seconds to find like, a dozen male specific hotlines in the UK.

See above. Try actually calling those numbers you've googled cos I guarantee you most don't exist anymore. And tbh, a dozen numbers to me seems like an amazing amount xD I'd have been grateful back in the day for just like 5 numbers that actually worked.
Actually wait, I'm still thinking in terms of London.. You say you found just a dozen numbers for the WHOLE OF THE UK? Well I rest my case.

It was especially problematic as we had a few severe cases of really horrible spousal abuse with a male victim, but had no where to send them to except back home.


P.s: I'm just relaying my anecdotal experience here, not seeking to take sides in any debate I might have rudely jumped into, haven't even read the previous few pages xP

 

[chikusho]

I think you're waaay off if you think gangsta rap is at the heart of the issue.
No one would look up to gangsta rap and it's supposed rape culture and take it at face value if they came from a stable environment in the first place.
Gangsta rap as a phenomenon is only a result of the real life mentalities that already exist within society. The lust for power, domination and ownership of other people is not a product of rap lyrics. And if gangsta rap didn't exist you'd probably be calling for another symptom to be addressed rather than the actual disease.

Oh of course Gangsta rap is a symptom, not the cause. They had to feel this way BEFORE they wrote songs. The songs were just a reflection of a lifestyle. The issue with gangsta rap promoting gangsta culture is that it is promoting raping as being a cool and acceptable thing to do and spreading those ideas further making it more difficult to combat. When they are spreading that " this is cool" to kids who might not have ever felt that way, then find they really enjoy and like gangsta culture will accept that view of rape along with many of the other views expressed by that lifestyle. The idea that " rape" is a part of any lifestyle is part of the problem. Rap becoming popular only spread that lifestyle further and made these ideas more widespread.

You are seriously underestimating "kids".
As I've already pointed out, the only kids who think rape is cool due to impressions from media are already disturbed because of other circumstances. Rap hasn't caused rape, just like Marilyn Manson didn't cause the Columbine school shooting.

 

[Thaluikhain]

You are seriously underestimating "kids".
As I've already pointed out, the only kids who think rape is cool due to impressions from media are already disturbed because of other circumstances. Rap hasn't caused rape, just like Marilyn Manson didn't cause the Columbine school shooting.

Any one cultural element doesn't cause rape (or similar issues), but attitudes towards and rates of rape vary a lot amongst different cultures.

 

[chikusho]

You are seriously underestimating "kids".
As I've already pointed out, the only kids who think rape is cool due to impressions from media are already disturbed because of other circumstances. Rap hasn't caused rape, just like Marilyn Manson didn't cause the Columbine school shooting.

Any one cultural element doesn't cause rape (or similar issues), but attitudes towards and rates of rape vary a lot amongst different cultures.

Neither of which are caused by rap lyrics. What's your point?

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

I think you're waaay off if you think gangsta rap is at the heart of the issue.
No one would look up to gangsta rap and it's supposed rape culture and take it at face value if they came from a stable environment in the first place.
Gangsta rap as a phenomenon is only a result of the real life mentalities that already exist within society. The lust for power, domination and ownership of other people is not a product of rap lyrics. And if gangsta rap didn't exist you'd probably be calling for another symptom to be addressed rather than the actual disease.

Oh of course Gangsta rap is a symptom, NOT THE CAUSE. They had to feel this way BEFORE they wrote songs. The songs were just a reflection of a lifestyle. The issue with gangsta rap promoting gangsta culture is that it is promoting raping as being a cool and acceptable thing to do and spreading those ideas further making it more difficult to combat. When they are spreading that " this is cool" to kids who might not have ever felt that way, then find they really enjoy and like gangsta culture will accept that view of rape along with many of the other views expressed by that lifestyle. The idea that " rape" is a part of any lifestyle is part of the problem. Rap becoming popular only spread that lifestyle further and made these ideas more widespread.

You are seriously underestimating "kids".
As I've already pointed out, the only kids who think rape is cool due to impressions from media are already disturbed because of other circumstances. Rap hasn't caused rape, just like Marilyn Manson didn't cause the Columbine school shooting.

I bolded and capped it, just in case you missed it. Being a symptom, and promoting and spreading rape culture is not the cause, it is a symptom, as I already stated above. Just as girls mimic Brittany Spears and Lady gaga, boys also mimic DJ Paul and Eminem. When people they look up to promote these things as cool it affects the way they view them and tolerate them.

 

[chikusho]

I bolded and capped it, just in case you missed it. Being a symptom, and promoting and spreading rape culture is not the cause, it is a symptom, as I already stated above. Just as girls mimic Brittany Spears and Lady gaga, boys also mimic DJ Paul and Eminem. When people they look up to promote these things as cool it affects the way they view them and tolerate them.

Yeah, it's a symptom. Not the cause. Or even a cause.
The intent to hurt people is already there, and rap lyrics is not going to sway someone to grow up to be a rapist.
There an enormous difference between growing pig tails and singing on front of a mirror and raping someone. I'm quite baffled as to why you would even make the comparison.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

I bolded and capped it, just in case you missed it. Being a symptom, and promoting and spreading rape culture is not the cause, it is a symptom, as I already stated above. Just as girls mimic Brittany Spears and Lady gaga, boys also mimic DJ Paul and Eminem. When people they look up to promote these things as cool it affects the way they view them and tolerate them.

Yeah, it's a symptom. Not the cause. Or even a cause.
The intent to hurt people is already there, and rap lyrics is not going to sway someone to grow up to be a rapist.
There an enormous difference between growing pig tails and singing on front of a mirror and raping someone. I'm quite baffled as to why you would even make the comparison.

You cannot tell me that the 20 males who raped that 11 year old girl would have all " grown up to be rapist" without the culture of rape being acceptable being promoted to them. It is a matter of showing how something is accepted and fun thing to do. When role models show that something is " in" they start trends and change peoples feelings towards those things. You think that is all girls do when they like a singer? Of course not. Do you not remember what 4th grade girls were like? Swearing, fighting, talking about blow jobs? In 6th grade I remember a girl was beat down in the bathroom with a dildo and a girl forced it into her mouth because she saw her boyfriend talking to her in the hall. Yes, that is the reality of young girls these days because regardless of what their parents tell them, they want to " be cool" and fit in and are not immune to the world around them.

When I was growing up, my mother had to forbid my brother from watching Batman because every time they had a "pow" scene he started punching and kicking me an my sisters. He gave my sister a black eye and bloodied my nose because he was " being batman". My other brother was banned from watching teenage mutant ninja turtles after he made homemade nun-chucks and beat my other brother with them trying to imitate them. Now this does not mean that either grew up to beat people up all the time, but it did make them view violence as fun and cool. Rape is an extreme act of violence. The appeal of gangsta culture is the " don't give a shit" attitude and taking things to the extreme, including violence. They look up to these guys because they see them as tough, strong and " how a man should be". The problem when Dj Paul says things like:
"I had to rape his b*tch cause the hoe was stacked
I f*cked her from the back, with my gun to her back
I left up out his crib, with dolla and purple hat"
is that when kids who look up to him as how they want to be, they can view this as an acceptable point of view. Even if they do not think they would rape anyone themselves, they are more likely to not see it as that abnormal for someone else to. When it is seen as acceptable, as a normal thing that people do, we have a problem.

No people do not run out and rape someone because they heard a rap song, but they are less likely to care if someone else did, they are less likely to report it or try to stop it if it isn't seen as something that is wrong. Just as kids do not "snitch" on other kids for fighting, they do not snitch on rape. 44% of rape happens before the age of 18, before they have even fully developed their prefrontal cortex. When they are being bombarded with media that says it is cool, are they really going to take the teachers or posters telling them it is wrong seriously? Kids listen to their peers and people they "want to be like" more than they listen to their parents and teachers. It is an uphill battle when they have the coolest people they know telling them they do it. Of course that didn't cause the problem but it sure as hell isn't help solve it.

 

[chikusho]

You cannot tell me that the 20 males who raped that 11 year old girl would have all " grown up to be rapist" without the culture of rape being acceptable being promoted to them. It is a matter of showing how something is accepted and fun thing to do.

First of all, no place of society is consider rape to be a fun and acceptable thing to. So when someone gets that from someone, it's not going to be from TV. It's going to be from another person. And as I've repeatedly pointed out, someone who's going to do something horrible will be doing them for other reason than "rapper said it" and would do something horrible whether or not the music phenomenon even existed.

When role models show that something is " in" they start trends and change peoples feelings towards those things.

That only accounts for doing one sort of horrible "in" things instead of another horrible thing. Whether or not they learn about a particular horrible thing to do from one place or another is highly irrelevant, since the will and capability to perform them comes somewhere else entirely.

In 6th grade I remember a girl was beat down in the bathroom with a dildo and a girl forced it into her mouth because she saw her boyfriend talking to her in the hall. Yes, that is the reality of young girls these days because regardless of what their parents tell them, they want to " be cool" and fit in and are not immune to the world around them.

Yeah, which Britney Spears video was that again?

When I was growing up, my mother had to forbid my brother from watching Batman because every time they had a "pow" scene he started punching and kicking me an my sisters. He gave my sister a black eye and bloodied my nose because he was " being batman". My other brother was banned from watching teenage mutant ninja turtles after he made homemade nun-chucks and beat my other brother with them trying to imitate them. Now this does not mean that either grew up to beat people up all the time, but it did make them view violence as fun and cool.

Kids beat up each other all the time for all sorts of reasons. There's an enormous difference between not realizing the cause and effect of hurting someone when you're playing and hurting someone on purpose. An even more enormous difference between that and raping someone when you're grown.

Rape is an extreme act of violence. The appeal of gangsta culture is the " don't give a shit" attitude and taking things to the extreme, including violence. They look up to these guys because they see them as tough, strong and " how a man should be".

Even if that was true, the only reason anyone would think that's how a man should be is from circumstances in and around that persons life. Not because of rap lyrics, because without that filter all those lyrics would be nonsense anyway.

is that when kids who look up to him as how they want to be, they can view this as an acceptable. Even if they do not think they would rape anyone themselves, they are more likely to not see it as that abnormal for someone else to. When it is seen as acceptable, as a normal thing that people do, we have a problem.

And when people see it as an acceptable thing to do, it's because of circumstances and other people in their life. Not rap lyrics.

No people do not run out and rape someone because they heard a rap song, but they are less likely to care if someone else did, they are less likely to report it or try to stop it if it isn't seen as something that is wrong.

Which is a behavior learned by other people, not rap lyrics.

Just as kids do not "snitch" on other kids for fighting, they do not snitch on rape. 44% of rape happens before the age of 18, before they have even fully developed their prefrontal cortex. When they are being bombarded with media that says it is cool, are they really going to take the teachers or posters telling them it is wrong seriously? Kids listen to their peers and people they "want to be like" more than they listen to their parents and teachers. It is an uphill battle when they have the coolest people they know telling them they do it. Of course that didn't cause the problem but it sure as hell isn't help solve it.

Yet we live in a time with more tough guy rap lyrics than ever in the history of the world (not really, you can find exactly the same material in old songs and genres and other media as well), and the rate of rape is at an all time low. Funny how that works.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

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Gangsta Rap lyrics do not " cause" anything. Rap lyrics are a persons words, expression, or endorsement. The reason why companies pay celebrities to endorse their products are because they are influential and have the ability to change the public opinion of their products by seeing someone they look up to use them. Rap lyrics are not just random words, they promote a lifestyle. "Gangsta culture" is not fiction, it is an actual lifestyle that some choose to live. Gangsta rap is just a promotion of that lifestyle, the same way " milk does the body good" commercials promote drinking milk. You may have a difficult time understanding how promotion of gangsta culture works, or how gangsta rap actually came to be, but from the few years I spent living in "Da Grove" ( http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pleasant+grove ) growing up, I know this is not a situation of just expressing feelings that are not acted upon, they are rapping about reality, not fiction or feelings or actions never acted upon. Much of gangsta rap is actually about real events, things that are actually happening and being done. They play songs about shooting up the hood WHILE they shoot up the hood. They were playing that shit when they shot my cousin changing a tire in his own driveway. These songs are about life in the hood, about real events and are used as a promotion of a very real lifestyle.

Of course rape should be at an all time low, we have thrown tons of money at trying to educate people that it is a bad thing to do, I would hope that would at least have some sort of an effect. We solve these things through education, and having more of society educated now than any other time in history, I would think it should be at an all time low. How this mindset changes is through people standing up against it. Like this rap battle in London:
AT least in London they run the guy of town when they say that stupid shit. The problem in the hood though is someone IS probably being raped out back and they would have to wait their turn. They don't run that shit out of town that is the reality of the situation. We need MORE standing up against it and we will see it further reduced.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Double post, not sure how it did that.

 

[chikusho]

Gangsta Rap lyrics do not " cause" anything.

I'm glad we agree. Since it doesn't cause anything, and only highlights what already exists, not only is it not a problem but it might actually down-right beneficial. You know, since it points out what kind of mentalities we should be fighting against.

Rap lyrics are a persons words, expression, or endorsement. The reason why companies pay celebrities to endorse their products are because they are influential and have the ability to change the public opinion of their products by seeing someone they look up to use them. Rap lyrics are not just random words, they promote a lifestyle.

Rap lyrics are plenty of things. Sometimes it's those things you mentioned, other times it's the complete opposite. I don't really see how that's relevant either way.

"Gangsta culture" is not fiction, it is an actual lifestyle that some choose to live. Gangsta rap is just a promotion of that lifestyle, the same way " milk does the body good" commercials promote drinking milk.

Do you still not realize the difference between "enjoy product" and "hurt people"? If people really were that impressionable, no kind of society would ever even remotely function.

Like this rap battle in London:

I'd say gangsta rap has very little to do with the jumpoff battle scene, or even the battle scene in general.
Also, just as no one raped anyone because of gangsta rap lyrics, no one stopped himself from raping someone because of that exchange.

The problem in the hood though is someone IS probably being raped out back and they would have to wait their turn. They don't run that shit out of town that is the reality of the situation. We need MORE standing up against it and we will see it further reduced.

Exactly, so rap lyrics have nothing to do with it. It's all about environment, circumstances, and deeply rooted socio economic issues that lead to people falling through the cracks of the system.

My initial point still stands; Gangsta Rap is not a big problem in the US with it's popularity and it's promotion of rape.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

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First you keep saying " Rap" Rap and Gangsta Rap are two different things. To clarify:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangsta_rap
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gangsta%20rap

Yes, Gangsta Rap is completely different than Rap. Gangsta rap IS a big problem in HIGH CRIME AREAS. I agree with Spike Lee on the effects of Gangsta Rap on black communities, because many black youth confuse "gangsta culture" with "black culture" and they identify and allow " gangsta culture" to replace their own.

Simply because the entire US is not a ghetto does not mean that this isn't a problem in the areas where rapes happen much more frequently. Gangsta Rap was born during the "gang wars", and has since spread from there to reinforce that lifestyle among those most at risk for Violence. Yes, there are MANY factors that contribute, of course This is just one symptom. It is still a symptom that should be treated, just as a stuffy nose is treated when the cause is the cold, not the nose.

EDIT: Also what happened at the London rap off is very much relevant. Rape is not a part of " Rap" it is "Gangsta rap" and that rapper thought it was acceptable, otherwise he would not have done so. Luckily, though, the people there did not agree. This event does have more of an impact than you give it credit for. Those there who had not thought that rape was a big deal very well may be influenced by the angry mob telling them that shit isn't cool and by humiliating him on stage like that they made it very clear that anyone who harbors such sentiments is an "idiot" a loser and lame. By actions like that towards people promoting rape they can drive the point home that it is lame to think that way.

Threatening to rape someone is very much a part of gangsta rap, if you have ever listened to underground rappers at local clubs in the hood you would understand that is part of the problem. In the hood, if rape wasn't a part of the show there wasn't a show.

 

[chikusho]

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Yes, Gangsta Rap is completely different than Rap. Gangsta rap IS a big problem in HIGH CRIME AREAS.

I agree with Spike Lee on the effects of Gangsta Rap on black communities, because many black youth confuse "gangsta culture" with "black culture" and they identify and allow " gangsta culture" to replace their own.

Simply because the entire US is not a ghetto does not mean that this isn't a problem in the areas where rapes happen much more frequently. Gangsta Rap was born during the "gang wars", and has since spread from there to reinforce that lifestyle among those most at risk for Violence. Yes, there are MANY factors that contribute, of course This is just one symptom. It is still a symptom that should be treated, just as a stuffy nose is treated when the cause is the cold, not the nose.

Believe me, I know the distinction between genre and sub genre.

You can have a stuffy nose without having a cold, and have a cold without having a stuffy nose.
Either gangsta rap is a big problem in high crime areas, or high crime areas create/attract gangsta rap. Either way it's tangentially related at best, and fighting it is not only impossible but also trying to get at the problem from the wrong end. Kind of like brushing your teeth in the hope that it clears your nasal passage.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Snip.

Actually, they have been fighting it for quite some time, and have made a huge impact on it as is reflected in the urban dictionary link above causing it to "be tamer" now. With more people standing up and responding the same way they did at the rap off, and prominent members of the black community taking a stand against Gangsta culture, we ARE seeing an improvement. More still has to be done though because even with rape being at an all time low, it is still happening at disturbingly high numbers. They have been fighting it, and been making a difference, and I disagree they are starting at the wrong end. They are fighting the culture that encourages rape. Of course there is far more than gangsta rap that encourages rape and needs to be tackled, this is just ONE of them that they are making progress on.

Even though I have lived on an Indian Reservation and in the Hood, I was actually raped in the wealthiest county per sq ft in the state of Texas by a man I had never spoken to. The statistics say I should have been raped on the reservation or in the hood, but no, it happened to me after we had moved away from all that. The man who raped me, raped because he was an arrogant adrenaline junkie who thought it was a form of entertainment. He "hunted" me. He was attractive and well liked in the community. How do you propose we solve that?

 

[chikusho]

Even though I have lived on an Indian Reservation and in the Hood, I was actually raped in the wealthiest county per sq ft in the state of Texas by a man I had never spoken to. The statistics say I should have been raped on the reservation or in the hood, but no, it happened to me after we had moved away from all that. The man who raped me, raped because he was an arrogant adrenaline junkie who thought it was a form of entertainment. He "hunted" me. He was attractive and well liked in the community. How do you propose we solve that?

Sorry to hear about your trauma.

I say the same thing I always say when asked about societal issues.
Increased investments in the quality and access to education, more and better access to health and mental care, a more tightly knit social safety net and efforts to decrease income and class inequality. You know, the fundamental basics that have been repeatedly proven to increase the happiness and quality of life for everyone involved. Things that create a more stable situation for everyone, that not only actively prevents crime and conflict, but also makes it easier to spot people in danger of turning bad.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Even though I have lived on an Indian Reservation and in the Hood, I was actually raped in the wealthiest county per sq ft in the state of Texas by a man I had never spoken to. The statistics say I should have been raped on the reservation or in the hood, but no, it happened to me after we had moved away from all that. The man who raped me, raped because he was an arrogant adrenaline junkie who thought it was a form of entertainment. He "hunted" me. He was attractive and well liked in the community. How do you propose we solve that?

Sorry to hear about your trauma.

I say the same thing I always say when asked about societal issues.
Increased investments in the quality and access to education, more and better access to health and mental care, a more tightly knit social safety net and efforts to decrease income and class inequality. You know, the fundamental basics that have been repeatedly proven to increase the happiness and quality of life for everyone involved. Things that create a more stable situation for everyone, that not only actively prevents crime and conflict, but also makes it easier to spot people in danger of turning bad.

Sure, that solution helps with the issues facing wealth inequality but does nothing to affect my situation what so ever. He was highly educated, wealthy, and well liked in the community. If you have ever watched "American Pie" I could describe him as like "Steve Stiffler" but more muscular. When you have guys that think raping is exciting and fun just for the thrill of it, how do you combat that? I wish my experience was isolated, but my best friend was raped 2 years later by a "sports hero" from our school, another girl was raped by half the football team in the school parking lot. What can be done to have an effect on reducing " wealthy, educated rapists" or " thrill seekers"?

Rape happens here as well:
http://www.trulia.com/for_sale/Heath,TX
This is not just a lack of education or a poverty issue.

 

[DevilWithaHalo]

I'm sure you'll think I'm picking nits, but "Patriarchy theory" is just a theory. It doesn't do anything, and while it might allow for muddy thinking on account of being a muddy term, it is not a guarantee of it. Arguing that every application of it is "utterly ridiculous", even in informal discussion such as a message board, strikes me as the exact kind of lazy one-size-fits-all thinking you're purporting to oppose.

It just strikes me as needlessly provocative, given this is already a stupidly contentious and polarized discussion, in which most of the contributors have shown up armed to the teeth with confirmation bias.

Not nit-picky at all. The theory itself, as laughable as it is, and as you point out, still just a theory. But it is what people do with the theory, even if they just believe in it, which disturbs me the most. Likewise, Religions are founded on unsupported theories of the after life. They in themselves don't do anything do they? But what people choose to do with said theories are what I find disturbing. I find it necessary to point out the hilarity of said theories, demonstrating why they are utterly ridiculous in order to curtail questionable behaviors built on poor justifications for these theories.

Now you can say that Patriarchy theory doesn't do anything, while I contend that much of the damage has already been done. People are writing books about it, blogs are everywhere decrying the Patriarchy, Feminism as a base ideology has become infected with it's association, etc. Now you may think there is no harm in discussing such things, but what is the purpose of such discourse beyond a philosophical level? Should we have a credible academic discussion regarding this notion and charge people $100k to pursue higher education in merely talking about how this affects their lives? Can we then have more pictures of "I need Feminism because my Gender Studies degree includes *Patriarchy Theory 101*"?

It's one thing to discuss a theory. It's entirely another to craft the theory in such a way which leads no room for discussion. As a primary example; not believing in the Patriarchy proves the Patriarchy exists.

And no, I don't believe for a second anything you say to the contrary.

I guess that leaves no room for discussion. I will agree to disagree and part ways. Good Day.

Really? You are so blind that you can't see a parallel in systemic issues with a system run primary by/for women as opposed to men? Well thanks for demonstrating one of the inherent core problems with your position then.

 

[Padwolf]

I'm really happy to see that men involved with domestic violence is gaining much more acknowledgement. It's a serious crime that does happen, like men being raped and it needs a lot more awareness. More people need to come forward and report the abuse, it's very disheartening that many men do not come forward out of fear of not being taken seriously. Though I know that's easier said than done. It's great to see a charity focused on men.

 

[chikusho]

Sure, that solution helps with the issues facing wealth inequality but does nothing to affect my situation what so ever. He was highly educated, wealthy, and well liked in the community. If you have ever watched "American Pie" I could describe him as like "Steve Stiffler" but more muscular. When you have guys that think raping is exciting and fun just for the thrill of it, how do you combat that? I wish my experience was isolated, but my best friend was raped 2 years later by a "sports hero" from our school, another girl was raped by half the football team in the school parking lot. What can be done to have an effect on reducing " wealthy, educated rapists" or " thrill seekers"?

Rape happens here as well:
http://www.trulia.com/for_sale/Heath,TX
This is not just a lack of education or a poverty issue.

It can help because wealth and class inequality works from both ends. The kid from the rich family runs a little less of a risk to grow up feeling like he's superior to everyone around him, and is entitled to anything he wants. The kid who grows up poor will still have enough support from society and people around him to maybe not feel that he deserves to take from those who have more than him. The local community as a whole get more opportunities to work across boundaries and through their differences to instill the values of respect and dignity in the growing generation, and against use of violence as a valid course of action.
This setup provides a framework for people, and kids in general, to learn what rape actually is. Which undoubtedly leads to a decrease in its occurrence.

Granted, some people with narcissistic, psycho- or sociopathic personality disorders are always going to find ways to ruin the day for people. But a stable society and community has greater means to spot these people and probably runs a lower risk of creating them.