men involved with domestic violence

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Sure, that solution helps with the issues facing wealth inequality but does nothing to affect my situation what so ever. He was highly educated, wealthy, and well liked in the community. If you have ever watched "American Pie" I could describe him as like "Steve Stiffler" but more muscular. When you have guys that think raping is exciting and fun just for the thrill of it, how do you combat that? I wish my experience was isolated, but my best friend was raped 2 years later by a "sports hero" from our school, another girl was raped by half the football team in the school parking lot. What can be done to have an effect on reducing " wealthy, educated rapists" or " thrill seekers"?

Rape happens here as well:
http://www.trulia.com/for_sale/Heath,TX
This is not just a lack of education or a poverty issue.

It can help because wealth and class inequality works from both ends. The kid from the rich family runs a little less of a risk to grow up feeling like he's superior to everyone around him, and is entitled to anything he wants. The kid who grows up poor will still have enough support from society and people around him to maybe not feel that he deserves to take from those who have more than him. The local community as a whole get more opportunities to work across boundaries and through their differences to instill the values of respect and dignity in the growing generation, and against use of violence as a valid course of action.
This setup provides a framework for people, and kids in general, to learn what rape actually is. Which undoubtedly leads to a decrease in its occurrence.

Granted, some people with narcissistic, psycho- or sociopathic personality disorders are always going to find ways to ruin the day for people. But a stable society and community has greater means to spot these people and probably runs a lower risk of creating them.

Even in environments where people are equal in class and wealth we still have issues such as "sports rape culture" and "affluenza"
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bobcook/2013/12/13/affluenza-and-sports-rape-culture-have-a-lot-in-common/
http://www.thenation.com/blog/176846/how-jock-culture-supports-rape-culture-maryville-steubenville

I am not sure how we can make a dent in " rape culture" without actually addressing it as "rape culture". I agree that bridging wealth and resource gaps greatly help resolve issues, but I also do not think they solve all of the issues. I feel the only way to make a difference in groups that foster rape and other harmful activities is to address those issues directly to those groups and change the atmosphere that "this is acceptable" in the groups where it is being promoted as such.

 

[Thaluikhain]

It can help because wealth and class inequality works from both ends. The kid from the rich family runs a little less of a risk to grow up feeling like he's superior to everyone around him, and is entitled to anything he wants. The kid who grows up poor will still have enough support from society and people around him to maybe not feel that he deserves to take from those who have more than him. The local community as a whole get more opportunities to work across boundaries and through their differences to instill the values of respect and dignity in the growing generation, and against use of violence as a valid course of action.

While reducing wealth inequality is a good thing, and would help with all sorts of problems, I don't see it helping with this one. I don't see a connection between the above and this:

This setup provides a framework for people, and kids in general, to learn what rape actually is. Which undoubtedly leads to a decrease in its occurrence.

Teaching people what rape actually is, and who does it[footnote]That is, people who commit rape are the ones that commit rape, even if they are otherwise respectable members of communities[/footnote] is essential, and this is mostly separate from wealth inequality.

Now, I will certainly grasp that class plays a part in whether or not someone is respectable, and thus whether or not they might be seen as a rapist (as opposed to this being determined when they rape someone), but that's far from the whole story.

 

[chikusho]

While reducing wealth inequality is a good thing, and would help with all sorts of problems, I don't see it helping with this one. I don't see a connection between the above and this:

It helps because it bridges gaps between people from different classes and backgrounds, and provides a stable environment where the things taught are actually understood. It also provides the possibility of developing empathy for other people at a younger age, integration and equal treatment puts everyone in the same boat.
Plus, inequality leads alienation from society, which in turn leads to feelings of powerlessness and frustration. The very same kind of frustration that can turn people apathetic or violent, and force dominion over other people to achieve a sense of control - something that's very much related to rape.

Also, it doesn't matter if schools teach kids about rape if the people who really need to hear it aren't there. Reducing class inequality and improving education helps to keep kids in school.

 

[Schadrach]

What exactly are you suggesting, that men should defend themselves with violence?

If necessary yes. Self defence using proportionate violence is considered ok in any other scenario so why make an exception here?

Bad idea, especially if the law gets involved. Being entirely honest, if a woman is engaging in domestic violence against a man and the cops get called, odds are he's going to jail and she will be given the option of a temporary restraining order if she wants it. If he does anything to defend himself, those odds only get worse for him.

Maybe it is a regional " rough house" thing? The guys I knew growing up were more like Marshall and his brothers from how I met your mother:
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Violence is far from the last resort here in the DFW metroplex in Texas. We have cartels, gangs and fight clubs all over the place. In the schools here you cannot even wear two different colored shoe laces or bracelets because people show gang colors that way. Rape jokes are not okay when they are part of the condoning and acceptance of rape. How do you take away it's power when guys think it is funny to rape someone as a form of punishment?

I suspect it is, because that doesn't sound anything like where I'm from, but then if I recall you grew up in what was literally one of the most violent/highest crime place in the country, didn't you? And where you live now is better, but only because the bar is set pretty low by comparison?

Compare, this is the highest crime community that city-data.com has anything on within 50 miles of me: http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Charleston-West-Virginia.html My own hometown they have 2012 numbers for, and it had a total of 6 crimes (split between theft and burglary) in the categories they look at in that year. 99% of crime in my little home town are nonviolent drug offenses and traffic violations, and only the latter really gets enforced unless someone starts growing weed or cooking meth (and then state police get involved rather than the local cops, who mostly hand out traffic tickets, scare off teenagers violating curfew, and deal with the occasional bit of vandalism).

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

What exactly are you suggesting, that men should defend themselves with violence?

If necessary yes. Self defence using proportionate violence is considered ok in any other scenario so why make an exception here?

Bad idea, especially if the law gets involved. Being entirely honest, if a woman is engaging in domestic violence against a man and the cops get called, odds are he's going to jail and she will be given the option of a temporary restraining order if she wants it. If he does anything to defend himself, those odds only get worse for him.

Maybe it is a regional " rough house" thing? The guys I knew growing up were more like Marshall and his brothers from how I met your mother:
...
Violence is far from the last resort here in the DFW metroplex in Texas. We have cartels, gangs and fight clubs all over the place. In the schools here you cannot even wear two different colored shoe laces or bracelets because people show gang colors that way. Rape jokes are not okay when they are part of the condoning and acceptance of rape. How do you take away it's power when guys think it is funny to rape someone as a form of punishment?

I suspect it is, because that doesn't sound anything like where I'm from, but then if I recall you grew up in what was literally one of the most violent/highest crime place in the country, didn't you? And where you live now is better, but only because the bar is set pretty low by comparison?

Compare, this is the highest crime community that city-data.com has anything on within 50 miles of me: http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Charleston-West-Virginia.html My own hometown they have 2012 numbers for, and it had a total of 6 crimes (split between theft and burglary) in the categories they look at in that year. 99% of crime in my little home town are nonviolent drug offenses and traffic violations, and only the latter really gets enforced unless someone starts growing weed or cooking meth (and then state police get involved rather than the local cops, who mostly hand out traffic tickets, scare off teenagers violating curfew, and deal with the occasional bit of vandalism).

I only lived in "da Hood" for 3 years growing up, although my cousins still live there. We then moved to the wealthiest per sq ft county in the state, so it isn't a matter of the bar being low, we went from one extreme to another. Here, there are millionaires and mansions all over the place. You should consider that the DFW metroplex has the best and the worst around. More than half of all the Billionaires in Texas live in DFW. I moved back to Heath after college.

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Heath-Texas.html
http://homesoftherich.net/2011/10/two-newly-built-mansions-in-heath-tx/
http://www.trulia.com/for_sale/Heath,TX/price;d_sort

 

[generals3]

What exactly are you suggesting, that men should defend themselves with violence?

If necessary yes. Self defence using proportionate violence is considered ok in any other scenario so why make an exception here?

Bad idea, especially if the law gets involved. Being entirely honest, if a woman is engaging in domestic violence against a man and the cops get called, odds are he's going to jail and she will be given the option of a temporary restraining order if she wants it. If he does anything to defend himself, those odds only get worse for him.

I know, and my whole point is that that needs to be fixed. It is the aggressor who should be punished and not the one defending oneself, regardless of gender.