Meth junkie burns down 3,500 year old tree
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By that logic a lion's mane jelly fish is larger than a blue whale because it's tentacles can reach longer lengths. It isn't larger, it's longer. This honey mushroom in Oregon isn't larger then Pando, it lives in more ground.Abandon4093 said:
As for the proof you asked about. I never offered any nor did I intend to. I never made a definitive statement. Even I admit that while not quite as likely some of Pando's roots might be dead, isolating parts from the rest, making them separate organisms, you can't exactly know for sure without digging the whole thing up and checking it out. Same with the fungus. What you can do is look at the evidence you have and come to a reasonable conclusion.
The discovery of most of these clonal colonies has occurred relatively recently - Pando has only had the top spot since 1992, the fungus has only really been studied since 2004 following an article about it, and the seagrass was discovered in 2006. Not exactly a lot of time to study these massive organisms. There are already examples found that quite possibly exceed the size of both of these. There is a colony of Coastal Redwoods, and the already mentioned seagrass as candidates for largest organism. There is also another recently discovered colony of aspens in Utah that covers closer to 250 acres (Pando covers 106).
Anyway, go on and believe whatever you want. You have pretty much made statements I can only take as your intention to question anything anyone says to you that does not conform to your already established world views. I'm not going to go out of my way here to prove anything or attempt to educate someone that has no desire to learn. Should I be wrong and you wish to learn more that is another story, and I would be happy to continue this discussion.
Poor girl. Although the comments beneath that linked article are hilarious.
It's disappointing that such an old tree was burnt down and all but fuck, worse things have happened.
It's disappointing that such an old tree was burnt down and all but fuck, worse things have happened.
If anyone wants to find her facebook page, it has a few photos of here Pre-methed out. She was actually quite a looker, or dare I say, Smokin. Anyway, who gives a fuck? Some druggy ***** goes to jail and will likely contribute the square root of zero when she gets out, but will produce 3 kids. I'm sure if this ***** had been tazed the internets would be all a flutter.
Eh, it was a Florida landmark. Old trees are not exactly rare in the US. Out of the 20 oldest trees known (non clonal) 17 are located in the US. There are far older clonal trees and clonal colonies. Such as a tree in Norway that is believed to have a root structure that has been growing for 9550 years, the tree growing above ground is no more the 150 years old and periodically dies off only to have the roots send up a new stem.Kingsman said:
Plants more likely at the level of nation landmark:
Methuselah, a Bristlecone pine in California, is the oldest known non clonal organism at 4843 years old, there is a dendrochronology made from these trees that extends back 10,000 years.
Pando, a clonal colony Quaking Aspen in Utah, is currently the largest known organism. At 80,000+ years old the organism covers 106 acres and contains more than 47,000 trees. There exists another far larger colony of aspen that has yet to be verified.
King Clone, is the oldest known clonal colony Creosote Bush. Located in California this bush started growing roughly 11,700 years ago.
The namless Honey Mushroom in Oregon already mentioned several times in this thread possibly covers as much as 2,200 acres and if one organism estimates it's size put it close to the current top spot for biomass (Pando). It's age is estimated at 2400 years old. It has a relative in Washington State that possibly covers 1500 acres and is close to the same age.
Hopefully during some jail time introspection this junkie realizes that the best path to a happy, healthy fulfilling life is suicide.
There's no way she would ever contribute more to this world than that tree would have.
There's no way she would ever contribute more to this world than that tree would have.
Why would you expect me to be educating people when I said I wasn't? That is just silly.Abandon4093 said:
I never offered any proof because there is no definitive proof either way only evidence for or against. Through I maybe misunderstanding what you consider proof. Facts are not proof, nor are newspaper articles.
I shouldn't have to prove that something that is disputed among the scientific community is disputed, because that is exactly what that status means. There are people who believe the earth is flat, obviously the argument that people believe it therefor I have to prove to you that it isn't true is ridiculous. I'm not going to assume you are stupid, nor have I as yet. Which makes me wonder why you seem to be asking for proof of something that is disputed by people that study the subject for a living. Why would you expect someone who is not an expert to have answers experts don't? That is also just plain silly thinking.
Going off the assumption that you are not just plain stupid I have to wonder why you would be asking something so silly. Could it really be just a way of shielding yourself form approaching this with your critical thinking cap on? You place all the burden of disproving your claims on me. It's a tactic used to place the opponent in an argument on the defensive.
