Yes, even Nintendo has acknowledged their failure in this area so fans need to catch up.Ieyke said:
Most people thought the Wii U was a $300-$350 gamepad for the Wii and not another console by itself.
Metroid Prime Dev: Wii U is a Powerhouse, We're Making a New Game For it
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Most people thought the Wii U was a $300-$350 gamepad for the Wii and not another console by itself.
I don't understand how people can say that what Retro studios is saying is nothing but bogos propoganda flying and not believe it, yet when Insomniac studios says the same thing about their console exclusive of choice a bazillion people nod their heads in agreement.
Whatever man. I just can't wait for Retro Studios new game.
Whatever man. I just can't wait for Retro Studios new game.
Show me where people will "nod their heads in agreement." Seriously, show me because I've never seen that at all on this site the 4 years I've been here. And if Insomniac were to do that I guarantee that people would call them out on the same thing because of the constant presence they've had on Sony systems. Not to mention Insomniac hasn't just made games for one system now that this new generation is here, and since Fuse came out and was on both 360 and PS3. Also, in case you didn't know, Insomniac is making an exclusive game for the Xbox One.Dragonbums said:
Powerful compared to what? If its the Wii, then yes its more powerful. If its the PS4/XB1, then no its not a powerhouse. lol. Instead of all this talk about power just make your game because thats all people care about. Its what MS didnt do with Kinect, they go on about it as hardware but never show us what it can be used for and what games can be made for it. An only games released on it are shit, like that Beatem up game they released on XB1, MS cant complain when they let any piece of crap be released on it.
Anyway, yes the Wiiu is a powerful piece of kit, just as long as you dont compare it to more powerful consoles.
Anyway, yes the Wiiu is a powerful piece of kit, just as long as you dont compare it to more powerful consoles.
I'm pretty sure if a dev were to say "Xbox One and/or PS4 console is a powerhouse" and it wasn't the Wii U or some other weaker system most people probably wouldn't call them out on it aside from the PC crowd because PC's are powerful and those who take resolution way too fucking seriously. As for Insomniac they were just a placeholder example. Not a legitimate statement in that regard.Neronium said:
Proof? Can't say I have any seeing as how I can't remember the last article talking about a dev proclaiming how they have so much power with [insert console here]
Because...uh, um, I'll get back to you on that. Like I've said before, I really don't get what is up with people vehemently shrieking at Nintendo, saying that they're irrelevant and that they want them to go away. I've never understood what can only be described only as sheer, deep-seated hatred against Nintendo's very existence. I know that's illogical, but that's (ironically) the only logical explanation I can come to.Dragonbums said:
I'm sorry but you chose a terrible placeholder. See the thing as to why people in this thread are taking Retro's statement with massive grains of salt is because Retro has never made a game on another system than Nintendo systems. This would be like if Naughty Dog were to come out and talk about how great the PS4 is, well no duh ND it's because you make games exclusively for that system. If a company like SEGA or Capcom were to say a similar comment about the Wii U then it's hold more credence because those two companies have worked with other systems, other hardware way more.Dragonbums said:
An I excited that Retro is making a new game, yes. Do I not take a console-exclusive developer's word on how great that console is, no not really.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.104989-Killzone-2-Dev-PS3-Development-Is-EasyDragonbums said:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.243733-PlayStation-3-Not-Powerful-Enough-to-Realize-Gran-Turismo-Creators-Dream
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.836453-John-Carmack-PS3-Xbox-360-are-Far-From-Tapped-Out
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.401555-Sony-Touts-PS4-As-the-Most-Powerful-Gaming-Device-Ever
I realize these aren't the most direct comparisons but it seems that The Escapist is just full of negativity in general (except for PC).
Pretty much this. I always laugh when people say that this site has bias against X developer whenever news is posted that paints it in a negative light. The case of negative news about Nintendo is not unique to them, and it isn't to any other company really. You'll just notice it more when it's the company that you like that's in the negative light. I honestly thought this was apparent to people after the slew of negative PR the Xbox One got, but it seems some fans of other systems seem to have forgotten those times that were only about 8 or so months ago. :/Eldritch Warlord said:
I didn't say it was the Escapist specifically.Neronium said:
Some of the comments in that article ranged from "PS3 still has some juice left in it" to "didn't you make X amount of games on the console with no problem" With a few of the PC crowd saying the same thing about the glorious master race and whatever general console ware ensues in the comments section.
Dev talks about the Wii U being good for development and being more than enough to make a good game and the comments section is typically the same thing of Nintendo bias theories, how shit the hardware is, how devs who never really worked on the Wii U (if at all ) looks at the numbers and says can't do our mega budget game. Not next gen enough, and all manners of whatever. This is just the beginning of the Wii U lifespan. Not the end of it like some of the articles on the PS3 and Xbox 360.
I mean really now, this gen we saw a company straight up lie about what the console could do. It was so widely believed that when BigRedButton said that their next Sonic game was going to use the Crytek 3 Engine (or whatever it was called can't remember the number) I saw people in the comments section of various websites saying with genuine surprise "Wii U can run Crytek?"
All the while devs make interviews and statments about how much money they have to spend on the latest graphics machine and how "somehow" they can't make the games they want even with a specs of the PS4/One and all the money they could dream of.
Classic.
People always seem baffled by Nintendo being able to do stuff with hardware that requires finesses or outside thinking. Furthermore, they always seem genuinely surprised when Nintendo proves time and again that hardware, at the end of the day, is nothing more than POTENTIAL. If you don't know how to use it properly, then you're nothing more than a random monkey crunching numbers on a keyboard. There's no craft in that. And no matter how powerful the hardware is, processing power can never usurp MANPOWER. And despite Nintendo repeatedly proving that time and time again, to the humiliation of tech porn fetishists (both in gamers and designers alike) people STILL put their fingers in their ears and go "LALALALALALALALALALALALA!!"Dragonbums said:
People were fairly upset when developers (like John Carmack, FYI) made obviously untrue statements that the XBO was as powerful as the PS4 when the numbers were right there and cross platform games obviously suffered in resolution/FPS for the XBO but not the PS4.Dragonbums said:
I think the big problem here is that it's the WiiU this guy is talking about. It uses the same processor as the 360 and only has twice the amount of RAM available for games (1GB, the other 1GB is for the OS). By almost any standards, the WiiU is underpowered. There will always be an outburst when someone calls the obviously weakest machine powerful. Doesn't even matter what the product is.
What I think the developer meant is that the console is more than enough for what THEY are trying to do at Nintendo. It's just obviously not powerful enough for many of the other AAA developers. Either way, "powerhouse" is not the word that comes to mind when the WiiU is brought up. I mean, did you get a WiiU because it was so powerful? Probably not.
As for calling something like the PS4 a powerhouse. That's not true compared to some epic PC with a Titan in it and some other things but it is true compared to the majority of gaming PCs currently in use. It is not inaccurate then to call it a powerhouse. I'm not sure how the XBO would stack up against the average PC. I think even the XBO is above average at the moment. One thing is absolutely for sure, $400 for the PS4 is the highest ROI you can get at the moment. In general though, consoles are just supposed to be good hardware for the price consumers will typically pay. They aren't meant to be cutting edge tech. In any event, think of all the things the ps3 was already capable of rendering and understand that the ps4 is 10x as powerful. I even think it's a little more now that they've gone to x86 and dropped the asset categories that forced developers to cram assets into separate categories or risk crashing the console.