Metroid Wii U's Fate is "Up to Developers", Says Nintendo Exec

[Casual Shinji]

Wait, really? How soon did they say they're gonna pop that baby out? Hell, I'm still playing on my PS3 more then my PS4. This really is the Dreamcast all over again. The whole point of a console release schedule is that there's a collective hype for all the consoles. You can't release a new system NOW, in the middle of the cycle.

I think we can surely expect them to reveal it at next year's E3 if not sooner, with a launch in the following year. The Wii-U has been one big tepid dud and it doesn't look like sales are going to be picking up anytime soon. It's no surprise they're not bringing out one of their least selling franchises on a console that itself doesn't sell at all.

Either this is a prime example of Nintendo's ruthless efficiency ('If it's not selling, scrap it'), or the Wii-U is floundering so badly that they really can't afford to ride out this console cycle.

 

[thewatergamer]

Excuse me while I *Vomits*

ugh sorry had to get rid of that when he dropped the "Lets just be happy with what we have" line, Nintendo cut out the BS, fans have wanted a new Metroid prime game for the Wii U since lets face it that console is still really lacking on major franchise installments, yeah you have mario more or less covered and at least you have a zelda game on the console and another one promised but seriously? No Metroid Wii U game whatsoever? Also, I'm sorry but people (me included) don't like federation force, it looks like a generic co-op shooter that you threw together and then slapped a franchise name on it, now stop trying to whitewash it and quit trying to dictate what we think, I am sick of you saying "Just trust us" no, you don't deserve that trust anymore, you messed up the Wii U's launch, hard, and now you are in talks about scrapping a console that tons of your hardcore fans bought at launch despite everything wrong with it? *sigh* You may claim that the Wii U is one big dud but you aren't going to be able to just sweep it under the rug and say "oh yeah that thing wasn't too good, here's our brand new 400$ console! BUY IT" without a massive backlash, and not giving fans at least one proper installment of one of their favorite franchises is just pathetic

 

[CaitSeith]

I feel ashamed for the people having a hissy fit over the new metroid. Metroid prime trilogy was and still is brilliant. But this spoilt behaviour is embarrassing. I would rather let the developer try whatever new ideas they have stewing inside, than ***** and moan that they didnt make more of the same tried formula. Ugh, is it safe to use "entitled" yet? For this case?

Only for those who just want it cancelled. If that isn't entitled, it's at least egotistical.

 

[Xeros]

I don't get the anger at all, like REALLY people? A: it's a spinoff, a NINTENDO SPINOFF

This. This right here. Granted I still think they should drop "Prime" from the title, but everything else considered, if Silent Hill can have a multi-player hack-n-slash, Nintendo can make a bouncy-lookin' co-op shooter with the Metroid franchise. Who knows, maybe it'll be a blast.

I feel bad about the person in the store who sees it on the shelf and decides to buy it strictly on its name...

Who buys a product solely on the title? I did that once as a lad with Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero; never again.

 

[CaitSeith]

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I kinda disagree about the part about Gamers who follow the E3 knowing better. Most of the stuff from E3 is just a parade of advertisements that are vague representations of the real games.

 

[Blazing Hero]

I don't get the anger at all, like REALLY people? A: it's a spinoff, a NINTENDO SPINOFF

This. This right here. Granted I still think they should drop "Prime" from the title, but everything else considered, if Silent Hill can have a multi-player hack-n-slash, Nintendo can make a bouncy-lookin' co-op shooter with the Metroid franchise. Who knows, maybe it'll be a blast.

I feel bad about the person in the store who sees it on the shelf and decides to buy it strictly on its name...

Who buys a product solely on the title? I did that once as a lad with Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero; never again.

Are you kidding? Parents and kids for one thing. Hell you just mentioned an example of it happening to yourself and that wasn't even nearly as bad as this Metroid example. At least Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero actually HAD Sub-Zero in it. Still I feel your pain on that one... That game was absolutely horrid.

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

I feel ashamed for the people having a hissy fit over the new metroid. Metroid prime trilogy was and still is brilliant. But this spoilt behaviour is embarrassing. I would rather let the developer try whatever new ideas they have stewing inside, than ***** and moan that they didnt make more of the same tried formula. Ugh, is it safe to use "entitled" yet? For this case?

Only for those who just want it cancelled. If that isn't entitled, it's at least egotistical.

I can't quote all the others that explained to me without phone having an existential breakdown, but yeah, I should have specified I was talking about the petitioners. I agree the game looks disappointing, like it fell out a dead camel's arse. But, not having owned one, maybe it is a handheld thing? Still, it is not wise to assume so early what a game will be like.
I doubt Prime is gone forever, hopefully the rabid fanbase won't push the developers away from the IP.

 

[CrystalShadow]

He tried to console unhappy fans by telling them to "be happy for what we have," urging them that "We've got something so let's experience it."

That's not gonna be Nintendo's new slogan, is it?

Additionally, Moffitt confirmed that Zelda Wii U [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/tag/view/zelda%20wii%20u] was still on target for its 2016 release, and that the delay was to make sure it's the game it's being built up to be. "We want that to be the best Zelda experience. Fans have been waiting for and deserve a game when it's ready, when it's fully featured and when it can live up to what we would like to deliver."

They sure they didn't delay it just to get a Zelda launch game on the NX, similar to Twilight Princess on the Wii? Afterall, I'm sure the NX is going to be a hard sell seeing as they abandoned the Wii-U after 3 years.

He tried to console unhappy fans by telling them to "be happy for what we have," urging them that "We've got something so let's experience it."

That's not gonna be Nintendo's new slogan, is it?

Additionally, Moffitt confirmed that Zelda Wii U [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/tag/view/zelda%20wii%20u] was still on target for its 2016 release, and that the delay was to make sure it's the game it's being built up to be. "We want that to be the best Zelda experience. Fans have been waiting for and deserve a game when it's ready, when it's fully featured and when it can live up to what we would like to deliver."

They sure they didn't delay it just to get a Zelda launch game on the NX, similar to Twilight Princess on the Wii? Afterall, I'm sure the NX is going to be a hard sell seeing as they abandoned the Wii-U after 3 years.

Wait, really? How soon did they say they're gonna pop that baby out? Hell, I'm still playing on my PS3 more then my PS4. This really is the Dreamcast all over again. The whole point of a console release schedule is that there's a collective hype for all the consoles. You can't release a new system NOW, in the middle of the cycle.

What are you two even on about? Console life-cycles have been roughly 5 years long since 1985...
The Wii U is 3 years old, and all we have so far are vague rumours of a replacement. (it has a name).

The N64 was first announced as a project in 1993 (project reality), and released in 1996.

The gamecube (aka dolphin) was announced in 1999, released 2001.

The Wii (Nintendo Revolution) was announced in 2004, released in 2006.

The Wii U (project Cafe) was officially announced in 2011, released 2012, making it the system with the least prior warning (1.5 years approx)
It was mentioned to exist in 2010 (to shareholders), but they were very secretive about it.

Seriously, stop coming up with BS scaremongering nonsense about stuff that pretty much follows Nintendo's standard announcement and release schedule for the last 25 years...


(note in the following I'm not paying attention to exact months. This does mean the margin of error is as much as a whole year more or less than this implies. Eg. dec apr 2011 to nov 2012 is over 1.5 years, while september, 2001 is just over 5 years)
Snes 1990
N64 first mentioned 1993, (3 years after SNES), launched a year late, in 1996
Gamecube mentioned 1999 (3 years after N64) launched 2001. (5 years after. roughly. Not counting exact months)
Wii announced 2004 (3 years after Gamecube) launched 2006 (5 years after gamecube)
Wii U (mentioned 2010, announced 2011 - 4-5 years after wii) launched 2012 (6 years after wii)

In fact, the Wii U is in general the odd one out here.

Mentioning the NX (by name, but not by details) round about now fits their pattern since the N64.
we are about 2.5 years in, so it's a tiny bit early, but if they follow their pattern, expect an unveiling of some kinf of prototype in 2016 (typically this has happened either at E3 or the Tokyo games show), with a launch in 2017 (late 2017). Nothing weird going on. No cutting the console cycle short. None of that.

Now, if they launch in 2016, sure. But again, all we have is a name. The even the Wii U, which they had been rather secretive about was shown as a working prototype in April 2011. So there were about 18 months between first showing a working prototype, and actually launching the system.
This is Just business as usual. Unless they show the world a working prototype before about the middle of 2016, the kind of claims you guys are making are just complete and utter paranoid garbage.

This was to be expected, given past tendencies:
Wii U launch: end of 2012,
Successor hinted at, some time in 2015,
Actual working prototype shown middle of 2016,
Launch, late 2017.

That's the expected schedule that anyone that had actually looked into every launch since the N64 would have been able to predict.

Now, do tell me what makes this different hmm?

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

I feel ashamed for the people having a hissy fit over the new metroid. Metroid prime trilogy was and still is brilliant. But this spoilt behaviour is embarrassing. I would rather let the developer try whatever new ideas they have stewing inside, than ***** and moan that they didnt make more of the same tried formula. Ugh, is it safe to use "entitled" yet? For this case?

Well, as long as the gaming community keeps not only tolerating, but actively encouraging this type of behavior it's going to continue. I seriously wonder how Nintendo can tolerate this kind of attitude day-in day-out when in fact any lesser person would have just walked away and told the offenders to go fuck themselves. It's times like these where I think gaming needs a mass pruning to get rid of the more toxic aspects of it.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Now, do tell me what makes this different hmm?

The fact that times have changed and we expect more from our three to four hundred dollar consoles? Especially ones that have barely proven themselves apparently more than halfway through their lifecycle. But hey, maybe Nintendo fans are used to buying a new console every 5 years.

And again, the fact that the Wii-U is selling worse than mud and the latest E3 had nothing for the system except a crummy looking Star Fox game and Mario Maker, it's not too strange people are taking these NX "rumors" as Nintendo quickly and quietly shoving the Wii-U out the door.

 

[Fox12]

He tried to console unhappy fans by telling them to "be happy for what we have," urging them that "We've got something so let's experience it."

That's not gonna be Nintendo's new slogan, is it?

Additionally, Moffitt confirmed that Zelda Wii U [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/tag/view/zelda%20wii%20u] was still on target for its 2016 release, and that the delay was to make sure it's the game it's being built up to be. "We want that to be the best Zelda experience. Fans have been waiting for and deserve a game when it's ready, when it's fully featured and when it can live up to what we would like to deliver."

They sure they didn't delay it just to get a Zelda launch game on the NX, similar to Twilight Princess on the Wii? Afterall, I'm sure the NX is going to be a hard sell seeing as they abandoned the Wii-U after 3 years.

He tried to console unhappy fans by telling them to "be happy for what we have," urging them that "We've got something so let's experience it."

That's not gonna be Nintendo's new slogan, is it?

Additionally, Moffitt confirmed that Zelda Wii U [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/tag/view/zelda%20wii%20u] was still on target for its 2016 release, and that the delay was to make sure it's the game it's being built up to be. "We want that to be the best Zelda experience. Fans have been waiting for and deserve a game when it's ready, when it's fully featured and when it can live up to what we would like to deliver."

They sure they didn't delay it just to get a Zelda launch game on the NX, similar to Twilight Princess on the Wii? Afterall, I'm sure the NX is going to be a hard sell seeing as they abandoned the Wii-U after 3 years.

Wait, really? How soon did they say they're gonna pop that baby out? Hell, I'm still playing on my PS3 more then my PS4. This really is the Dreamcast all over again. The whole point of a console release schedule is that there's a collective hype for all the consoles. You can't release a new system NOW, in the middle of the cycle.

What are you two even on about? Console life-cycles have been roughly 5 years long since 1985...
The Wii U is 3 years old, and all we have so far are vague rumours of a replacement. (it has a name).

The N64 was first announced as a project in 1993 (project reality), and released in 1996.

The gamecube (aka dolphin) was announced in 1999, released 2001.

The Wii (Nintendo Revolution) was announced in 2004, released in 2006.

The Wii U (project Cafe) was officially announced in 2011, released 2012, making it the system with the least prior warning (1.5 years approx)
It was mentioned to exist in 2010 (to shareholders), but they were very secretive about it.

Seriously, stop coming up with BS scaremongering nonsense about stuff that pretty much follows Nintendo's standard announcement and release schedule for the last 25 years...


(note in the following I'm not paying attention to exact months. This does mean the margin of error is as much as a whole year more or less than this implies. Eg. dec apr 2011 to nov 2012 is over 1.5 years, while september, 2001 is just over 5 years)
Snes 1990
N64 first mentioned 1993, (3 years after SNES), launched a year late, in 1996
Gamecube mentioned 1999 (3 years after N64) launched 2001. (5 years after. roughly. Not counting exact months)
Wii announced 2004 (3 years after Gamecube) launched 2006 (5 years after gamecube)
Wii U (mentioned 2010, announced 2011 - 4-5 years after wii) launched 2012 (6 years after wii)

In fact, the Wii U is in general the odd one out here.

Mentioning the NX (by name, but not by details) round about now fits their pattern since the N64.
we are about 2.5 years in, so it's a tiny bit early, but if they follow their pattern, expect an unveiling of some kinf of prototype in 2016 (typically this has happened either at E3 or the Tokyo games show), with a launch in 2017 (late 2017). Nothing weird going on. No cutting the console cycle short. None of that.

Now, if they launch in 2016, sure. But again, all we have is a name. The even the Wii U, which they had been rather secretive about was shown as a working prototype in April 2011. So there were about 18 months between first showing a working prototype, and actually launching the system.
This is Just business as usual. Unless they show the world a working prototype before about the middle of 2016, the kind of claims you guys are making are just complete and utter paranoid garbage.

This was to be expected, given past tendencies:
Wii U launch: end of 2012,
Successor hinted at, some time in 2015,
Actual working prototype shown middle of 2016,
Launch, late 2017.

That's the expected schedule that anyone that had actually looked into every launch since the N64 would have been able to predict.

Now, do tell me what makes this different hmm?

The ps2 was closer to six years old, the ps3 closer to eight. Console life spans have been steadily growing for a while. Heck, the generations still in its infancy. Barely anything has been released on the major consoles so far, and that's not set to change until the holidays.

In any case, I'm not making any claims. I've never even heard of the NX. All I'm saying is that, if the rumors are true, then that bodes quite Ill for Nintendo. Especially if they announce a new system after a petty 3 years. If they maintain a 5 year cycle while the cycles of the PS and Xbone are extended, then it will be crushed.

New consoles have little to offer as it is, and the days of massive graphical leaps every five years are over. It's a well of diminishing returns, and life spans for consoles will increase as a result. This is what happened to Sega, and thy were crucified by the Playstation, Xbox, and GameCube. Nintendo can't afford to fall into the same trap.

Captcha: wake up call

Nintendo needs one.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

"That's the expected schedule that anyone that had actually looked into every launch since the N64 would have been able to predict.

Now, do tell me what makes this different hmm?"

Nothing, though that's not going to stop people from glossing over facts and pattern recognition because as Yahtzee has said before, "An industry that never learns anything." I think if we're to make it START learning we first need to curb this bizarre cult of people who are suspiciously quick to say "fuck you" to history.

 

[FPLOON]

*awaits demo to appear off 3DS e-shop*

Other than that, I can't wait until the 2016 trailer for the Zelda Wii U game...

 

[Valkrex]

After the shit-show that was Other *blech* M you guys have a LOT to answer for. We wanted a proper Metroid game, with the Samus we know and love, on the current generation of consoles. We wanted our favorite space adventuring badass back. Not a spin-off that has nothing to do with her. We wanted something to make up for other M, and we've been waiting VERY patiently for you to at least acknowledge the fan base properly. Instead, you decided to make some spin off, co-op shooter and slap the name Metroid on it, and not even show us how it relates to core Metroid games in the SLIGHTEST.

I don't give a crap about Zelda. Why is that mentioned in the article about METROID? We've had our fair share of Zelda games. We've had TOO MANY Zelda games in my opinion, especially in comparison to Metroid. It seems like a new Zelda game, or remaster, is put out every 6 months, whereas we have to wait YEARS for Metroid installments.

If Federation Force was announced ALONG SIDE a proper Metroid game that we've been waiting for, and that you NEED to wash out the stink that Other M left, then your fans wouldn't be out for blood. This just felt like a slap in the face from a company that didn't acknowledge ANY of our grievances with Other M. It is true, we don't know much about Federation Force, including whether or not it will be good, but we're starved for good Metroid-Vania games these days, and the Metroid games (aside from Other M, which if you haven't declared non-canon by now you really should because none of us think it is) have always been spectacular and fill a niche that doesn't get a lot of attention these days.

Its been nearly 10 YEARS. NEARLY A DECADE SINCE METROID PRIME 3, THE LAST PROPER METROID GAME. Other M, wasn't a game, it was congealed failure. All we want is a return to the quality we used to get.

Also, I'm sorry but people (me included) don't like federation force, it looks like a generic co-op shooter that you threw together and then slapped a franchise name on it, now stop trying to whitewash it and quit trying to dictate what we think, I am sick of you saying "Just trust us" no, you don't deserve that trust anymore, you messed up the Wii U's launch, hard, and now you are in talks about scrapping a console that tons of your hardcore fans bought at launch despite everything wrong with it?

And also all of this. I've lost my trust in Nintendo when it comes to this series.

 

[Nazulu]

I can't quote all the others that explained to me without phone having an existential breakdown, but yeah, I should have specified I was talking about the petitioners.

Nice backpedaling

Well, as long as the gaming community keeps not only tolerating, but actively encouraging this type of behavior it's going to continue. I seriously wonder how Nintendo can tolerate this kind of attitude day-in day-out when in fact any lesser person would have just walked away and told the offenders to go fuck themselves. It's times like these where I think gaming needs a mass pruning to get rid of the more toxic aspects of it.

Good luck with that. Not only does none of your arguments hold any weight to diminish the anger, treating customers like the problem has proven to have a complete opposite effect.

It's actually us disappointed lot that's mentioned the alternatives to avoid this, while you would rather create more aggression. Just remember, these developers could have easily avoided this. They predicted it themselves.

"That's the expected schedule that anyone that had actually looked into every launch since the N64 would have been able to predict.

Now, do tell me what makes this different hmm?"

Nothing, though that's not going to stop people from glossing over facts and pattern recognition because as Yahtzee has said before, "An industry that never learns anything." I think if we're to make it START learning we first need to curb this bizarre cult of people who are suspiciously quick to say "fuck you" to history.

Another extremely poor argument. As it's already been pointed out, other developers have actually extended the life-cycles of their consoles over time, and I believe that's something everyone wants instead of having to buy another $400 to $500 gizmo to access the latest games.

 

[JUMBO PALACE]

I bought a Wii U when Smash Bros came out and played a little bit of that, some Mario Kart, and a little Super Mario 3D world. Not it's just a big dust collector. Doesn't seem like I'm missing much to be honest. After the Wii and convincing myself to give Nintendo another shot I think I'm finally done with their consoles.

 

[Travis Fischer]

Ummmmm, duh? Who the hell else would it be up to?



Edit: Also, when capturing screenshots off of YouTube, turn the annotations off.

 

[ThatOtherGirl]

I can understand the "be happy for what we have" line. Metroid has never been a strong franchise for Nintendo (in terms of profit margin) and Metroid Other M in particular bombed hard critically and was disappointing commercially. My guess is that there was a lot of internal resistance to creating another Metroid, and Federation Force is all they could get through for the time being.

I don't know. We might be seeing the death of Metroid. It was not worth creating in its old form, and fans are extremely toxic to new ideas being injected into the series.